Political Roundtable Part XVI

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Reminds me of Pelosi's quote on the ACA

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Reminds me of Pelosi's quote on the ACA

It's funny you mention that quote because it was completely taken out of context. Not to mention it the ACA wasn't rushed through Congress, had many committees, followed normal Senate rules etc. It was the exact opposite of this tax bill in every way.

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Reminds me of Pelosi's quote on the ACA

It's funny you mention that quote because it was completely taken out of context. Not to mention it the ACA wasn't rushed through Congress, had many committees, followed normal Senate rules etc. It was the exact opposite of this tax bill in every way.

Yep. Definitely taken out of context

In some ways its similiar to Hillary's "deplorable" statement.

When you read the entire speech it actually fits.

[Pointgod]

That's two different subjects. If you want to argue that Trump fired Comey because he considered the investigation a major distraction to his presidency, and maybe even a threat to impeachment, that's fine. That's unrelated to Trump joking that Putin should release the emails he hacked. If Trump really was working secretly with Putin, he wouldn't broadcast it.

I think you've got this 100% wrong.

Here's how Trump would've handled the Russia controversy: The day after the election Trump would have stood up and said "I'd like to thank Russia for helping me beat that vile biyatch Hillary Clinton, because f@#$ Democracy - oops, I mean the Democrats - and the MSM!" And all of his followers would've lapped it up, it would've lasted a newscycle or two until Trump tweeted something else distracting and that would've been the end of it.

No, what happened is his staff were involved in a hushed up conspiracy with Russia but it was pretty low level, Russia was spending maybe a million dollars on it, tops, and low level functionaries were handling it, with some coordination from Mike Flynn. They happened to mention it in passing to Trump and he immediately blurted it out on national TV like a drunken Uncle, "HEY RUSSIANS WHY DON'T YOU *belch* HACK HILLARY'S EMAILS, lol"

Terrified that he would blurt out the whole thing, his staff quietly tamped down on the whole effort. So it was THE ONE controversy where Trump didn't know 100% about it. He didn't go "Let me handle this, dumdums - I'll just double down on it, admit right out that I did it, the MSM will go **** and my followers will eat it up and my polls will go up, watch"

I think Trump is innocent precisely because he did not immediately cop to it. "Haha, suckers, if you were as good a dealmaker as me you could've gotten my golden shower emails and instead the joke's on you!"

The problem is, Trump is the boss and is ultimately responsible for what his staff does, so even though this is a result of massive incompetence on his staff's part, and not something he orchestrated personally (his own personal style of incompetence has a different flavor) I still think when the Dems come rolling into power in 2018 Trump will get impeached *instantly* and Pence is going down with him.

Nah brah,

You got it wrong. Obama and the entire intelligence communities, under Obama, per Obama's orders, declared that Russia hacked the election in November and December 2016. They then tone that rhetoric down to interfered with the election.

And CNN ran with it and has been running with it ever since.

If there was ever any evidence at all that Trump colluded with Russia first of all they would know real time because they were already surveilling almost the entire Trump team at that point.

And if they had it just nullify the damn election.

And I'm serious about that just nullify the damn election already and award HRC the damn presidency.

And deal with the Fallout if they( the Obama Administration) was wrong about collusion. And they clearly are wrong. otherwise come with the evidence already.

Just like Hillary said on October 30th to comey, "bring out what you got."

And that's just it they got nothing otherwise we'd see it already. This is a fishing expedition to find something, anything.

And nobody lives a perfect life. you put the FBI on any human being on planet Earth, including Mother Teresa, and they will find something. Even if it's not enough to convict or indict it will be enough to swing that 1% of Voters in the next election.

And that's the plan. Everybody knows that's the plan here. The plan is to swing votes. To keep this investigation as long as possible. Drip-drip-drip. Tick Tock. And take as many seats back in the house and send it along the way. And eventually take back the White House. On nothing. no charges whatsoever.

I'd like to take this time to remind everyone that it doesn't matter if Russia helped anyone at any point. The only issue is if Trump colluded with them to do so and is not acting in the best interest of the American people and instead working for the Russian government which he clearly is not.

And frankly Trump and his team of lawyers are well aware of what's going on here and they fully intend to get to the bottom of it as does Judicial Watch as does the hill has does a lot of other journalists.

This is the dirtiest of dirty politics that has been played in the modern era. This is downright Banana Republic bull crap.

