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Political Roundtable Part XXIV

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1821 » by stilldropin20 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:59 pm

ok...fair enough...you guys just want your own echo chamber. So I am going to take a step back and give it to you.

But before I do I gotta few last parting words.


My goal in coming here is to show you guys that Trump supporters are not just crusty old white hillbillies sleeping on a dirty old raggedy couch in a shack with a gun with a piece tape dangling from the handle hidden in the holes of his dirty exposed couch cushion. Rather. We are diligent. We are educated. We are capable. We are experienced. We are successful. We are smart. Very smart. We are relentless. And as much as you wont understand this...we simply...know more than you about almost everything. We are also much "cooler and sophisticated" then you will ever know or understand. We smile in your face on the street when you spout off with your liberal fallacies because its good for our businesses. We own and developed those high end rental units you just moved into or the new home you just bought from us. We are your lawyers. We are your doctors. Your police. Your fire fighters. Your teachers. We are brown. And We are black. And we smile back to appease you. We know you like to mix up emotions with logic so as to never get to the logic. We know. We are way out in front of you because we were once (over) emotional beings just like you. The difference is we learned to control our emotions to not let it get in the way of using logic. Thats why we are so successful. Because we allow logic to trump emotion. And dont get it twisted. We're not stoics. We also hav emore fun that you do. We party harder and better. We be bored to death at your parties and you dream of an invite to our parties. We have all of this because...simply...We live unafraid. Fear doesn't rule us. Logic does. We left it all on the table. We left no rounds in the chamber. We live guilt free. And because we have no fear we love just as big if not bigger. We are NOT afraid to love. This experience of "living life bigger and better" makes us more prepared for leadership than you are. We have more life experiences. We dreamed more. We dreamed bigger. We were strong enough to stare down our own dreams and have the ballz to chase after them. So we took more risks. Made more calculation. logic didn't hamper us. It emboldened us. Along the way we learned more about ourselves and human nature and human behavior then you will ever know. ^^That's a fact, Jack. And you need to come to terms with it so you can free yourselves of the fear. The lies. The self doubt. See...its fear and self doubt that makes you want to listen to those that promise "free stuff."

You're weak and you dont know why. In fact, you dont even know you're weak.

And I'm here to let you know that YOU have a real problem. The problem is you're afraid. And you dont even know why. You dont understand that this entire left wing media and political platform exists to solely do one thing. KEEP YOU AFRAID. Your party and media fear mongers everything. The weather. The russians. The (white) neighbor next door. The president. anything and everything. Except drugs crossing our border..."nothing to fear there"...according to CNN...because they never talk about it. They never talk about the 75,000 over doses per year on drugs 90% of which come across our southern border. The high UE rates in the poor neighborhoods in our cities (still over 10%)...nothing to fear there either because democrats control the cities. Shipping our jobs overseas or to mexico??..."nothing to fear there either"...and in fact CNN has been purposefully telling YOU that YOU should be a global citizen of the world for about a decade. That if things get bad enough here, you can just move to central america...cosrta rica...singapore...like anthony bourdain lol...Canada...CNN tells you that you should fear "democratic" russia but not fear communist china (where muslims are hoarded up by the millions and put in concentration camps). Dont fear any that!! Just fear the weather!! Fear climate change!! "OMG!! its cold outside today! cancel all work. cancel all schools!! Be afraid!! Be very afraid! But dont fear the drugs coming into our country...na...nothing to see there." Be afraid yon fellow liberals...be very afraid.

Do yourself a favor...for one week...watch CNN and strictly count how many times per day they tell you about things you should fear. Put aside your (fake news created) actual fears of whether trump is a double agent or not and just count it up...then watch Fox news and do the same. You'll be amazed at the amount of fear mongering on liberal news.

