Political Roundtable Part XIX

[Jamaaliver]

Ummmm.....no need to comment on the absurd.

Just turning the page, literally.

[Wizardspride]

I love how SD20 finds these random black folk tweets in an attempt to prove Trump is "down".

The last poll I saw had his approval rating among AAs at 17%.

But what do I and the other 83% of black folk know?

Candace Owens is "woke".

The hilarious things is it's literally the same 4 or 5 idiots on Twitter that he keeps reposting. The number of black people that support Trump couldn't even field a soccer team.

[gtn130]

I love how SD20 finds these random black folk tweets in an attempt to prove Trump is "down".

The last poll I saw had his approval rating among AAs at 17%.

But what do I and the other 83% of black folk know?

Candace Owens is "woke".

Yeah, it's like when he says black unemployment was at 20% throughout Obama's term. Just laughable made-up nonsense to support his awful narratives.

He cares deeply about truth and justice though

Dude. When you argue facts with a crazy person, the terrorists win.

This is typically my approach tbh. I blocked him a long time ago because his posts are so long and numerous that scrolling through them is a chore. Occasionally I'll take a look and a read a few lines, but I can't imagine actually reading a full SD20 post. Who has that kind of time?

When I see him say something ban-worthy, though, I'll call it out because he should have been banned a long time ago. Blatantly lying and sharing disinformation crosses a line imo.

[Zonkerbl]

Yeah, it's like when he says black unemployment was at 20% throughout Obama's term. Just laughable made-up nonsense to support his awful narratives.

He cares deeply about truth and justice though

Dude. When you argue facts with a crazy person, the terrorists win.

This is typically my approach tbh. I blocked him a long time ago because his posts are so long and numerous that scrolling through them is a chore. Occasionally I'll take a look and a read a few lines, but I can't imagine actually reading a full SD20 post. Who has that kind of time?

When I see him say something ban-worthy, though, I'll call it out because he should have been banned a long time ago. Blatantly lying and sharing disinformation crosses a line imo.

Not really... if he starts repeating Rothschild conspiracy theories and claims Jews controlled the central banks in Western Europe all through the 20th Century, which is part of the argument Hitler used to justify the final solution, that's hate speech and should be banned. I was on a facebook discussion group where the whole thing had to be shut down because of that.

Being ignorant/crazy/wrong is not a bannable offense. I'm still not sure I understand why Hands was banned, it had something to do with being persistently obnoxious. I suppose if Hands persistent nonsense-based blathering was grounds for banning, sd20 is certainly going down that same road. Personally I don't think tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy-theory spouting lunatics should be banned - we're all adult enough to know not to engage in that sort of stuff.

[Wizardspride]

Read on Twitter

?s=20

[dckingsfan]

So, I met with my city council member and started babbling about sustainable government

She said that they did a pension reform and are well on their way. I asked how they could guarantee a 7% return on their investments. She had that blank stare like I was such an idiot. Asked her if those pension obligations were taking away from other programs. Then she sighed... "yeah, it was a stupid idea to guarantee 8.5% and probably now to guarantee 7% - it seemed like a good idea at the time..."

https://kinder.rice.edu/2016/10/25/houstons-pension-reform-package-our-latest-analysis/

[Ruzious]

Read on Twitter

Looks more like Bon Jovi. His face looks a lot wider than Brady's.

[gtn130]

Dude. When you argue facts with a crazy person, the terrorists win.

This is typically my approach tbh. I blocked him a long time ago because his posts are so long and numerous that scrolling through them is a chore. Occasionally I'll take a look and a read a few lines, but I can't imagine actually reading a full SD20 post. Who has that kind of time?

When I see him say something ban-worthy, though, I'll call it out because he should have been banned a long time ago. Blatantly lying and sharing disinformation crosses a line imo.

Not really... if he starts repeating Rothschild conspiracy theories and claims Jews controlled the central banks in Western Europe all through the 20th Century, which is part of the argument Hitler used to justify the final solution, that's hate speech and should be banned. I was on a facebook discussion group where the whole thing had to be shut down because of that.

