2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

[tontoz]

I'm not trying to bust your b*lls, Gambit -- it's great to be an optimistic fan. But if you look at deals based on being an optimistic fan, then it's obvious that you have no chance of assessing them accurately.

Isn't the opposite also true? If you look at deals based on being a "pessimistic" fan, you also have no chance of assessing them accurately. Just sayin'.

A realistic outlook will look pessimistic to people who are overly optimistic. The optimists on this board have been consistently wrong in their predictions. Just sayin'.

Payitforward's win total predictions have been pretty accurate. Yours haven't been.

[DCZards]

Sorry for the repeated posts below. Made the mistake of responding to stomeone I didn't want to respond to and couldn't delete post.

[DCZards]

Go Zards!

[DCZards]

Dub

[FAH1223]

Agreed Nate... its tough to watch, though Nene is a conundrum in that its hard to rely on him as your backup when hes always hurt. And I dont know he signs back if you have a Dedmon/Aldrich on board...

BTW, I just mentioned in the Other Teams Moves thread that if we:
- Signed one of Aldrich/Dedmon instead of Mahinmi
- Signed Nicholson and Sato
- Signed Curry instead of Burke
- Signed Nene to 3M - 4M deal instead of Smith
- Signed Rush

We'd still have 8M+ in cap room, the room exception, and the following lineup:

Wall / Curry
Beal / Satoransky / Rush
Otto / Oubre / Rush
Markieff / Nicholson / Nene
Gortat / Aldrich / Nene


Wow... If we assume that Nene, Curry, Rush, and Aldrich/Dedmon only took their current contracts because of the team they went to, then we can just add another 10-15% on their contracts... Still would have been great.

Now that's a balanced plan.

It's just mind blowing how stupid these front office people are.

[Rafael122]

We saw Nene play the last 3 seasons, more often than not we got on him for being constantly hurt or subbing out of games b/c he felt something. All of a sudden because he signed for less than $3 million, people want him back? Love Nene for what he brought to the team, but we'd be bringing him back, him being one year older and expecting a different result?

[tontoz]

We saw Nene play the last 3 seasons, more often than not we got on him for being constantly hurt or subbing out of games b/c he felt something. All of a sudden because he signed for less than $3 million, people want him back? Love Nene for what he brought to the team, but we'd be bringing him back, him being one year older and expecting a different result?

When Nene was here we were paying him $13 million/yr. His production was not worth his contract.

At $3 million for a year it would be. Certainly it would be preferable to paying $64 million for a backup C.

[nate33]

I guess I am just more optimistic than most. Last year I predicted 48 -55 wins, I was wrong but I was in the magin of error for having an awful HC and beal getting hurt, a better HC and a healthy beal for a full season might have gotten us to 50. IDk I like the team. Im' not being a fan boy here, I know smith was a horrible sign, but I do like the team. So far. lets see who else we get.

Healthy Beal is a unicorn.

Repeat after me...

Beal. Always. Gets. Hurt.



Also, healthy Beal really isn't THAT good. He's a modestly above average starter.

[JAR69]

Significant impact on 2017 offseason: [tweet]https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/751065633517735937[/tweet]

It doesn't look like we were going to have much, if any, cap room anyway.

[pcbothwel]

Nate,
Even if you disregard the eye test on Beal and focus solely on his career stat progression (Or lack thereof), you can still have a positive outlook.
Kevin (TSW) has clearly demonstrated that he relies on his model for his player evaluation, and he has even said that this is really the key year for Beal to make the leap. It's unfortunate that he hasnt so far and his contract ended when it did, but there is still upside.

[Rafael122]

Significant impact on 2017 offseason: [tweet]https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/751065633517735937[/tweet]

It doesn't look like we were going to have much, if any, cap room anyway.

Yeah if anything we're actually over the cap as of now, if we're thinking the cap will be $102 million. I had us around $105 mil.

[keynote]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/751067206977478656[/tweet]

[Dat2U]

So Boban Marjanovic gets a 3 yr offer sheet @ $21 million. Boban was insanely productive in limited minutes. We could of had both Boban & Cole Aldrich for the same price as Ian Mahinmi alone. We also could have had Seth Curry for what were paying Trey Burke without having to give up a 2nd round asset. At that point even if you keep Andrew Nicholson, we could have passed on Jason Smith and used that cap room to address the lack of depth on the wing. That would have been a much better off-season infused with younger, cheaper assets with actual upside.

[AFM]

I should really just start becoming a full time spurs fan. Must be awesome living in San Antonio and watching quality basketball every year for decades

[verbal8]

Agreed Nate... its tough to watch, though Nene is a conundrum in that its hard to rely on him as your backup when hes always hurt. And I dont know he signs back if you have a Dedmon/Aldrich on board...

BTW, I just mentioned in the Other Teams Moves thread that if we:
- Signed one of Aldrich/Dedmon instead of Mahinmi

It looks like both could have been possible. That means letting Nene walk, but Dedmon would be much more likely to be productive in the future.

[Kanyewest]

So Boban Marjanovic gets a 3 yr offer sheet @ $21 million. Boban was insanely productive in limited minutes. We could of had both Boban & Cole Aldrich for the same price as Ian Mahinmi alone. We also could have had Seth Curry for what were paying Trey Burke without having to give up a 2nd round asset. At that point even if you keep Andrew Nicholson, we could have passed on Jason Smith and used that cap room to address the lack of depth on the wing. That would have been a much better off-season infused with younger, cheaper assets with actual upside.

I agree with this most of this although technically Trey Burke is younger than Seth Curry.

[Dark Faze]

of course we overpay a guy like jason smith and leave an advanced stat lord and freak of nature like boban for the pistons

of course

[stevemcqueen1]

We saw Nene play the last 3 seasons, more often than not we got on him for being constantly hurt or subbing out of games b/c he felt something. All of a sudden because he signed for less than $3 million, people want him back? Love Nene for what he brought to the team, but we'd be bringing him back, him being one year older and expecting a different result?

Nene had to go. He was a drag on the whole locker room.

Nene has just been collecting a paycheck for the last three years or so. Having a guy that spends his time complaining and picking out what kind of boat he wants when he retires is not what we need on this roster. We need hungry and relentlessly competitive voices to light a fire under a young group that's underachieved.

For God's sake Beal almost got in a fight with Nene last season because the dude's attitude sucked so much. He had to go, I wouldn't have signed him back at any price.

[stevemcqueen1]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/751067206977478656[/tweet]

That is a heist. But I question how much PT Dedmon is going to get on that stacked roster.

[tontoz]

Nene's RPM of 2.37 ranked 17th among centers, just ahead of Steven Adams.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/9

His per 36 numbers were 17/8.4 and of course he was a very strong defender.

His fragility meant that he wasn't worth his contract but let's not pretend that he was dogging it when he was on the court. I would take him back in a heartbeat for a 1 yr $3 million deal.