CNN wants you to fear those things because democrats want to further regulate american businesses. They bring "race" into everything to replace logic with emotion. So long as you fear these things democrats will continue to blindly control you. With that control that will keep you down. And keep blaming it on that "old crusty white guy" sleeping on his dirty couch with a gun under the cushion. With that blind control that will use it to further tax american businesses out of your cities. thats the liberal agenda. tax the crap our of american businesses so these business close up shop and move to china. That was the Bill Clinton game plan. And that's why foreign countries in the middle east, india, and china paid Bill Clinton $500K per speaking engagement as his wife was running and in office. The clinton's got rich while you in poor urban america got poor. and worse, were jailed for selling weed and coke on the street to make ends meet. So you grew up fatherless. Which is kinda like rudderless. A ship at sea with no direction. No discipline. Easy to control your thoughts and minds. And now here you...scared to death. I see it in your posts day after day. Fear abounds. fear. fear. fear.

You are so scared you are compelled to shut up that one guy (me :roll: ) in the politics thread with an opposing view. "Shut him up!! He scares me!! I'm afraid!!"

And you've lost all sense of direction. Your ship has no rudder. Your ploiticians no actual ideas...besides scaring you into thinking you need "free stuff." But....its your party that created the fear to begin with as they began to kill off the "american dream" for good in 1979 when Jimmy Carter signed the "China first" policy. It was "intended" to make China a strong ally and help China. Because they had a billions of people that were literally starving to death. In return for "helping china," Chinese Rothschild Central Bankers agreed to buy our debt. That was the deal then and its still the deal now. Except the rothschilds are now out of central and private banking (they got to big for it...so now they strictly finance mergers and acquisition...you know...like when GE mergers with Baker Hughes. (oh wait...you dont know...you dont know anything, really)...but that was the deal. Grow china. Grow China's middle class. Make China and ally. China would buy our debt. problem is China's middle class is now and has been growing stronger than ours. and We handed it to them. The chinese "dream" is alive and well...until Trump took office and hit them with tariffs and had the audacity to questioned any of this. To question our trade balance with China. And to impose tariffs until China balnaced trade with us and agrees to pay for the use of our intellectual property.

But again...i ask...who suffered the most from 1980-2014? From the 1970's-2018 the border was wide open and the drugs poured in. By 1992 our cities were so damaged by loss of low end jobs with little low income that we had an epidemic of crack in our cities just to take the temporary pain away. And gangerstaers and dealers on the street were killling each other at high rates to take control of street corner distribution. The real jobs were gone because the democrats in our cities raised taxes and created a ton of regulations forcing the city factory out to the burbs or out to small town america. By 2008-2016 those same factories now moved from the burbs and small town america and into China as Obama pushed regulation into the extinction of the american manufacturing. "Those jobs were gone," said Obama. And YOU BELIEVED HIM!!! Why?? Because you thought he was cool? :nonono: Years passed and more and more drugs keep coming in. From 1980-2000, The city drug dealers began to sprawl out to small town america and before we could blink the entire country was now hooked on or using at least some drug or another. Prescription opiods had entered the fray over the last 20 years and as it stands right now...americans are not that healthy nor can they think straight. Some of you posting in this very thread might strictly be democrats because you want free health care because you want free opiods. And that's just part of what trump and the rest of the country is up against. that's the "logic" we face. We've got some democrats...that are democrats...just because want free drugs. Or because of all the pain from fear of taking risks, to unpreparedness for life, from a rudderless childhood with no father, and the subsequent low income, and turning to drug "to ease the pain" use they now have real health issues...nothing that a good detox and healthy eating and exercise couldn't fix...but that's "too hard." So our demcrats now just want to give them free health care instead and free opiods (that their neighbor who stayed off drugs and exercises regularly can pay for it!!...just ask them! Just ask bernie! Ask AOC!...your neighbor will pay for your unhealthy life style!!).