Being ignorant/crazy/wrong is not a bannable offense. I'm still not sure I understand why Hands was banned, it had something to do with being persistently obnoxious. I suppose if Hands persistent nonsense-based blathering was grounds for banning, sd20 is certainly going down that same road. Personally I don't think tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy-theory spouting lunatics should be banned - we're all adult enough to know not to engage in that sort of stuff.

This isn't a court of law. If it worsens the experience for everyone else on a consistent basis, it's a bannable offense in my opinion. Maybe there are rules that say otherwise, but those rules are dumb.

Arguing in bad faith is the most irritating thing people do in discourse. Being a RWNJ and littering the thread with fake news is also pretty damn obnoxious. I think at some point a constant flow of fake news garbage winds up being pernicious in a gaslighty kind of way.

He's just a massive net negative to the thread (and to society)

[Zonkerbl]

This is typically my approach tbh. I blocked him a long time ago because his posts are so long and numerous that scrolling through them is a chore. Occasionally I'll take a look and a read a few lines, but I can't imagine actually reading a full SD20 post. Who has that kind of time?

When I see him say something ban-worthy, though, I'll call it out because he should have been banned a long time ago. Blatantly lying and sharing disinformation crosses a line imo.

Not really... if he starts repeating Rothschild conspiracy theories and claims Jews controlled the central banks in Western Europe all through the 20th Century, which is part of the argument Hitler used to justify the final solution, that's hate speech and should be banned. I was on a facebook discussion group where the whole thing had to be shut down because of that.

Being ignorant/crazy/wrong is not a bannable offense. I'm still not sure I understand why Hands was banned, it had something to do with being persistently obnoxious. I suppose if Hands persistent nonsense-based blathering was grounds for banning, sd20 is certainly going down that same road. Personally I don't think tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy-theory spouting lunatics should be banned - we're all adult enough to know not to engage in that sort of stuff.

This isn't a court of law. If it worsens the experience for everyone else on a consistent basis, it's a bannable offense in my opinion. Maybe there are rules that say otherwise, but those rules are dumb.

Arguing in bad faith is the most irritating thing people do in discourse. Being a RWNJ and littering the thread with fake news is also pretty damn obnoxious. I think at some point a constant flow of fake news garbage winds up being pernicious in a gaslighty kind of way.

He's just a massive net negative to the thread (and to society)

If we got rid of all the people in this thread who posted a constant stream of RWNJ gaslighting fake news garbage there wouldn't be anybody left to argue with, except Duck maybe. It's the state of political discourse right now, right wing gasbags flinging feces everywhere and everybody else with firehoses trying to spray off the sewage. Maybe we should just stop talking to each other given how pointless it is. I'm all for seceding. The urban areas that vote Democrat are a lot wealthier than all the Republican voting flyover areas. Those parasites can stew in their own juices for all I care. I guess while we're still stuck with them we have to put up with their BS.

[dckingsfan]

I could be wrong - but doesn't this figure give Obama the credit? Wasn't that when the unemployment rate started to fall? Don't we always look for the start of the trendline?

Read on Twitter

[Zonkerbl]

What's interesting is my radical left wing home town has a discussion page and the arguments there are just as feces-flinging as the arguments everywhere else. It's because we're all so stupid and juvenile that we are easily triggered by trolls. It just so happens that at the national level all the trolls are RWNJ gasbags, starting with the so-called "President."

[dckingsfan]

I wonder if trolling works better now and if we are more reactive than in the past? Or if it has always been that way?

It does seem like we are more polarized now - but that may be outcome bias.

It "seems like" there are more single issue voters now. And that anyone that doesn't get the point you are making is "not tied to reality".

Race. Taxes. Sustainability. Abortion. Religion. Environment. Guns. Education. Etc.

Cognitive dissonance sets in when you have two issues split between the two different parties?

