Political Roundtable Part XVI

[verbal8]

It's funny you mention that quote because it was completely taken out of context. Not to mention it the ACA wasn't rushed through Congress, had many committees, followed normal Senate rules etc. It was the exact opposite of this tax bill in every way.

Yep. Definitely taken out of context

In some ways its similiar to Hillary's "deplorable" statement.

When you read the entire speech it actually fits.

The other funny thing about the 'deplorables' statement is that no matter how you choose to interpret it she was 100% correct

Factual supportable with statistics? OK

Politically the attitude it represents? Completely wrong.

Could Doug Jones have done what he did, with that attitide? Heck could Obama been a won Iowa giving up on likely deplorables?

[verbal8]

More like team Trump down by 1 with no time for a decent shot fouled at half court and makes 2 out of 3 to win the game.
Either candidate would have lost handily to a generic candidate from the other side.
Trump managed to get the votes of those who hated both, but still voted.

Because it's true, bro. You still seem to really buy into this Hillbilly Elegy narrative despite there being zero evidence to support it. Trump's base is about racism and lib tears. It's what he ran on. Look no further than Ed Gillespie's campaign. The end.

Also, liberals DO NOT need to pander to deplorables to win elections. Ralph Northam's campaign is evidence of that.

You are right - she didn't pander. She didn't need to - it was going to be a landslide. She didn't campaign. She had the stupid comment that got the other side riled up. We got Trump and it doesn't taste very good.

Keep rationalizing that the Ds didn't do this to themselves...

There will still be the inevitable swing back because the Rs couldn't govern themselves out of a wet paper bag. But did the Ds take on the tax code when they were in power? Did they come up with a sustainable stimulus? Did they take on the cost drivers of healthcare? No... they need to figure out how to govern as well.

But alas - this will go back to the tribal. The Rs will try to frame the Ds as evil and vice versa and there will continue to be a dearth of ideas to get us onto some kind of sustainable track.

Let's be honest here. Trump won by 100,000 votes in 3 Democratic States. It was the equivalent of getting fouled on a half court heave that goes in to win by 1 point. I'm starting to believe that if it wasn't for Russian meddling that the Clinton would have won. 8 million less people turned out for Clinton than Obama. You can't discount the influence of Russian propaganda and voter suppression getting people to stay home. When Democrats turnout, Democrats win period.

[FAH1223]

Cut military spending, reverse the Bush tax cuts, reverse this tax cut... and you can get the budget deficit back in order?

[stilldropin20]

and trump, trump appears to be right. again.(sung like joy division love will tear us apart)

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[stilldropin20]

Cut military spending, reverse the Bush tax cuts, reverse this tax cut... and you can get the budget deficit back in order?

what about medicare/ medicaid / and social security?
should we keep spending away? Or decrease spending as well as control costs? asking for a friend.

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[stilldropin20]

merry christmas!! even the libs get a tax break!!

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[gtn130]

Yep. Definitely taken out of context

In some ways its similiar to Hillary's "deplorable" statement.

When you read the entire speech it actually fits.

The other funny thing about the 'deplorables' statement is that no matter how you choose to interpret it she was 100% correct

Factual supportable with statistics? OK

Politically the attitude it represents? Completely wrong.

Could Doug Jones have done what he did, with that attitide? Heck could Obama been a won Iowa giving up on likely deplorables?

I'm not talking about winning, though. I'm talking about having a valid point, which she did. It was obviously not a smart thing to say in front of cameras.

[Ruzious]

Cut military spending, reverse the Bush tax cuts, reverse this tax cut... and you can get the budget deficit back in order?

what about medicare/ medicaid / and social security?
should we keep spending away? Or decrease spending as well as control costs? asking for a friend.

We'll have to make tough decisions - made far tougher because of tax cuts for the wealthy - which was horribly irresponsible. Tell your friend. The Trump goal appears to include creating a larger base of poor people.

[cammac]

It is very obvious that as a Canadian I have a differing view than many US citizens and sometimes you may feel that I am preachy!
But in many respects the USA has always been a inward nation with only 36% of Americans holding passports while 60% of Canadians and 75% of Brits & Aussies hold passports. I obviously have traveled more than most people and have had the privillage of living in 5 different countries and visiting many more but still have some on my bucket list.

I just read a interesting account about a American moving to Canada who is obviously a progressive Democrat but still is relaying some of the facts that I have been commenting on. Sure some of you may find it interesting and others just some propaganda?

Every now and then a curious American would ask me: “Ash, why did you choose to move to Canada when the taxes there are so high?”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/19/1726005/-Yes-I-Made-Good-on-My-Vow-to-Move-to-Canada

[cammac]

The Republican Party is the anti abortion party and always runs on the "Family Values" platform. But the reality they don't give a crap about the fetus or the new born and the health and well being of mothers. For that matter Republicans are intent on making things even worse in the future with its attach on essential social services for children and medical services for pregnant women. Missouri is a prime example of a solidly red State and infant mortality!

While Missouri’s rate of mortality is high enough to be seen as comparable to Costa Rica, there are 8 American states — and you can guess by looking at the map, that performs far worse

These rates represent serious problems with access to healthcare in America, and the upcoming passage of the Republican Tax Plan? It will make it even worse.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/19/1725982/-Missouri-s-rate-of-mortality-during-pregnancy-shows-pro-life-governance-gone-wrong

http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/health-care/article190436299.html

[cammac]

The rape of the average Joe has already started by corporate America with the top 1% ready to stuff there pockets. Without any trickle down with the exception if being urinated on is considered trickled down?

The spectacle of companies announcing buybacks before the ink dries on the GOP tax bill ends all debate, if there was any left, on whether the tax cuts will lead to more jobs and better wages, or mass shareholder enrichment.