If all of that wasn't enough....to further complicate all of this for our inner city poor folks... clinton signed the 1992 crime bill which locked up a ton of black and brown. Clinton also shipped even more jobs overseas with his WTO and NAFTA deals. So much that now even small town america also began losing their manufacturing plants to china and mexico. Obama poured gasoline on the regulation democratic palybook. The media palys along with fear mongering (first global warming, now climate change) so they can get you all riled up about the warm days AND the cold days as well as when its raining, snowing...heck...pretty soon it will begin to be too sunny. Just wait for it. It's coming to CNN headline any day now, "study says: its too nice and sunny outside to be safe!!"

Ya know...i saw a headline on CNN 2 days ago...that I remember from the early 90's when i was told then by CBS, CNN, NBC and Time and Details magazine that the "american dream" was dead. That i was the first generation in america that would not do better than my parents. Boy were they wrong. Completely wrong. Colossally wrong.

Shortly after TIME, CNN, and Details said the american dream was dead. That I was a failure and it "wasn't my fault. Shortly after being told I would fail...something happened...call it a miracle...and almost nobody saw coming. As the American dream lay dying for our economically poor black and brown folks in our cities (all lead by democrats) throughout the 80's and 90's...as the american dream just layed there... dying...my generation, Gen X, gave the american dream life again. Gave you life. We developed the internet. Something you snot nosed kids take for granted...and suddenly the american dream sucked in a massive breath and opened its eyes for the first time in a decades. Gen X was going to be just fine. We had the internet and a bunch of new ways to monetize our talents. Alas, The american dream was not dead!

And then 2 nights ago CNN just told me that the american dream was dead again...and after being wrong about it 30 years ago when scared me into believing that i would be the first generation to not do better then my parents, they were now telling the snot nosed kids the same lie they told me 30 years ago.

The same crap I hear on CNN today is the same crap they said 30 years ago. Yet somehow Gen X did end up doing much better than their parents. Because something amazing happened. We dreamed. We created. And My generation and the generation before mine developed something entirely new...the internet. And the economy exploded for about 10 years. Almost Like it did in the 50's and 60's.

In the late 90's...As this new (internet driven) economy exploded, Clinton regulated jobs out of america while deregulating banks. Does that make any sense? The deregulation of banking allowed banks to give money away to unworthy credit risks. That came back to bite us in the ass. and took a huge Chunk. Obama, while stylish in appearance Obama was unsophisticated in substance. He let the banks off the hook and delivered an almost final death blow to middle class america. He let the banks take their homes. 11,000,000 and counting loss their home and 10,000,000 more lost equity in their home and are still "upside down" on the mortgage. Democrats had to blame someone for their poor management...so they blamed "crusty old whitey again." it works every damn time.

Until 2016. When crusty old whitey and poor black and brown urban folks began to discover they had a common enemy: Clinton and Obama Democrats and Bush republicans that ship our jobs overseas and allow open borders where drugs and an over supply of unskilled labor comes into our country. <---Because that my friends...that alone is what is the driving force behind killing off the american dream. Thats what you really need to fear...but really...you dont need to fear it at all...you just need to understand it.

So you're still scared? As America is pushed further and harder into debt funding wars and shipping jobs overseas...feeding china's and india's middle class instead of our own? So you feel like you missed out? If you're over 45 and lived through all of that and still afraid? Afraid of the weather? You lived through the cold war and you're still afraid of russia? Still Afraid of crusty old whitey? And now you're afraid of the damn weather??? If you're still a liberal after all of that....the only thing you should fear is fear itself.