Everyone sees right through it.

Brought to you all by Barack Obama himself. The Constitutional law scholar. Wow!!!!

And the bad part is that people like me are going to fully support the Trump Administration for doing the same thing to the next Administration. Eye for an eye baby.

Or we can all just grow up act like adults accept the results of the election and give Trump the opportunity to govern? He clearly is doing a very good job.

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So the indictments on Flynn, Manofort and Papadopolous were just for show? You think these guys took plea deals for what reason? Trump has surrounded himself with criminals and is most likely engaged in criminal activity himself. If there's nothing to hide then why all the lying and freaking out about emails?

As a wise man once said the fish rots from the what down.

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OMG, I just burst out-loud laughing at work. Trump told Russians in the Oval Office that:

“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

DJT is a very very dumb man. When Trump “joked” about asking the Russians to find Clinton’s emails, this was a psychological “tell” just like whenever he say “believe me”, you know that he just lied about whatever he just told you. The timing of Trumps “joke” coincides with the Trumps camps knowledge about the existence of the Clinton hacks.




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That's two different subjects. If you want to argue that Trump fired Comey because he considered the investigation a major distraction to his presidency, and maybe even a threat to impeachment, that's fine. That's unrelated to Trump joking that Putin should release the emails he hacked. If Trump really was working secretly with Putin, he wouldn't broadcast it.

I think you've got this 100% wrong.

Here's how Trump would've handled the Russia controversy: The day after the election Trump would have stood up and said "I'd like to thank Russia for helping me beat that vile biyatch Hillary Clinton, because f@#$ Democracy - oops, I mean the Democrats - and the MSM!" And all of his followers would've lapped it up, it would've lasted a newscycle or two until Trump tweeted something else distracting and that would've been the end of it.

No, what happened is his staff were involved in a hushed up conspiracy with Russia but it was pretty low level, Russia was spending maybe a million dollars on it, tops, and low level functionaries were handling it, with some coordination from Mike Flynn. They happened to mention it in passing to Trump and he immediately blurted it out on national TV like a drunken Uncle, "HEY RUSSIANS WHY DON'T YOU *belch* HACK HILLARY'S EMAILS, lol"

Terrified that he would blurt out the whole thing, his staff quietly tamped down on the whole effort. So it was THE ONE controversy where Trump didn't know 100% about it. He didn't go "Let me handle this, dumdums - I'll just double down on it, admit right out that I did it, the MSM will go **** and my followers will eat it up and my polls will go up, watch"

I think Trump is innocent precisely because he did not immediately cop to it. "Haha, suckers, if you were as good a dealmaker as me you could've gotten my golden shower emails and instead the joke's on you!"

The problem is, Trump is the boss and is ultimately responsible for what his staff does, so even though this is a result of massive incompetence on his staff's part, and not something he orchestrated personally (his own personal style of incompetence has a different flavor) I still think when the Dems come rolling into power in 2018 Trump will get impeached *instantly* and Pence is going down with him.

I think you nailed-it Zonk, I believe this is the most-likely scenario exactly as you laid it out, I would only add that the chances are very high that he has been compromised by the Russians, Trump is dirty.

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Reminds me of Pelosi's quote on the ACA

It's funny you mention that quote because it was completely taken out of context. Not to mention it the ACA wasn't rushed through Congress, had many committees, followed normal Senate rules etc. It was the exact opposite of this tax bill in every way.

Yep. Definitely taken out of context

In some ways its similiar to Hillary's "deplorable" statement.

When you read the entire speech it actually fits.

You mean to tell me that Republicans are less than truthful and completely spin words out of context to rile up their base? Say it ain't so Wizardspride

[dckingsfan]

Reminds me of Pelosi's quote on the ACA

It's funny you mention that quote because it was completely taken out of context. Not to mention it the ACA wasn't rushed through Congress, had many committees, followed normal Senate rules etc. It was the exact opposite of this tax bill in every way.

Yep. Definitely taken out of context

In some ways its similiar to Hillary's "deplorable" statement.

When you read the entire speech it actually fits.

Yes to all three. Pelosi was taken out of context - but it was still true and is to this day.

Hillary take out of context but still how she felt. Listen to the speech and you can hear it. It is exactly how she feels...

The Rs not knowing what is in the bill - they do but only the parts they want to know. And they don't realize how complicated they just made our tax code. They don't understand the unintended consequence.

