Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[Dark Faze]

guys we aren't ever gonna win with brad

we have to start from scratch, trade him

[SUPERBALLMAN]

guys we aren't ever gonna win with brad

we have to start from scratch, trade him

I don't see any path out of this mess. The plan WAS building the team around Wall, Beal, and Porter. Beal is the only one still here, and it's falling completely apart. Kind of like when we had Webber, Howard and Sheed, then all we had was Howard...


At this point , I think it's time to blow it up. Get whatever you can get for Beal, as well as Westbrook & Bertans.

[trast66]

guys we aren't ever gonna win with brad

we have to start from scratch, trade him

I don't see any path out of this mess. The plan WAS building the team around Wall, Beal, and Porter. Beal is the only one still here, and it's falling completely apart. Kind of like when we had Webber, Howard and Sheed, then all we had was Howard...


At this point , I think it's time to blow it up. Get whatever you can get for Beal, as well as Westbrook & Bertans.

We would be the ones giving in any trade of Westbrook or Bertans. They have negative value contracts.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

guys we aren't ever gonna win with brad

we have to start from scratch, trade him

I don't see any path out of this mess. The plan WAS building the team around Wall, Beal, and Porter. Beal is the only one still here, and it's falling completely apart. Kind of like when we had Webber, Howard and Sheed, then all we had was Howard...


At this point , I think it's time to blow it up. Get whatever you can get for Beal, as well as Westbrook & Bertans.

We would be the ones giving in any trade of Westbrook or Bertans. They have negative value contracts.

This team is screwed. And it's fans are totally screwed.

Getting out of this mess is going to take years.

[gambitx777]

That's incredibly inaccurate. We just gave a protected first that likely to not convey for russ. And he's playing ok. I think he has nurtral value depending on what comes back and depending on what you move him for. The pistons just traded rose, maybe you can work something for him for blake. And do some slick **** with moving blake for an expiring or something. It be hard but he's not as unmovable as you think.

Also the complete myth about davis being a negative value contract is silly. Dudes a great 3 shooter who's in a slump dude been on covid protocols twice he came in out of shape with no camp give the dude some time. He's still valuable to a contender and his contract isn't anywhere near as bad as what we saw rayan anderson get. It's tradable for sure.

guys we aren't ever gonna win with brad

we have to start from scratch, trade him

I don't see any path out of this mess. The plan WAS building the team around Wall, Beal, and Porter. Beal is the only one still here, and it's falling completely apart. Kind of like when we had Webber, Howard and Sheed, then all we had was Howard...


At this point , I think it's time to blow it up. Get whatever you can get for Beal, as well as Westbrook & Bertans.

We would be the ones giving in any trade of Westbrook or Bertans. They have negative value contracts.

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[TGW]

On the trade board, Westbrook was voted as the worst contract in the league. I think that's closer to reality than him having neutral value. He's 32 years old, paid over $40 million a year, and isn't close to being worth it. By definition, that would be negative value.

[nate33]

Fire Brooks before trading anyone. At least that way, Brooks' awful coaching won't drag down the trade value of Bertans/Beal/Westbrook.

[gambitx777]

I don't buy that, kind of like max Kellerman going off that carson wentz has negative trade value. I don't buy it he's worth something to someone. Just like russ I think the thunder or pistons could really benefit from him. Thunder with their situation and history and pistons with getting griffon off the books and getting a player who isn't tottaly shot.

On the trade board, Westbrook was voted as the worst contract in the league. I think that's closer to reality than him having neutral value. He's 32 years old, paid over $40 million a year, and isn't close to being worth it. By definition, that would be negative value.

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[Ruzious]

Fire Brooks before trading anyone. At least that way, Brooks' awful coaching won't drag down the trade value of Bertans/Beal/Westbrook.

I expect that to happen soon. The wheels have gone off the wagon.

[Dat2U]

I don't buy that, kind of like max Kellerman going off that carson wentz has negative trade value. I don't buy it he's worth something to someone. Just like russ I think the thunder or pistons could really benefit from him. Thunder with their situation and history and pistons with getting griffon off the books and getting a player who isn't tottaly shot.

On the trade board, Westbrook was voted as the worst contract in the league. I think that's closer to reality than him having neutral value. He's 32 years old, paid over $40 million a year, and isn't close to being worth it. By definition, that would be negative value.

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Bringing up Wentz doesn't make any sense at all. Wentz isn't 32 or well past his physical prime. Im not sure what you've seen to suggest Westbrook is not totally washed but let's assume the rest of the league has access to the games too. The Thunder & Pistons are rebuilding and playing young guys. Where does Russ fit in there? He can't run an offense. He just dominates the rock. Our young guys are just standbys when on the floor with him. You think any team is just anxious to take that on?

Anyone can be traded but that cost would be so prohibitive now that it would be foolish to do so. At this point he looks like a tank commander more than anything else.

[nate33]

A priority right now should be to get Bertans back on track so we can dump him. It is clear that we are not anywhere near contention and we do not need a high-priced veteran "ceiling raiser" type of player at the moment.

I'd love to somehow trade him for Mo Bamba, but the pieces don't work at the moment. At best, we can trade him to Boston for their TPE and hopefully a 2nd round pick and maybe send that 2nd round pick to Orlando for Bamba. None of this will happen until Bertans gets his 3P% back north of 40.

[NatP4]

I don't see any path out of this mess. The plan WAS building the team around Wall, Beal, and Porter. Beal is the only one still here, and it's falling completely apart. Kind of like when we had Webber, Howard and Sheed, then all we had was Howard...