And now you're afraid that trump supporters like me wont be fooled by your fodder? That we still support him no matter what crap the liberal media throws at him today. Your fear of everything makes you pissed that Trump is not losing support no matter what happens. So You're mad at me because i represent trumps unwavering support?? You cant stand it that fear mongering doesn't work on me? These old tricks of fake racism are working anymore? The fake news in general that criticizes his style and never looks at the substance. Never looks at the UE rates. The increased wages. The souring tax and tariff revenue even though we all got a tax cut. the stable interest rates in strong economy? The souring stock market. You dont care about the substance...just the style, huh?? Weird. I guess that's why you loved Obama so much..."obama was cool." With his 17% unemployment rates and 10 million people losing their homes!! that was cool!! And maybe Obama was cool. But Obama's substance was the weakest brand of leadership we've seen in that office since Jimmy Carter. With Trump you have on point substance making a real difference in this economy. I personally dont mind trump's clumsy troll style. It doesn't bother me. He knows what all the fear mongering and race baiting that he is up against. You dont seem to understand (or willing to accept) that (acting) clumsy is part of Trump's schtick.


Here's another thing to throw into this dumpster fire of the democratic party: Many of them are well off. Thats' right! Well off haterz! Nothing more than haters with incomes at $70-120K. These well off haters like cheap good. See...You get to "live" like an earner of 250K so long your goods and services are very cheap. Thats why they support illegal immigration and shipping our jobs off to china. <--and most of those haters are federal employees. They have a "high floor" on salary but low ceiling. They will earn over $70K but less than $125K. And they will never take a real risk to open their own small business. Nor will they ever drive through the south side of chicago, or harlem, or Baltimore. They just want their cheap goods and NOW THEY WANT FREE HEALTH CARE and cheap handy man services so they can have more money left over for their new honda, their little boat, and their all-inclusive vacation down in the gulf of mexico. And thats why they are democrats. They could care less about you!! That's also a FACT, JACK!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1822 » by Ruzious » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:10 pm

closg00 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:Trump's base might be mad that he caved but so what? It's not like they're going to vote any differently bc of it. They won't even budge to support reasonable R's like Kasich or Hogan

Hogan's a fascinating case. His success as a Republican in Maryland has been nothing less than amazing. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he makes a serious run at getting the Republican nomination for pres.


Hogan is just raising his profile, he knows he has zero chance of unseating Trump

I wouldn't say it's a guarantee that Trump will be running.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1823 » by thebigbird » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:13 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:https://www.npr.org/2019/01/29/689758253/police-say-empire-actor-jussie-smollett-attacked-in-possible-hate-crime

Awful. But TMZ may have invented the part about them yelling "this is MAGA country"

Trump needs to come out and denounce this disgusting crime. These people have become emboldened since Trump took office.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1824 » by Ruzious » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:13 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:ok...fair enough...you guys just want your own echo chamber. So I am going to take a step back and give it to you.

But before I do I gotta few last parting words.

My goal...


Nobody read farther than that, and you failed in your goal. Buhbye.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1825 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:17 pm

It is an interesting mental exercise - what would actually cause a core Trump supporter to abandon Trump? Particularly since a number of people who voted for Trump are presumably "mainstream" Republicans who held their nose and voted for Trump. So if it's possible to get a hardcore deficit-hawk, free trade, all in for globalism economic conservative to toss all that aside and vote for basically the opposite of all that, these are people who are eminently persuadable and in theory it must be possible to get these moral relativists to flip flop over to something else. And yet nothing that Trump has done has actually persuaded any of these ethics-for-sale hypocrites to abandon Trump. Hm.

I don't know - after I divorced my ex I promised I would not try to get into the mind of crazy people any more, therein lies madness. I guess that applies here as well.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1826 » by stilldropin20 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:25 pm

Ruzious wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:ok...fair enough...you guys just want your own echo chamber. So I am going to take a step back and give it to you.

But before I do I gotta few last parting words.


