Official Trade Thread - Part XXVIII

[miller31time]

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I don't know what's funnier. The fact that Cole's asking price is higher than a ham sandwich or the fact that we're pursuing him.

Ernie gonna Ernie.

[Ruzious]

One thing they need to do is make excellent use of their 2015 1st rounder - and NOT use it to trade for someone who likely won't be here for the 2016/2017 season.

[nate33]

I think we can overcome the organization if the roster is great in the moment, but right now the entire bench is basically just vets that will be done by the time KD is available, Nene will be gone , and Gortat looks as average as a scoop of vanilla ice cream.

Look, I'm not saying the dream is dead, but KD is the type of guy you really need to scratch and claw to get. You have to do everything you can to get better, even if it means trading a "core piece". You can't just sit in a bad conference, take a first round L and hope the fact that your his home town is enough for him to make a life changing decision in your favor.

So your solution is to trade future assets, the very assets Durant would need alongside him, so that we look better the year before Durant gets here?

[Zonkerbl]

The Wizards will remain in that position I wrote about some time ago -- they're still challenged when it comes to ADDING to what they have. This offseason, they REPLACED Ariza with Pierce and Booker with Humphries. They're a little better this year than last, primarily because Wall has been more productive.

When 2016 comes, they'll be looking to replace at minimum two key players: Nenê and Pierce. Perhaps the Pierce replacement is already on the roster (Porter). Perhaps Durant is the replacement for Nenê -- sorta. Sign Durant, and they're basically capped out, which is probably fine because Wall-Beal-Porter-Durant-Gortat is a formidable group (at least on paper, assuming Gortat doesn't have a significant age-related drop-off).

So, Durant (or any free agent) would really be putting considerable faith in Grunfeld to assemble a championship-level roster. Maybe that happens, but I think a savvy agent whose client wanted to win a title might steer him elsewhere.

Why are we assuming KD will play the 4? Does that make sense? Would KD be happy about it?

[TheSecretWeapon]

The Wizards will remain in that position I wrote about some time ago -- they're still challenged when it comes to ADDING to what they have. This offseason, they REPLACED Ariza with Pierce and Booker with Humphries. They're a little better this year than last, primarily because Wall has been more productive.

When 2016 comes, they'll be looking to replace at minimum two key players: Nenê and Pierce. Perhaps the Pierce replacement is already on the roster (Porter). Perhaps Durant is the replacement for Nenê -- sorta. Sign Durant, and they're basically capped out, which is probably fine because Wall-Beal-Porter-Durant-Gortat is a formidable group (at least on paper, assuming Gortat doesn't have a significant age-related drop-off).

So, Durant (or any free agent) would really be putting considerable faith in Grunfeld to assemble a championship-level roster. Maybe that happens, but I think a savvy agent whose client wanted to win a title might steer him elsewhere.

Why are we assuming KD will play the 4? Does that make sense? Would KD be happy about it?

This is a good point. I wasn't over-worried about exact lineups. Maybe Porter -- if he develops -- could be swapped for a comparably productive PF type to clear lineup room for Durant.

[Dark Faze]

So your solution is to trade future assets, the very assets Durant would need alongside him, so that we look better the year before Durant gets here?

My point is to wheel and deal so you have as many young, quality controllable assets as possible.

You can move your 2016 pick for a guy like IT who is going to be completely underpaid given his value once the cap rises. IT is a young core piece that you've got control over.

I think there are centers who can do as good a job as Gortat defensively. Not as well offensively, but you aren't in a position where you can count on his offense anyway, so I'd try to move him for a number of things. You can get a guy like Dakari Johnson to come in and develop into his replacement with this years pick (that I want to keep).

Maybe I move Paul Pierce for a piece with upside for a contending team that wants him. I try to move Seraphin for whatever I can possibly get, because we can't afford to pay him even if he suddenly learns how to play basketball.

There's ways to get better both in the future and now.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

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I don't know what's funnier. The fact that Cole's asking price is higher than a ham sandwich or the fact that we're pursuing him.

Ernie gonna Ernie.

Shoot me now if this happens...

[jivelikenice]

I think we can overcome the organization if the roster is great in the moment, but right now the entire bench is basically just vets that will be done by the time KD is available, Nene will be gone , and Gortat looks as average as a scoop of vanilla ice cream.

