Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[JAR69]

Oh, I agree -- Rui has unique marketing value for the Wizards brand. Ted won't trade him unless he sees that start falling, which I doubt will happen.

But that's also what may skew the market for him some. Other teams may also overvalue him for non-basketball reasons - teams that want to build a brand in Japan, for instance. So we may be able to upgrade talent-wise if we trade him while his basketball potential + marketing value is high.

[WallToWall]

Oh, I agree -- Rui has unique marketing value for the Wizards brand. Ted won't trade him unless he sees that start falling, which I doubt will happen.

But that's also what may skew the market for him some. Other teams may also overvalue him for non-basketball reasons - teams that want to build a brand in Japan, for instance. So we may be able to upgrade talent-wise if we trade him while his basketball potential + marketing value is high.

If we are focusing on his market value, then destinations like Houston, Dallas, Portland, LA, are places with a larger Japanese population base and Asian influences. These teams in/near these cities, perhaps, may overvalue him due to marketing possibilities.

[pcbothwel]

Oh, I agree -- Rui has unique marketing value for the Wizards brand. Ted won't trade him unless he sees that start falling, which I doubt will happen.

But that's also what may skew the market for him some. Other teams may also overvalue him for non-basketball reasons - teams that want to build a brand in Japan, for instance. So we may be able to upgrade talent-wise if we trade him while his basketball potential + marketing value is high.

Right. And that would be helpful for acquiring a 3rd piece. But we won’t move him for complimentary pieces. Even if it would result in a net improvement like I believe the referenced grizzlies trade would do.
Just acknowledging the current direction/environment for this team.

[payitforward]

The Gortat for Rivers trade was purely about salary. In both cases the traded players were expiring contracts. The point was to trade for a smaller expiring contract and thereby reduce luxtax payments. Nobody thought Rivers was any good.

That was how this board saw the trade, nate? Is that what you mean? That nobody here thought Rivers was any good?

Correct. Everyone knew he was a low efficiency gunner. Sure, there was a little hope that maybe, just maybe, the young player might figure things out. But nobody expected it. The bottom line was that Gortat was over the hill, and it was time to rebuild.

Not how I remember it, but... I'm likely misremembering.

[payitforward]

Oh, I agree -- Rui has unique marketing value for the Wizards brand. Ted won't trade him unless he sees that start falling, which I doubt will happen.

But that's also what may skew the market for him some. Other teams may also overvalue him for non-basketball reasons - teams that want to build a brand in Japan, for instance. So we may be able to upgrade talent-wise if we trade him while his basketball potential + marketing value is high.

Right. And that would be helpful for acquiring a 3rd piece. But we won’t move him for complimentary pieces. Even if it would result in a net improvement like I believe the referenced grizzlies trade would do.
Just acknowledging the current direction/environment for this team.

Again, I agree. But I don't think it's about complementary pieces. I don't think there's any way we trade Rui for the next few years, no matter what. Japan is a big market.

[payitforward]

How about - Can we trade for JJJ without giving up Beal or Gafford? It's hard, because they've got a lot of depth.

I guess they'd have to want Russ...? I don't see that, do you?

& once you get past Beal, Gafford, Russ & Rui (whom we're not trading) -- what do we have that they would want in their current situation? Picks of course. They always have value.

Would Bertans work for them? They have tons of cap room, so a deal could be worked out....

[queridiculo]

The Grizzlies aren't trading Jaren Jackson.

[nate33]

That was how this board saw the trade, nate? Is that what you mean? That nobody here thought Rivers was any good?

Correct. Everyone knew he was a low efficiency gunner. Sure, there was a little hope that maybe, just maybe, the young player might figure things out. But nobody expected it. The bottom line was that Gortat was over the hill, and it was time to rebuild.

Not how I remember it, but... I'm likely misremembering.

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[payitforward]

Yes, as you say, there was definitely a fair amount of skepticism -- but... some support as well. Anyway long ago.