My goal in coming here is to show you guys that Trump supporters are not just crusty old white hillbillies sleeping on a dirty old raggedy couch in a shack with a gun with a piece tape dangling from the handle hidden in the holes of his dirty exposed couch cushion. Rather. We are diligent. We are educated. We are capable. We are experienced. We are successful. We are smart. Very smart. We are relentless. And as much as you wont understand this...we simply...know more than you about almost everything. We are also much "cooler and sophisticated" then you will ever know or understand. We smile in your face on the street when you spout off with your liberal fallacies because its good for our businesses. We own and developed those high end rental units you just moved into or the new home you just bought from us. We are your lawyers. We are your doctors. Your police. Your fire fighters. Your teachers. We are brown. And We are black. And we smile back to appease you. We know you like to mix up emotions with logic so as to never get to the logic. We know. We are way out in front of you because we were once (over) emotional beings just like you. The difference is we learned to control our emotions to not let it get in the way of using logic. Thats why we are so successful. Because we allow logic to trump emotion. And dont get it twisted. We're not stoics. We also hav emore fun that you do. We party harder and better. We be bored to death at your parties and you dream of an invite to our parties. We have all of this because...simply...We live unafraid. Fear doesn't rule us. Logic does. We left it all on the table. We left no rounds in the chamber. We live guilt free. And because we have no fear we love just as big if not bigger. We are NOT afraid to love. This experience of "living life bigger and better" makes us more prepared for leadership than you are. We have more life experiences. We dreamed more. We dreamed bigger. We were strong enough to stare down our own dreams and have the ballz to chase after them. So we took more risks. Made more calculation. logic didn't hamper us. It emboldened us. Along the way we learned more about ourselves and human nature and human behavior then you will ever know. ^^That's a fact, Jack. And you need to come to terms with it so you can free yourselves of the fear. The lies. The self doubt. See...its fear and self doubt that makes you want to listen to those that promise "free stuff."

You're weak and you dont know why. In fact, you dont even know you're weak.

And I'm here to let you know that YOU have a real problem. The problem is you're afraid. And you dont even know why. You dont understand that this entire left wing media and political platform exists to solely do one thing. KEEP YOU AFRAID. Your party and media fear mongers everything. The weather. The russians. The (white) neighbor next door. The president. anything and everything. Except drugs crossing our border..."nothing to fear there"...according to CNN...because they never talk about it. They never talk about the 75,000 over doses per year on drugs 90% of which come across our southern border. The high UE rates in the poor neighborhoods in our cities (still over 10%)...nothing to fear there either because democrats control the cities. Shipping our jobs overseas or to mexico??..."nothing to fear there either"...and in fact CNN has been purposefully telling YOU that YOU should be a global citizen of the world for about a decade. That if things get bad enough here, you can just move to central america...cosrta rica...singapore...like anthony bourdain lol...Canada...CNN tells you that you should fear "democratic" russia but not fear communist china (where muslims are hoarded up by the millions and put in concentration camps). Dont fear any that!! Just fear the weather!! Fear climate change!! "OMG!! its cold outside today! cancel all work. cancel all schools!! Be afraid!! Be very afraid! But dont fear the drugs coming into our country...na...nothing to see there." Be afraid yon fellow liberals...be very afraid.

Do yourself a favor...for one week...watch CNN and strictly count how many times per day they tell you about things you should fear. Put aside your (fake news created) actual fears of whether trump is a double agent or not and just count it up...then watch Fox news and do the same. You'll be amazed at the amount of fear mongering on liberal news.

CNN wants you to fear those things because democrats want to further regulate american businesses. They bring "race" into everything to replace logic with emotion. So long as you fear these things democrats will continue to blindly control you. With that control that will keep you down. And keep blaming it on that "old crusty white guy" sleeping on his dirty couch with a gun under the cushion. With that blind control that will use it to further tax american businesses out of your cities. thats the liberal agenda. tax the crap our of american businesses so these business close up shop and move to china. That was the Bill Clinton game plan. And that's why foreign countries in the middle east, india, and china paid Bill Clinton $500K per speaking engagement as his wife was running and in office. The clinton's got rich while you in poor urban america got poor. and worse, were jailed for selling weed and coke on the street to make ends meet. So you grew up fatherless. Which is kinda like rudderless. A ship at sea with no direction. No discipline. Easy to control your thoughts and minds. And now here you...scared to death. I see it in your posts day after day. Fear abounds. fear. fear. fear.