Ugly all around. None of the three understood the unintended consequences of their statements/actions.

[Wizardspride]

It's funny you mention that quote because it was completely taken out of context. Not to mention it the ACA wasn't rushed through Congress, had many committees, followed normal Senate rules etc. It was the exact opposite of this tax bill in every way.

Yep. Definitely taken out of context

In some ways its similiar to Hillary's "deplorable" statement.

When you read the entire speech it actually fits.

Yes to all three. Pelosi was taken out of context - but it was still true and is to this day.

Hillary take out of context but still how she felt. Listen to the speech and you can hear it. It is exactly how she feels...

The Rs not knowing what is in the bill - they do but only the parts they want to know. And they don't realize how complicated they just made our tax code. They don't understand the unintended consequence.

Ugly all around. None of the three understood the unintended consequences of their statements/actions.

In regards to Hillary, we can debate whether she was correct but yeah, she definitely feels/felt that way/

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Yep. Definitely taken out of context

In some ways its similiar to Hillary's "deplorable" statement.

When you read the entire speech it actually fits.

Yes to all three. Pelosi was taken out of context - but it was still true and is to this day.

Hillary take out of context but still how she felt. Listen to the speech and you can hear it. It is exactly how she feels...

The Rs not knowing what is in the bill - they do but only the parts they want to know. And they don't realize how complicated they just made our tax code. They don't understand the unintended consequence.

Ugly all around. None of the three understood the unintended consequences of their statements/actions.

In regards to Hillary, we can debate whether she was correct but yeah, she definitely feels/felt that way/

which means she wasn't fit to be president to over half of the country and acknowledged as much a month before the election.

However clumsily, Trump has reached out to minorities. reached out women. reached out to liberal. he is a nationalist and wants to help all americans. and most republicans feel this way. Most republicans love most americans.

where most liberal despise most conservatives. literally despise them. And HRC despises them too. sad.

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Reminds me of Pelosi's quote on the ACA

It's funny you mention that quote because it was completely taken out of context. Not to mention it the ACA wasn't rushed through Congress, had many committees, followed normal Senate rules etc. It was the exact opposite of this tax bill in every way.

Yep. Definitely taken out of context

In some ways its similiar to Hillary's "deplorable" statement.

When you read the entire speech it actually fits.

The other funny thing about the 'deplorables' statement is that no matter how you choose to interpret it she was 100% correct

[gtn130]

It's funny you mention that quote because it was completely taken out of context. Not to mention it the ACA wasn't rushed through Congress, had many committees, followed normal Senate rules etc. It was the exact opposite of this tax bill in every way.

Yep. Definitely taken out of context

In some ways its similiar to Hillary's "deplorable" statement.

When you read the entire speech it actually fits.

Yes to all three. Pelosi was taken out of context - but it was still true and is to this day.

Hillary take out of context but still how she felt. Listen to the speech and you can hear it. It is exactly how she feels...

The Rs not knowing what is in the bill - they do but only the parts they want to know. And they don't realize how complicated they just made our tax code. They don't understand the unintended consequence.

Ugly all around. None of the three understood the unintended consequences of their statements/actions.

Because it's true, bro. You still seem to really buy into this Hillbilly Elegy narrative despite there being zero evidence to support it. Trump's base is about racism and lib tears. It's what he ran on. Look no further than Ed Gillespie's campaign. The end.

Also, liberals DO NOT need to pander to deplorables to win elections. Ralph Northam's campaign is evidence of that.

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hillary at 36%. maybe the low ratings are not specific to trump. more people awake. more paying attention. divisive partisan rhetoric has everyone's ratings low.

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Yep. Definitely taken out of context

In some ways its similiar to Hillary's "deplorable" statement.

When you read the entire speech it actually fits.

Yes to all three. Pelosi was taken out of context - but it was still true and is to this day.

Hillary take out of context but still how she felt. Listen to the speech and you can hear it. It is exactly how she feels...

The Rs not knowing what is in the bill - they do but only the parts they want to know. And they don't realize how complicated they just made our tax code. They don't understand the unintended consequence.

Ugly all around. None of the three understood the unintended consequences of their statements/actions.

Because it's true, bro. You still seem to really buy into this Hillbilly Elegy narrative despite there being zero evidence to support it. Trump's base is about racism and lib tears. It's what he ran on. Look no further than Ed Gillespie's campaign. The end.