[Zonkerbl]

I wonder if trolling works better now and if we are more reactive than in the past? Or if it has always been that way?

It does seem like we are more polarized now - but that may be outcome bias.

It "seems like" there are more single issue voters now. And that anyone that doesn't get the point you are making is "not tied to reality".

Race. Taxes. Sustainability. Abortion. Religion. Environment. Guns. Education. Etc.

Cognitive dissonance sets in when you have two issues split between the two different parties?

The per unit cost of trolling is a lot lower now that everyone has access to the internet. We've always been susceptible to it but it was just hard to troll *everybody* like twitter lets you do now.

We are tribal, and have evolved to be 10% wolves and 90% sheep. That's a lot of unquestioning obedience to authority out there. Combine that with the low cost of broadcasting conformist propaganda, e.g. Breitbart, and billionaires willing to fund it, and you've got our current dystopian nightmare.

[stilldropin20]

Not really... if he starts repeating Rothschild conspiracy theories and claims Jews controlled the central banks in Western Europe all through the 20th Century, which is part of the argument Hitler used to justify the final solution, that's hate speech and should be banned. I was on a facebook discussion group where the whole thing had to be shut down because of that.

Being ignorant/crazy/wrong is not a bannable offense. I'm still not sure I understand why Hands was banned, it had something to do with being persistently obnoxious. I suppose if Hands persistent nonsense-based blathering was grounds for banning, sd20 is certainly going down that same road. Personally I don't think tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy-theory spouting lunatics should be banned - we're all adult enough to know not to engage in that sort of stuff.

This isn't a court of law. If it worsens the experience for everyone else on a consistent basis, it's a bannable offense in my opinion. Maybe there are rules that say otherwise, but those rules are dumb.

Arguing in bad faith is the most irritating thing people do in discourse. Being a RWNJ and littering the thread with fake news is also pretty damn obnoxious. I think at some point a constant flow of fake news garbage winds up being pernicious in a gaslighty kind of way.

He's just a massive net negative to the thread (and to society)

If we got rid of all the people in this thread who posted a constant stream of RWNJ gaslighting fake news garbage there wouldn't be anybody left to argue with, except Duck maybe. It's the state of political discourse right now, right wing gasbags flinging feces everywhere and everybody else with firehoses trying to spray off the sewage. Maybe we should just stop talking to each other given how pointless it is. I'm all for seceding. The urban areas that vote Democrat are a lot wealthier than all the Republican voting flyover areas. Those parasites can stew in their own juices for all I care. I guess while we're still stuck with them we have to put up with their BS.

Spoken like true losers. If you cant win the debate, muddy it up with your own lies and bull crap you call "facts." and get 4 other liars that agree with you that those are the "right set" of facts. Then when your own personal "set of facts" is successfully challenged...well just shut them up! freedom of speech be damned!!

If you guys were "right." and if your ideas were are so sound. The public will agree with you.

Unfortunately this is a news flash on this board but there is generally more than one way to solve problems around the world. You guys are going to have to grow up some day and realize that your way wont always be the way it gets done. You will lose elections because the united states electorate wants to try a different approach. Stop whining and crying about it so much....to the point of taking a political flame thrower to the political process just because things are not being accomplished the way you like.

Just. Grow up.

[gtn130]

I wonder if trolling works better now and if we are more reactive than in the past? Or if it has always been that way?

It does seem like we are more polarized now - but that may be outcome bias.

It "seems like" there are more single issue voters now. And that anyone that doesn't get the point you are making is "not tied to reality".

Race. Taxes. Sustainability. Abortion. Religion. Environment. Guns. Education. Etc.

Cognitive dissonance sets in when you have two issues split between the two different parties?

Oh boy.

Who else here is posting nonsense conspiracy theories? There is no equivalent to the right wing derposphere on the left. There is no SD20 equivalent in this thread.