You are so scared you are compelled to shut up that one guy (me :roll: ) in the politics thread with an opposing view. "Shut him up!! He scares me!! I'm afraid!!"

And you've lost all sense of direction. Your ship has no rudder. Your ploiticians no actual ideas...besides scaring you into thinking you need "free stuff." But....its your party that created the fear to begin with as they began to kill off the "american dream" for good in 1979 when Jimmy Carter signed the "China first" policy. It was "intended" to make China a strong ally and help China. Because they had a billions of people that were literally starving to death. In return for "helping china," Chinese Rothschild Central Bankers agreed to buy our debt. That was the deal then and its still the deal now. Except the rothschilds are now out of central and private banking (they got to big for it...so now they strictly finance mergers and acquisition...you know...like when GE mergers with Baker Hughes. (oh wait...you dont know...you dont know anything, really)...but that was the deal. Grow china. Grow China's middle class. Make China and ally. China would buy our debt. problem is China's middle class is now and has been growing stronger than ours. and We handed it to them. The chinese "dream" is alive and well...until Trump took office and hit them with tariffs and had the audacity to questioned any of this. To question our trade balance with China. And to impose tariffs until China balnaced trade with us and agrees to pay for the use of our intellectual property.

But again...i ask...who suffered the most from 1980-2014? From the 1970's-2018 the border was wide open and the drugs poured in. By 1992 our cities were so damaged by loss of low end jobs with little low income that we had an epidemic of crack in our cities just to take the temporary pain away. And gangsters and dealers on the street were killling each other at high rates to take control of street corner distribution. The real jobs were gone because the democrats in our cities raised taxes and created a ton of regulations forcing the city factory out to the burbs or out to small town america. By 2008-2016 those same factories now moved from the burbs and small town america and into China as Obama pushed regulation into the extinction of the american manufacturing. "Those jobs were gone," said Obama. And YOU BELIEVED HIM!!! Why?? Because you thought he was cool? :nonono: Years passed and more and more drugs keep coming in. From 1980-2000, The city drug dealers began to sprawl out to small town america and before we could blink the entire country was now hooked on or using at least some drug or another. Prescription opiods had entered the fray over the last 20 years and as it stands right now...americans are not that healthy nor can they think straight. Some of you posting in this very thread might strictly be democrats because you want free health care because you want free opiods. And that's just part of what trump and the rest of the country is up against. that's the "logic" we face. We've got some democrats...that are democrats...just because want free drugs. Or because of all the pain from fear of taking risks, to unpreparedness for life, from a rudderless childhood with no father, and the subsequent low income, and turning to drug "to ease the pain" use they now have real health issues...nothing that a good detox and healthy eating and exercise couldn't fix...but that's "too hard." So our demcrats now just want to give them free health care instead and free opiods (that their neighbor who stayed off drugs and exercises regularly can pay for it!!...just ask them! Just ask bernie! Ask AOC!...your neighbor will pay for your unhealthy life style!!).

If all of that wasn't enough....to further complicate all of this for our inner city poor folks... clinton signed the 1992 crime bill which locked up a ton of black and brown. Clinton also shipped even more jobs overseas with his WTO and NAFTA deals. So much that now even small town america also began losing their manufacturing plants to china and mexico. Obama poured gasoline on the regulation democratic palybook. The media palys along with fear mongering (first global warming, now climate change) so they can get you all riled up about the warm days AND the cold days as well as when its raining, snowing...heck...pretty soon it will begin to be too sunny. Just wait for it. It's coming to CNN headline any day now, "study says: its too nice and sunny outside to be safe!!"

Ya know...i saw a headline on CNN 2 days ago...that I remember from the early 90's when i was told then by CBS, CNN, NBC and Time and Details magazine that the "american dream" was dead. That i was the first generation in america that would not do better than my parents. Boy were they wrong. Completely wrong. Colossally wrong.