Look, I'm not saying the dream is dead, but KD is the type of guy you really need to scratch and claw to get. You have to do everything you can to get better, even if it means trading a "core piece". You can't just sit in a bad conference, take a first round L and hope the fact that your his home town is enough for him to make a life changing decision in your favor.

So your solution is to trade future assets, the very assets Durant would need alongside him, so that we look better the year before Durant gets here?

KD isn't going to be swayed by playing with the 20th pick of the '15 draft.

[Ruzious]

I think we can overcome the organization if the roster is great in the moment, but right now the entire bench is basically just vets that will be done by the time KD is available, Nene will be gone , and Gortat looks as average as a scoop of vanilla ice cream.

Look, I'm not saying the dream is dead, but KD is the type of guy you really need to scratch and claw to get. You have to do everything you can to get better, even if it means trading a "core piece". You can't just sit in a bad conference, take a first round L and hope the fact that your his home town is enough for him to make a life changing decision in your favor.

So your solution is to trade future assets, the very assets Durant would need alongside him, so that we look better the year before Durant gets here?

KD isn't going to be swayed by playing with the 20th pick of the '15 draft.

The sure way to sway him is to sway him negatively by wasting the pick. If he comes here, it's not for 1 year. It's for the future as much - if not more - than the present.

Btw, I think Dakari Johnson would not be an adequate pick. He can become a decent NBA backup, but that's probably it. This draft is a really good one, imo.

[nate33]

I think we can overcome the organization if the roster is great in the moment, but right now the entire bench is basically just vets that will be done by the time KD is available, Nene will be gone , and Gortat looks as average as a scoop of vanilla ice cream.

Look, I'm not saying the dream is dead, but KD is the type of guy you really need to scratch and claw to get. You have to do everything you can to get better, even if it means trading a "core piece". You can't just sit in a bad conference, take a first round L and hope the fact that your his home town is enough for him to make a life changing decision in your favor.

So your solution is to trade future assets, the very assets Durant would need alongside him, so that we look better the year before Durant gets here?

KD isn't going to be swayed by playing with the 20th pick of the '15 draft.

We don't know that. That 20th pick will have had a full year of rookie seasoning, enough time to get a good handle on whether or not he is likely to be a key contributor in the future. It only took a year to realize that Steven Adams (#12), Kelly Olynyk (#13), Giannas Antetokounmpo (#15), Gorgui Dieng (#21) and Mason Plumlee (#22) all looked like promising future players. And that's just from the 2013 class. From the 2012 class, we knew within a year that John Henson (#14), Tyler Zeller (#17), Terrence Jones (#18), Jared Sullinger (#21), Draymond Green (#35), and Khris Middleton (#39) looked like promising future NBA contributors.

Who's to say we don't draft the next Giannas Antetokounmpo or Draymond Green with our pick? If we do, I'll bet Kevin Durant would consider it an incentive to join the team.

I'm not opposed to any trades that make us better, but they have to make us better in the long term. We can't trade any post 2016 assets (including cap room) for players that will only help us pre-2016. That's why I keep rejecting ideas like trading for Kanter or Jeff Green.

[80sballboy]

Now they are shifting from Jameer Nelson to Ramon Sessions according to Dave Aldridge on Twitter.

[teerfour+40LG]

Now they are shifting from Jameer Nelson to Ramon Sessions according to Dave Aldridge on Twitter.

Kings fan here,

You guys can have Ramon Sessions for any expiring contract you've got. Give us your worst player. We don't care! Sessions just has 1 year left at $2 million on his deal.

How do you guys feel about Garrett Temple?

[Dark Faze]

Ramon Sessions numbers on the season in combination with turning 29 in April and being a career journeyman:

.35% FG , .21% 3PFG, .73% FT

ernie

pls don't

pls

[teerfour+40LG]

Ramon Sessions numbers on the season in combination with turning 29 in April and being a career journeyman:

.35% FG , .21% 3PFG, .73% FT

ernie

pls don't

pls

BUT HE GETS TO THE FREE THROW LINE A LOT.

[AFM]

So your solution is to trade future assets, the very assets Durant would need alongside him, so that we look better the year before Durant gets here?

KD isn't going to be swayed by playing with the 20th pick of the '15 draft.