You're again drawing this unquestionably wrong false equivalence about the left and right and their extremes. The right wing lunatics out front and center parading around with their conspiracies - the Sean Hannitys of the world - should be disavowed from society. They're deplorables. They're legitimately bad people with bad intentions who bring out the worst in gullible idiots. The fools regurgitating that nonsense shouldn't be treated as decent people when they clearly are not.

Your response invariably will be "haha gtn130 that's why the dems lose elections! proves my point!" but you're taking my position on how members of society should treat each other and acting like I'm a DNC strategist trying to optimize my ability to earn votes. I'm not running for office. I don't represent the Democrats.

Being nice to Deplorables about their wretched views and normalizing their bullsh*t is a disservice to everyone.

[gtn130]

What's interesting is my radical left wing home town has a discussion page and the arguments there are just as feces-flinging as the arguments everywhere else. It's because we're all so stupid and juvenile that we are easily triggered by trolls. It just so happens that at the national level all the trolls are RWNJ gasbags, starting with the so-called "President."

I think leaving their wrong and hateful views unchallenged is a mistake.

[Zonkerbl]

What's interesting is my radical left wing home town has a discussion page and the arguments there are just as feces-flinging as the arguments everywhere else. It's because we're all so stupid and juvenile that we are easily triggered by trolls. It just so happens that at the national level all the trolls are RWNJ gasbags, starting with the so-called "President."

I think leaving their wrong and hateful views unchallenged is a mistake.

I think it's ok to laugh at weak attempts to manipulate you or spread hilariously inaccurate lies. But letting yourself get triggered by trolls is what they want. Trump is proof you can't legislate by trolling, it's been a complete dumpsterfire so far. My advice would be to turn away from trolls who are just trying to get you to turn to the dark side, and turn towards positive things. One hour spent volunteering for your local representative is probably a thousand times more productive than an hour spent "challenging" stupidity on the internet.

[dckingsfan]

I wonder if trolling works better now and if we are more reactive than in the past? Or if it has always been that way?

It does seem like we are more polarized now - but that may be outcome bias.

It "seems like" there are more single issue voters now. And that anyone that doesn't get the point you are making is "not tied to reality".

Race. Taxes. Sustainability. Abortion. Religion. Environment. Guns. Education. Etc.

Cognitive dissonance sets in when you have two issues split between the two different parties?

Oh boy.

Who else here is posting nonsense conspiracy theories? There is no equivalent to the right wing derposphere on the left. There is no SD20 equivalent in this thread.

You're again drawing this unquestionably wrong false equivalence about the left and right and their extremes. The right wing lunatics out front and center parading around with their conspiracies - the Sean Hannitys of the world - should be disavowed from society. They're deplorables. They're legitimately bad people with bad intentions who bring out the worst in gullible idiots. The fools regurgitating that nonsense shouldn't be treated as decent people when they clearly are not.

Your response invariably will be "haha gtn130 that's why the dems lose elections! proves my point!" but you're taking my position on how members of society should treat each other and acting like I'm a DNC strategist trying to optimize my ability to earn votes. I'm not running for office. I don't represent the Democrats.

Being nice to Deplorables about their wretched views and normalizing their bullsh*t is a disservice to everyone.

Sorry, I think am missing your point with respect to my post. I asked if we were more reactive now than in the past? And if our reactions were more about the single issues.

I get your point about those in the media that out and out lie.

My question is - are we more "gullible" now? Are we more "reactive" now.

BTW, why the hell aren't you out supporting those with your views? That makes absolutely no sense. You are clearly passionate on these issues - go make a difference.

Edit: Ooof - didn't see Zonk's post above - and didn't mean to get preachy.

[stilldropin20]

Dude. When you argue facts with a crazy person, the terrorists win.

This is typically my approach tbh. I blocked him a long time ago because his posts are so long and numerous that scrolling through them is a chore. Occasionally I'll take a look and a read a few lines, but I can't imagine actually reading a full SD20 post. Who has that kind of time?

