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Post#181 » by Benjammin » Wed Aug 4, 2021 10:40 pm

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djsunyc wrote:so the wizards top 11 right now:

dinwiddie, beal, riu, kcp, kuzma, harrell, holiday, bryant, bertans, avdija, kispert

Gafford also. I don't think I've ever seen a Wiz roster this deep. Assuming everyone stays Unseld has his work cut out for him (in a good way).


so with dinwiddie's injury history, a quality backup pg is needed. so i can see another deal happening.


They probably consider Aaron Holiday to be that player. But they need a third point guard, absolutely. And they only have two guys to play at the 2, Beal and KCP.
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#182 » by SA37 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 10:44 pm

nate33 wrote:In hindsight, that Aaron Holiday acquisition is looking pretty bad. If we refrained from doing it, we would have had a TPE large enough to absorb all of Dinwiddie's salary, and thereby save whatever 2nd round pick we just sent to San Antonio.

So basically, Aaron Holiday, with just 1-year remaining on his contract, cost us Hutchison, 9 slots in the draft (from 22 to 31), and a future 2nd round pick.


Depends how much you value Holiday. He is a really good defender.
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#183 » by keynote » Wed Aug 4, 2021 10:49 pm

One thought: what if the draft day trade for Todd was done in part because Indy was below the cap -- thereby giving us the flexibility to include them in a bigger deal down the road?
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#184 » by smoothSeph » Wed Aug 4, 2021 10:53 pm

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smoothSeph wrote:Gafford also. I don't think I've ever seen a Wiz roster this deep. Assuming everyone stays Unseld has his work cut out for him (in a good way).


so with dinwiddie's injury history, a quality backup pg is needed. so i can see another deal happening.


They probably consider Aaron Holiday to be that player. But they need a third point guard, absolutely. And they only have two guys to play at the 2, Beal and KCP.

Could bring back Neto for the minimum. I don't think he's signed yet or opted to go back overseas.
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#185 » by Kanyewest » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:01 pm

Looks like the 2nd rounders that were originally going to the Lakers in a sign and trade are now going to the Nets.
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Post#186 » by Shoe » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:06 pm

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Post#187 » by nate33 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:14 pm

J-Ves wrote:So just to clarify no first round picks were involved in this trade?

Correct. Unless you count our trade down from #22 to #31 to get Holiday
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#188 » by nate33 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:15 pm

nate33 wrote:I wonder what pick we are sending to Indy. Our 2022 pick is pretty valuable as it's from Detroit. Our 2023 pick is from Chicago, so probably in the low 40's.

It looks like we sent San Antonio that Detroit pick. Ugh. That was a nice one.
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Post#189 » by WallToWall » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:17 pm

Dat2U wrote:So right now its:

G Dinwiddie ... Holiday ... (Winston)
G Beal ... Caldwell-Pope ... (Mathews)
F Avdija ... Kispert
F Hachimura ... Kuzma ... Bertans ... Todd
C Gafford ... Harrell ... Bryant

Harrell would fill a need short term with Bryant possibly not ready to start the season.

The Kuzma/Bertans situation will probably be resolved soon.

I don’t think we have a logjam at F.
Bertans, Kuzma and (for right now) Kispert are one dimensional players. They can make the 3 pointer and give reasonable D. That leaves Hachimura, and Avdija as F who are not one dimensional. If anything, we need a better F on the roster.
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Post#190 » by NatP4 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:23 pm

From doing some more research on Aaron Holiday, I actually think that might have been a brilliant trade. The advanced metrics from his first couple of seasons are really good, like elite level good. He seems like a serious breakout candidate. I think we are in a great spot at PG with Dinwiddie and Holiday, and Winston is a solid 3rd option who was really good in the G-league last year.

I think this could be a 50 win team, honestly. Dinwiddie, Beal, Gafford and competent coach is a great core.
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Post#191 » by payitforward » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:25 pm

nate33 wrote:I wonder what pick we are sending to Indy. Our 2022 pick is pretty valuable as it's from Detroit. Our 2023 pick is from Chicago, so probably in the low 40's.

2022 R2 pick to SA, no...?

Oh well, it'll all be clear at some point!

I hate losing R2 picks (you're not surprised).
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#192 » by jangles86 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:46 pm

What exactly is the Westbrook dinwiddle trade?

Whose going where?
Is Hutchison and a wishing future 1st now involved?
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Post#193 » by CobraCommander » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:55 pm

Dat2U wrote:So right now its:

G Dinwiddie ... Holiday ... (Winston)
G Beal ... Caldwell-Pope ... (Mathews)
F Avdija ... Kispert
F Hachimura ... Kuzma ... Bertans ... Todd
C Gafford ... Harrell ... Bryant

Harrell would fill a need short term with Bryant possibly not ready to start the season.