[Dark Faze]

At this rate I wouldn't be shocked if we "run it bak". 1 year deals for Neto, Gavin, Robin, Ish....and Brooks.

[verbal8]

At this rate I wouldn't be shocked if we "run it bak". 1 year deals for Neto, Gavin, Robin, Ish....and Brooks.

I think it should/will depend on what happens in the first round.

Pushing it to 7 or 6 competitive games would make sense to run it back with a decent shot at getting a 3 to 5 seed and a decent shot at getting to the Conference Finals.

If the Wizards get swept or only take one game, they should be looking to make significant changes.

[payitforward]

At this rate I wouldn't be shocked if we "run it bak". 1 year deals for Neto, Gavin, Robin, Ish....and Brooks.

I think it should/will depend on what happens in the first round.

Pushing it to 7 or 6 competitive games would make sense to run it back.... If ...swept or only take one game, ...make significant changes.

That's quite a good point! Having gone 17-6 to close the season, we've changed our view of our team. But... if we aren't competitive, that'll give us more accurate information about where we are as a team.

That said, the "run it back" concept only applies to Brooks. The players on Faze's list (assuming Gavin=Garrison Mathews) should all come back anyway -- if the deals are right.

[nate33]

Yeah, I figure the team next year will look a lot like the team this year.

Obviously, the 9 players under contract will be back.

Among the remaining 6 players, I'd rank them in order of likelihood of coming back as follows:

Mathews
Neto
Len
Bonga
Lopez
Ish

[mhd]

Yeah, I figure the team next year will look a lot like the team this year.

Obviously, the 9 players under contract will be back.

Among the remaining 6 players, I'd rank them in order of likelihood of coming back as follows:

Mathews
Neto
Len
Bonga
Lopez
Ish

Are we sure Bryant is coming back? Gafford is the future at center and that means next year might be Bryant's last year anyways (he's expiring). Why not look to see if we could trade Bryant for a wing with potential that is signed longer than just for one year?

[nate33]

Yeah, I figure the team next year will look a lot like the team this year.

Obviously, the 9 players under contract will be back.

Among the remaining 6 players, I'd rank them in order of likelihood of coming back as follows:

Mathews
Neto
Len
Bonga
Lopez
Ish

Are we sure Bryant is coming back? Gafford is the future at center and that means next year might be Bryant's last year anyways (he's expiring). Why not look to see if we could trade Bryant for a wing with potential that is signed longer than just for one year?

Because nobody is going to give a wing with potential and signed to a good deal in order to get back a center coming off an ACL injury who can't protect the rim.

[Frichuela]

Yeah, I figure the team next year will look a lot like the team this year.

Obviously, the 9 players under contract will be back.

Among the remaining 6 players, I'd rank them in order of likelihood of coming back as follows:

Mathews
Neto
Len
Bonga
Lopez
Ish

Are we sure Bryant is coming back? Gafford is the future at center and that means next year might be Bryant's last year anyways (he's expiring). Why not look to see if we could trade Bryant for a wing with potential that is signed longer than just for one year?

Problem is I don’t think there is a decent wing available in the trade market for Bryant…even if we add a pick.

Honestly, trading Bryant (plus Hutchison) for Christian Wood is our best bet. At the trade board, a Houston fan suggested this trade. As incentives he suggested lowering a bit the protections on our 2023 1st round pick and swapping out 2021 1st 15th pick for their 24th pick.

I would seriously consider this trade. Imagine the Wiz today if we had Wood as our stating 4 or 5, in a playoff rotation with Gafford and Rui. Wood can hit the 3, put the ball in the floor, block shots. Can play the 4 or the 5. I bet Harris would not have such a good game when facing Wood and his length on D. Finally, picking 24th instead of 15th in this draft is not too bad as there are a few interesting combo guard players who are likely to be in that range: Butler and Tre Mann in particular. I am of the opinion that this team should target combo guards with strong 3 pt shooting in the next draft.

[nate33]

Yeah, I figure the team next year will look a lot like the team this year.