Other corporations are expected to use the windfall to increase mergers and acquisitions (M&A) or invest in automation.

Oracle, for example—had $52 Billion parked overseas at the end of 2016—the fifth most of any so-called “American” company. The company announced a buyback of $12 Billion six days ago, which will swell, among others, CEO Larry Ellison’s portfolio immensely.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/20/1726099/-Surprise-Corporate-CEO-s-Officers-and-Directors-Are-Already-Pocketing-Their-Massive-Tax-Cut

[Wizardspride]

At this point I just have to


There's a part of that kinda admires how brazen the GOP is.

They just don't give a ****.

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[Pointgod]

At this point I just have to

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But guys both parties as equally as bad

[Wizardspride]

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But guys both parties as equally as bad

Right....

[stilldropin20]

The Republican Party is the anti abortion party and always runs on the "Family Values" platform. But the reality they don't give a crap about the fetus or the new born and the health and well being of mothers. For that matter Republicans are intent on making things even worse in the future with its attach on essential social services for children and medical services for pregnant women. Missouri is a prime example of a solidly red State and infant mortality!

While Missouri’s rate of mortality is high enough to be seen as comparable to Costa Rica, there are 8 American states — and you can guess by looking at the map, that performs far worse

These rates represent serious problems with access to healthcare in America, and the upcoming passage of the Republican Tax Plan? It will make it even worse.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/19/1725982/-Missouri-s-rate-of-mortality-during-pregnancy-shows-pro-life-governance-gone-wrong

http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/health-care/article190436299.html

the pro abortion crowd is odd. especially late term. no body loves puppies more than liberals. If a man like Mike Vick fights dogs then they want strip him of all of his money and throw him in jail forever...and for the record, i love puppies and dogs in general and feel the same. But when it comes to actual human beings, that are fully formed babies at 5 months? Human beings!!

let me put it like this, If there was a video of fully formed puppy abortions their would be an outrage...and likely to the point of law makers enacting laws against it. and liberals would lead the charge. and I'd support them.

but when it comes to humans? not so much. only conservatives are outraged. this makes no sense to me.

and whats weird to me is its not hard to not get pregnant when your not trying. Only the complete jackasses with nothing to lose spray there seed around so carelessly. I know. I was once one of those broke dick jackasses. and i got lucky. I remember thinking back then, "whats the worse thing that can happen, public aid?" and thats why public aid needs to change. or go away completely. we cant just keep giving people money because they had a child. It sets a harmful reward system that looks like a reward but is fools gold. Instead people need to understand that they will suffer if they have children before they can pay for it.

and along those line? I say bring back debtors prison. If a man is not paying for his child support then throw him in a workers prison. pay him $8 per hour and make him work 14 hours per day. with half paying for his food and shelter and the other half paying for his child support. That'll phunkin teach em!! and every month give them 4 days off to get a job. I'll bet my azz out on halsted that they will find work. real quick. There i just fixed welfare!!! and i havent even finished my breakfast. What else ya got for me?

PS: and i fixed abortion. they'll be keeing it in their pants or pullin it prematurely out fa sho. thank you very much.

[gtn130]

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But guys both parties as equally as bad

Yup. On one side we have the endorsement of pedophiles and rampant looting/grifting, and on the other we have Hillary's emails and Donna Brazile.

Same thing!

[Zonkerbl]

Yep. Definitely taken out of context

In some ways its similiar to Hillary's "deplorable" statement.

When you read the entire speech it actually fits.

Yes to all three. Pelosi was taken out of context - but it was still true and is to this day.

Hillary take out of context but still how she felt. Listen to the speech and you can hear it. It is exactly how she feels...

The Rs not knowing what is in the bill - they do but only the parts they want to know. And they don't realize how complicated they just made our tax code. They don't understand the unintended consequence.

Ugly all around. None of the three understood the unintended consequences of their statements/actions.

In regards to Hillary, we can debate whether she was correct but yeah, she definitely feels/felt that way/

It's how I feel too. I think Trump's base in particular is more than 50% racist nazi sh@#heads. These are people I grew up with in Ohio - they all used to be Union Democrats, which is the main reason my parents always voted third party candidates. We had no illusions. They used to be "our" deplorables so their despicable behavior was fine, but now that they're Trump's deplorables they are evil incarnate. And you guys were right about Bill Clinton all along too. Ok? Ok.

Democrats need to focus on grassroots local issues, representing the people that got them elected (*cough BLACK WOMEN cough*), and focus less on hating the other side. It's satisfying but all it does is turn people off to politics and lowers turnout. Like Danica Roem, don't be the party of LBTQ+ issues, be the party of solving traffic issues. Solve real world problems and people will forgive you of just about everything. I will vote for the next candidate of either party who plans to solve the opioid crisis by decriminalizing it and expanding Obamacare provisions for trying to lure people into rehab. That's my single issue I'll be voting about in 2020.

My sister the doctor says the main problem with the opioid crisis is the requirement in the doctor's manual (or whatever it's called) that pain be treated. That means if a patient complains of pain and you don't treat it, you are liable for malpractice. Boom, opioid addiction epidemic. I don't know how to fix that part of it.

[FAH1223]

Cut military spending, reverse the Bush tax cuts, reverse this tax cut... and you can get the budget deficit back in order?

what about medicare/ medicaid / and social security?
should we keep spending away? Or decrease spending as well as control costs? asking for a friend.

Social Security has a fix... lift the cap on taxable income

[dckingsfan]

This is the sausage part of carveouts. Texas got a huge carveout in this case. And NY, oh wait, there weren't any senators they cared about? Remember Henry Reid and the casino carveout?

Once you go down the carveout path the slope gets very slippery.

At this point I just have to

There's a part of that kinda admires how brazen the GOP is.

They just don't give a ****.

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