We don't know that. That 20th pick will have had a full year of rookie seasoning, enough time to get a good handle on whether or not he is likely to be a key contributor in the future. It only took a year to realize that Steven Adams (#12), Kelly Olynyk (#13), Giannas Antetokounmpo (#15), Gorgui Dieng (#21) and Mason Plumlee (#22) all looked like promising future players. And that's just from the 2013 class. From the 2012 class, we knew within a year that John Henson (#14), Tyler Zeller (#17), Terrence Jones (#18), Jared Sullinger (#21), Draymond Green (#35), and Khris Middleton (#39) looked like promising future NBA contributors.

Who's to say we don't draft the next Giannas Antetokounmpo or Draymond Green with our pick? If we do, I'll bet Kevin Durant would consider it an incentive to join the team.

I'm not opposed to any trades that make us better, but they have to make us better in the long term. We can't trade any post 2016 assets (including cap room) for players that will only help us pre-2016. That's why I keep rejecting ideas like trading for Kanter or Jeff Green.

Grunny says
Hes gonna draft Vesely again

[AFM]

Ramon Sessions numbers on the season in combination with turning 29 in April and being a career journeyman:

.35% FG , .21% 3PFG, .73% FT

ernie

pls don't

pls

wow that's terrible.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Now they are shifting from Jameer Nelson to Ramon Sessions according to Dave Aldridge on Twitter.

Kings fan here,

You guys can have Ramon Sessions for any expiring contract you've got. Give us your worst player. We don't care! Sessions just has 1 year left at $2 million on his deal.

How do you guys feel about Garrett Temple?

I'd rather have Garrett Temple on the Wizards than Ramon Sessions.

[nate33]

Now they are shifting from Jameer Nelson to Ramon Sessions according to Dave Aldridge on Twitter.

Kings fan here,

You guys can have Ramon Sessions for any expiring contract you've got. Give us your worst player. We don't care! Sessions just has 1 year left at $2 million on his deal.

How do you guys feel about Garrett Temple?

Not exactly a ringing endorsement. His PER this year is just 8.2, though it was 16.0 and 17.7 in the last 2 years respectively. And he's only 28. Maybe it's a coaching/system issue over there.

He might be a good idea if he can be obtained at no expense. I'd rather not give up Temple though. Drew Gooden or Dejuan Blair probably makes more sense. Better yet, we send you Andre Miller, but it's hard to make the salary work out.

[fishercob]

Now they are shifting from Jameer Nelson to Ramon Sessions according to Dave Aldridge on Twitter.

Kings fan here,

You guys can have Ramon Sessions for any expiring contract you've got. Give us your worst player. We don't care! Sessions just has 1 year left at $2 million on his deal.

How do you guys feel about Garrett Temple?

Not exactly a ringing endorsement. His PER this year is just 8.2, though it was 16.0 and 17.7 in the last 2 years respectively. And he's only 28. Maybe it's a coaching/system issue over there.

He might be a good idea if he can be obtained at no expense. I'd rather not give up Temple though. Drew Gooden or Dejuan Blair probably makes more sense. Better yet, we send you Andre Miller, but it's hard to make the salary work out.

Sessions' numbers this year are terrible. But, I'd want to understand why before dismissing the opportunity to pick him up -- particularly if the price is cheap.

He's only 29 and his entire career he has been a solid performer. All else equal I'd much rather have him than a Jameer Nelson (who is completely done) or Norris Cole (who was never any good in the first place).

The downside with Sessions is that he's really not such a good fit alongside Wall and therefore is really only a a backup PG. But the guy shot a respectable 36% clip from 3 last year. That guy -- the one who had an ORtg of 118 and a WS/48 of .121 -- is one I wouldnt mind having on the Wizards.

[teerfour+40LG]

Not exactly a ringing endorsement. His PER this year is just 8.2, though it was 16.0 and 17.7 in the last 2 years respectively. And he's only 28. Maybe it's a coaching/system issue over there.

He might be a good idea if he can be obtained at no expense. I'd rather not give up Temple though. Drew Gooden or Dejuan Blair probably makes more sense. Better yet, we send you Andre Miller, but it's hard to make the salary work out.

DONE! The Kings have a TPE just big enough to take Andre Miller's contract, but we're down for Dejuan Blair as well!

As for Ramon Sessions' problems, we just don't have enough spacing or passing for him to operate efficiently.