When I see him say something ban-worthy, though, I'll call it out because he should have been banned a long time ago. Blatantly lying and sharing disinformation crosses a line imo.

Not really... if he starts repeating Rothschild conspiracy theories and claims Jews controlled the central banks in Western Europe all through the 20th Century, which is part of the argument Hitler used to justify the final solution, that's hate speech and should be banned. I was on a facebook discussion group where the whole thing had to be shut down because of that.

Being ignorant/crazy/wrong is not a bannable offense. I'm still not sure I understand why Hands was banned, it had something to do with being persistently obnoxious. I suppose if Hands persistent nonsense-based blathering was grounds for banning, sd20 is certainly going down that same road. Personally I don't think tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy-theory spouting lunatics should be banned - we're all adult enough to know not to engage in that sort of stuff.

you have been at that narrative in bold for over a year. I never once said "the jews." Ever. Not once. the fact that the rothschilds are jews is inconsequential and has nothing to do with the fact that they are the bankers that own and control most of the central and world banking system. Why are you so dead set on making that up??? I think something is seriously wrong with you. You literally hate anyone that doesn't agree with you. You talk like hitler on these pages not me. "succeeding from the union" ...."Burn down rural america"..."they really are deplorables" ..."shut them up" ..."freedom of speech be damned!"....You, buddy....YOU...are "the hitler" in this conversation. Not me.

While we are at it. we have been talking about the deep state for nearly a year. Like DCKings, I argue that "root of all deep state activity" to sever the american people from their money and or land...usually via taxes. Money spend unsustainably on "programs" that yield little value to the citizens of the united states.

So what faction of government spends(wastes) the most US tax dollars????? I could make a compelling arguement that the US federal reserve and wastes the most US tax payer dollars seeing that 1 of every 2 current tax dollars goes to pay down JUST THE INTEREST on the national debt.

using DCkings "definition" that is the deepest of deep state government waste. before the banking and federal reserve act of 1913 we did not borrow money (from ourselves) at interest. We simply printed notes instead of bonds.

I have and will continue to maintain that (most likely the London branch of the rothschilds banking empire) were the secret 5th partner of the original federal reserve bank board. banking records show that the early predecessors of those initial "american" banks did not have the capital at inception to fund the united states government. They simply did not have the money. yet.

This was early deep state activity. The earliest. The most pervasive. The most insidious.

--"Income tax" became a federal law for the first time as part of the the federal reserve act of 1913.

--The loans we took from the federal reserve (who used fractional reserve lending to create money out of thin air).

--from banks that didn't even have enough money to begin with.

--the system was entirely based on the rothschild owned bank of london. and only Band of London had the money to fund the united states through the industrial revolution and into the WW1 and then WW2 era's.

--our forefathers(washington, jefferson, jackson, franklin, and many others had fought against what they called "foreign banking serpents" because they saw the despair created in europe as the 5 branches of the europeans rothschild banking empire had plunged(financed) all of europe but especially france and england into long and costly battles and conflicts leaving them debt ridden and therefore highly taxed.

So if you want to be intellectually honest? and attempt to understand the "deep state?" it starts here: The Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I wonder if trolling works better now and if we are more reactive than in the past? Or if it has always been that way?

It does seem like we are more polarized now - but that may be outcome bias.

It "seems like" there are more single issue voters now. And that anyone that doesn't get the point you are making is "not tied to reality".

Race. Taxes. Sustainability. Abortion. Religion. Environment. Guns. Education. Etc.

Cognitive dissonance sets in when you have two issues split between the two different parties?

Trolling has always been effective, but the game has changed and people are only just now starting to realize some of the possibilities. The real gamechanger is social media, though. The medium still very much is the message and we had a brand new medium of communication dropped into our laps and nobody really noticed what that would mean. So yeah, Trolling was always effective, but it was much, much harder to do. Social media has made trolling much easier to do and therefore much more effective. And so you have people who have exploited social media to sow division to further their own ends.