Also, liberals DO NOT need to pander to deplorables to win elections. Ralph Northam's campaign is evidence of that.

You are right - she didn't pander. She didn't need to - it was going to be a landslide. She didn't campaign. She had the stupid comment that got the other side riled up. We got Trump and it doesn't taste very good.

Keep rationalizing that the Ds didn't do this to themselves...

There will still be the inevitable swing back because the Rs couldn't govern themselves out of a wet paper bag. But did the Ds take on the tax code when they were in power? Did they come up with a sustainable stimulus? Did they take on the cost drivers of healthcare? No... they need to figure out how to govern as well.

But alas - this will go back to the tribal. The Rs will try to frame the Ds as evil and vice versa and there will continue to be a dearth of ideas to get us onto some kind of sustainable track.

[Pointgod]

Yes to all three. Pelosi was taken out of context - but it was still true and is to this day.

Hillary take out of context but still how she felt. Listen to the speech and you can hear it. It is exactly how she feels...

The Rs not knowing what is in the bill - they do but only the parts they want to know. And they don't realize how complicated they just made our tax code. They don't understand the unintended consequence.

Ugly all around. None of the three understood the unintended consequences of their statements/actions.

Because it's true, bro. You still seem to really buy into this Hillbilly Elegy narrative despite there being zero evidence to support it. Trump's base is about racism and lib tears. It's what he ran on. Look no further than Ed Gillespie's campaign. The end.

Also, liberals DO NOT need to pander to deplorables to win elections. Ralph Northam's campaign is evidence of that.

You are right - she didn't pander. She didn't need to - it was going to be a landslide. She didn't campaign. She had the stupid comment that got the other side riled up. We got Trump and it doesn't taste very good.

Keep rationalizing that the Ds didn't do this to themselves...

There will still be the inevitable swing back because the Rs couldn't govern themselves out of a wet paper bag. But did the Ds take on the tax code when they were in power? Did they come up with a sustainable stimulus? Did they take on the cost drivers of healthcare? No... they need to figure out how to govern as well.

But alas - this will go back to the tribal. The Rs will try to frame the Ds as evil and vice versa and there will continue to be a dearth of ideas to get us onto some kind of sustainable track.

Let's be honest here. Trump won by 100,000 votes in 3 Democratic States. It was the equivalent of getting fouled on a half court heave that goes in to win by 1 point. I'm starting to believe that if it wasn't for Russian meddling that the Clinton would have won. 8 million less people turned out for Clinton than Obama. You can't discount the influence of Russian propaganda and voter suppression getting people to stay home. When Democrats turnout, Democrats win period.

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Because it's true, bro. You still seem to really buy into this Hillbilly Elegy narrative despite there being zero evidence to support it. Trump's base is about racism and lib tears. It's what he ran on. Look no further than Ed Gillespie's campaign. The end.

Also, liberals DO NOT need to pander to deplorables to win elections. Ralph Northam's campaign is evidence of that.

You are right - she didn't pander. She didn't need to - it was going to be a landslide. She didn't campaign. She had the stupid comment that got the other side riled up. We got Trump and it doesn't taste very good.

Keep rationalizing that the Ds didn't do this to themselves...

There will still be the inevitable swing back because the Rs couldn't govern themselves out of a wet paper bag. But did the Ds take on the tax code when they were in power? Did they come up with a sustainable stimulus? Did they take on the cost drivers of healthcare? No... they need to figure out how to govern as well.

But alas - this will go back to the tribal. The Rs will try to frame the Ds as evil and vice versa and there will continue to be a dearth of ideas to get us onto some kind of sustainable track.

Let's be honest here. Trump won by 100,000 votes in 3 Democratic States. It was the equivalent of getting fouled on a half court heave that goes in to win by 1 point. I'm starting to believe that if it wasn't for Russian meddling that the Clinton would have won. 8 million less people turned out for Clinton than Obama. You can't discount the influence of Russian propaganda and voter suppression getting people to stay home. When Democrats turnout, Democrats win period.

Another way to say the same thing... wrong candidate - they stayed home. Is that on the Rs?

But you don’t want to also address the missteps in governing? That will be the key when the inevitably move into power again.

Looking forward to a battle in the D ranks where the best ideas rise and not the “my turn” candidates.

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