The Kuzma/Bertans situation will probably be resolved soon.



Neto has to fit there somewhere- dude can flat out play ball- he stays right?

I see Bertans playing with Kuz and Rui when we go ultra small...right
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Post#194 » by CobraCommander » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:57 pm

Wow a wizards roster with actual depth
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Post#195 » by nate33 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:59 pm

NatP4 wrote:From doing some more research on Aaron Holiday, I actually think that might have been a brilliant trade. The advanced metrics from his first couple of seasons are really good, like elite level good. He seems like a serious breakout candidate. I think we are in a great spot at PG with Dinwiddie and Holiday, and Winston is a solid 3rd option who was really good in the G-league last year.

I think this could be a 50 win team, honestly. Dinwiddie, Beal, Gafford and competent coach is a great core.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Holiday too. I'm just saying that the effective cost for him is quite a bit more than it originally looked. And even if he turns out to be really good, we will still have to pay full market value for him next summer.
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#196 » by penbeast0 » Thu Aug 5, 2021 12:13 am

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They probably consider Aaron Holiday to be that player. But they need a third point guard, absolutely. And they only have two guys to play at the 2, Beal and KCP.


Mathews and Kispert possibly also though footspeed could be a problem.
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Post#197 » by Benjammin » Thu Aug 5, 2021 12:24 am

I think Kispert will struggle covering some 3s, so I definitely don't want him covering 2s.
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Post#198 » by 80sballboy » Thu Aug 5, 2021 12:26 am

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Post#199 » by AFM » Thu Aug 5, 2021 12:35 am

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nate33 wrote:I wonder what pick we are sending to Indy. Our 2022 pick is pretty valuable as it's from Detroit. Our 2023 pick is from Chicago, so probably in the low 40's.

2022 R2 pick to SA, no...?

Oh well, it'll all be clear at some point!

I hate losing R2 picks (you're not surprised).


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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#200 » by 80sballboy » Thu Aug 5, 2021 12:41 am

https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/2021-nba-free-agency-live-updates-news-analysis-trades/Sv5IIlL9fSee

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Shams Charania: Free agent Spencer Dinwiddie is headed to the Washington Wizards on a three-year, $62 million contract via sign-and-trade, sources tell The Athletic. The Wizards are sending a second-round pick and a draft swap to Brooklyn to acquire Dinwiddie, sources said. The Wizards are sending Chandler Hutchison and a second-round pick to San Antonio, sources say.

Alex Schiffer: The Nets didn’t give up Spencer Dinwiddie for nothing. They get back a 2024 second-round pick and a pick swap the following year. Oh, and a $11.5 million trade exception. Given the attrition the Nets dealt with this past season and the newly stacked Eastern Conference, this isn’t a bad asset to have in your back pocket if Brooklyn feels it’s a piece away from a title at next year’s trade deadline.

Fred Katz: A five-team trade. My head hurts. Here are the details (that we know thus far):

Wizards receive:

Spencer Dinwiddie

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

Montrezl Harrell

Kyle Kuzma

Aaron Holiday

No. 31 pick Isaiah Todd

Nets receive:

Most favorable of MEM/WAS 2024 second-rounder

Second-round 2025 GSW/WAS pick swap

$11.5 million trade exception

Spurs receive:

Chandler Hutchison

Most favorable of CHI/LAL/DET 2022 second-rounder

Lakers receive:

Russell Westbrook

Least favorable of WAS/MEM 2024 second-rounder

WAS 2028 second-rounder

Pacers receive:

No. 22 pick Isaiah Jackson

David Aldridge: Bottom line for the Wizards: Holding fast and not including Kyle Kuzma in this trade – as everyone around the league believed was inevitable – along with not having to surrender another first-rounder or one of their young players in which they hold the most hope, like Deni Avdija or Rui Hachimura or Daniel Gafford, is incredibly good work by GM Tommy Sheppard and the front office.

Most importantly, Washington got its guy in Dinwiddie, signed him to a big but not insane number (his average of $20 million for three years puts him somewhere around the middle of the pack of current point guard salaries league-wide) and flipped the huge contracts of John Wall and Russell Westbrook into multiple solid rotation players within the last 10 months.

It still feels like there’s another roster shoe to drop before next season. Dinwiddie, Bradley Beal, Hachimura and Gafford are likely starters, but will the fifth starter be Caldwell-Pope or Kuzma? The bench currently would have one of either KCP/Kuz along with Dāvis Bertāns, Avdija, Montrezl Harrell and first-rounder Corey Kispert (with center Thomas Bryant not likely to start the season on time as he continues to rehab an ACL tear). That feels forward-heavy, doesn’t it?

Having tradeable, solid players who could be flipped the other way? That’s a brand-new good problem for the Wizards.

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