Obviously, the 9 players under contract will be back.

Among the remaining 6 players, I'd rank them in order of likelihood of coming back as follows:

Mathews
Neto
Len
Bonga
Lopez
Ish

Are we sure Bryant is coming back? Gafford is the future at center and that means next year might be Bryant's last year anyways (he's expiring). Why not look to see if we could trade Bryant for a wing with potential that is signed longer than just for one year?

Problem is I don’t think there is a decent wing available in the trade market for Bryant…even if we add a pick.

Honestly, trading Bryant (plus Hutchison) for Christian Wood is our best bet. At the trade board, a Houston fan suggested this trade. As incentives he suggested lowering a bit the protections on our 2023 1st round pick and swapping out 2021 1st 15th pick for their 24th pick.

I would seriously consider this trade. Imagine the Wiz today if we had Wood as our stating 4 or 5, in a playoff rotation with Gafford and Rui. Wood can hit the 3, put the ball in the floor, block shots. Can play the 4 or the 5. I bet Harris would not have such a good game when facing Wood and his length on D. Finally, picking 24th instead of 15th in this draft is not too bad as there are a few interesting combo guard players who are likely to be in that range: Butler and Tre Mann in particular.

Sure. That's a no-brainer. I don't see Houston doing it though.

[Frichuela]

Are we sure Bryant is coming back? Gafford is the future at center and that means next year might be Bryant's last year anyways (he's expiring). Why not look to see if we could trade Bryant for a wing with potential that is signed longer than just for one year?

Problem is I don’t think there is a decent wing available in the trade market for Bryant…even if we add a pick.

Honestly, trading Bryant (plus Hutchison) for Christian Wood is our best bet. At the trade board, a Houston fan suggested this trade. As incentives he suggested lowering a bit the protections on our 2023 1st round pick and swapping out 2021 1st 15th pick for their 24th pick.

I would seriously consider this trade. Imagine the Wiz today if we had Wood as our stating 4 or 5, in a playoff rotation with Gafford and Rui. Wood can hit the 3, put the ball in the floor, block shots. Can play the 4 or the 5. I bet Harris would not have such a good game when facing Wood and his length on D. Finally, picking 24th instead of 15th in this draft is not too bad as there are a few interesting combo guard players who are likely to be in that range: Butler and Tre Mann in particular.

Sure. That's a no-brainer. I don't see Houston doing it though.

But one of their fans suggested it …And most posters thought the trade was fair..take a look at it.

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[Dat2U]

Yeah, I figure the team next year will look a lot like the team this year.

Obviously, the 9 players under contract will be back.

Among the remaining 6 players, I'd rank them in order of likelihood of coming back as follows:

Mathews
Neto
Len
Bonga
Lopez
Ish

Mathews is the only one I'd actively try to resign.

I do think Bonga could still have some utility as 4/3 but he'd be a backup backup backup plan.

Raul & Neto have had their moments but their journeymen with real defensive flaws. Again, these type of signing generally are backup options when your forced to settle for veteran minimum types.

I've gone on about both Len & Lopez. I get the argument for Len returning although it would not be my choice.

[nate33]

Yeah, I figure the team next year will look a lot like the team this year.

Obviously, the 9 players under contract will be back.

Among the remaining 6 players, I'd rank them in order of likelihood of coming back as follows:

Mathews
Neto
Len
Bonga
Lopez
Ish

Mathews is the only one I'd actively try to resign.

I do think Bonga could still have some utility as 4/3 but he'd be a backup backup backup plan.

Raul & Neto have had their moments but their journeymen with real defensive flaws. Again, these type of signing generally are backup options when your forced to settle for veteran minimum types.

I've gone on about both Len & Lopez. I get the argument for Len returning although it would not be my choice.

I think Neto has been quite good defensively. I'd happily bring him back for the vet minimum. The guy is a legit rotation player who can give you 15 good minutes a night. The reason why it's not a sure thing to bring him back is that he might cost more.