At this point , I think it's time to blow it up. Get whatever you can get for Beal, as well as Westbrook & Bertans.

We would be the ones giving in any trade of Westbrook or Bertans. They have negative value contracts.

This team is screwed. And it's fans are totally screwed.

Getting out of this mess is going to take years.

They can’t escape the 40 million in dead cap, but they will be fine. That contract is only untradeable for another year or so. There is a handful of solid young players on the roster, a top 5 pick coming up, and whatever you get from the Beal bidding war.

But then again, it’s the wizards. They probably keep Beal, miss on Masai this summer, finish with a 5-10 ranked pick, draft Zhaire Williams, hire Mark Jackson, and continue the cycle.

I just vomited after typing that out

[nate33]

But then again, it’s the wizards. They probably keep Beal, miss on Masai this summer, finish with a 5-10 ranked pick, draft Zhaire Williams, hire Mark Jackson, and continue the cycle.

[queridiculo]

But then again, it’s the wizards. They probably keep Beal, miss on Masai this summer, finish with a 5-10 ranked pick, draft Zhaire Williams, hire Mark Jackson, and continue the cycle.

Mark Jackson would be such a Wizards hire.

I think that might just make me quit the NBA altogether.

[Frichuela]

We would be the ones giving in any trade of Westbrook or Bertans. They have negative value contracts.

This team is screwed. And it's fans are totally screwed.

Getting out of this mess is going to take years.

They can’t escape the 40 million in dead cap, but they will be fine. That contract is only untradeable for another year or so. There is a handful of solid young players on the roster, a top 5 pick coming up, and whatever you get from the Beal bidding war.

But then again, it’s the wizards. They probably keep Beal, miss on Masai this summer, finish with a 5-10 ranked pick, draft Zhaire Williams, hire Mark Jackson, and continue the cycle.

I just vomited after typing that out

Very true Nat and depressing at the same time...

The course of les Boulez

[pcbothwel]

We would be the ones giving in any trade of Westbrook or Bertans. They have negative value contracts.

This team is screwed. And it's fans are totally screwed.

Getting out of this mess is going to take years.

They can’t escape the 40 million in dead cap, but they will be fine. That contract is only untradeable for another year or so. There is a handful of solid young players on the roster, a top 5 pick coming up, and whatever you get from the Beal bidding war.

But then again, it’s the wizards. They probably keep Beal, miss on Masai this summer, finish with a 5-10 ranked pick, draft Zhaire Williams, hire Mark Jackson, and continue the cycle.

I just vomited after typing that out

Nat... Ill say this. I did an exercise by which we attempt to move off Russ and Bertans in the next 12-18 months in order to get a max spot for 2022 to sign another star with Beal.
Not impressed.
After a 33 y/o Harden & Butler and 34 y/o Curry & Durant that all stay where they are... its CP# @ 37, Kemba, 32 y/o Jrue, A washed Blake Griffin, Gary Harris, Julius Randle, Aaron Gordon, Zach Lavine, Terry Rozier, etc.

I was hoping for some grand plan with some real FA talent open to coming here, but nothing really.

[Benjammin]

Very true Nat and depressing at the same time...

The course of les Boulez [/quote]



Not only the course but also the curse of les Boulez.



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[Ruzious]

But then again, it’s the wizards. They probably keep Beal, miss on Masai this summer, finish with a 5-10 ranked pick, draft Zhaire Williams, hire Mark Jackson, and continue the cycle.

Mark Jackson would be such a Wizards hire.

I think that might just make me quit the NBA altogether.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

guys we aren't ever gonna win with brad

we have to start from scratch, trade him

I don't see any path out of this mess. The plan WAS building the team around Wall, Beal, and Porter. Beal is the only one still here, and it's falling completely apart. Kind of like when we had Webber, Howard and Sheed, then all we had was Howard...


At this point , I think it's time to blow it up. Get whatever you can get for Beal, as well as Westbrook & Bertans.

In trying to find a path out of the mess I have done a little research as to the nature of the mess.

The Wizards are 3-3 in games without Westbrook.
The Wizards are 2-12 in games Westbrook played.

-The Wizards are 5-7 when Beal had 4 or more assists.
They are 0-7 in games when Beal had less than 4 assists.

-They are 4-4 in games when Beal had 2 or less turnovers.
They are 1-11 when Beal had 3 or more turnovers.

-When Beal had 20-25 FGAs the Wizards are 5-5.
Beal w 26+ FGAs the Wizards are 0-7; BB w <20 FGAs 0-2

The Wizards have two double-digit winning margins. Both games the starting guards were Beal and Neto.

What if anything can we derive from these observations? I’m no Kevin Broom. I don’t know what’s causation from what is coincidence. I think the above points out the obvious: Russ has been a very bad fit.

I wish they could amnesty or buy out Westbrook.

Could you imagine Beal playing alongside Chris Paul or Steph Curry???

If there were some kind of way to turn Westbrook into the contracts of Kemba Walker and Al Horford that would fix this team overnight.

[Dark Faze]

The least painful Westbrook trade I could possibly see would be something like this:

Westbrook + Hachimura for Ariza and Al Horford.

The only question here is whether they like Hachimura enough to deal with the fit issues Russ brings to the table. The answer is probably not.

But going through such desperate lengths to sniff the 8th seed would be silly. Personally, I just don't care to watch Brad play here anymore because he's such a crutch for our young developing players. I want to see Brown Jr, Deni, and Rui forced into creating their own shots and developing their skills. I'm over the Brad show.