Shortly after TIME, CNN, and Details said the american dream was dead. That I was a failure and it "wasn't my fault. Shortly after being told I would fail...something happened...call it a miracle...and almost nobody saw coming. As the American dream lay dying for our economically poor black and brown folks in our cities (all lead by democrats) throughout the 80's and 90's...as the american dream just layed there... dying...my generation, Gen X, gave the american dream life again. Gave you life. We developed the internet. Something you snot nosed kids take for granted...and suddenly the american dream sucked in a massive breath and opened its eyes for the first time in a decades. Gen X was going to be just fine. We had the internet and a bunch of new ways to monetize our talents. Alas, The american dream was not dead!

And then 2 nights ago CNN just told me that the american dream was dead again...and after being wrong about it 30 years ago when scared me into believing that i would be the first generation to not do better then my parents, they were now telling the snot nosed kids the same lie they told me 30 years ago.

The same crap I hear on CNN today is the same crap they said 30 years ago. Yet somehow Gen X did end up doing much better than their parents. Because something amazing happened. We dreamed. We created. And My generation and the generation before mine developed something entirely new...the internet. And the economy exploded for about 10 years. Almost Like it did in the 50's and 60's.

In the late 90's...As this new (internet driven) economy exploded, Clinton regulated jobs out of america while deregulating banks. Does that make any sense? The deregulation of banking allowed banks to give money away to unworthy credit risks. That came back to bite us in the ass. and took a huge Chunk. Obama, while stylish in appearance Obama was unsophisticated in substance. He let the banks off the hook and delivered an almost final death blow to middle class america. He let the banks take their homes. 11,000,000 and counting loss their home and 10,000,000 more lost equity in their home and are still "upside down" on the mortgage. Democrats had to blame someone for their poor management...so they blamed "crusty old whitey again." it works every damn time.

Until 2016. When crusty old whitey and poor black and brown urban folks began to discover they had a common enemy: Clinton and Obama Democrats and Bush republicans that ship our jobs overseas and allow open borders where drugs and an over supply of unskilled labor comes into our country. <---Because that my friends...that alone is what is the driving force behind killing off the american dream. Thats what you really need to fear...but really...you dont need to fear it at all...you just need to understand it.

So you're still scared? As America is pushed further and harder into debt funding wars and shipping jobs overseas...feeding china's and india's middle class instead of our own? So you feel like you missed out? If you're over 45 and lived through all of that and still afraid? Afraid of the weather? You lived through the cold war and you're still afraid of russia? Still Afraid of crusty old whitey? And now you're afraid of the damn weather??? If you're still a liberal after all of that....the only thing you should fear is fear itself.

And now you're afraid that trump supporters like me wont be fooled by your fodder? That we still support him no matter what crap the liberal media throws at him today. Your fear of everything makes you pissed that Trump is not losing support no matter what happens. So You're mad at me because i represent trumps unwavering support?? You cant stand it that fear mongering doesn't work on me? These old tricks of fake racism are working anymore? The fake news in general that criticizes his style and never looks at the substance. Never looks at the UE rates. The increased wages. The souring tax and tariff revenue even though we all got a tax cut. the stable interest rates in strong economy? The souring stock market. You dont care about the substance...just the style, huh?? Weird. I guess that's why you loved Obama so much..."obama was cool." With his 17% unemployment rates and 10 million people losing their homes!! that was cool!! And maybe Obama was cool. But Obama's substance was the weakest brand of leadership we've seen in that office since Jimmy Carter. With Trump you have on point substance making a real difference in this economy. I personally dont mind trump's clumsy troll style. It doesn't bother me. He knows what all the fear mongering and race baiting that he is up against. You dont seem to understand (or willing to accept) that (acting) clumsy is part of Trump's schtick.


Here's another thing to throw into this dumpster fire of the democratic party: Many of them are well off. Thats' right! Well off haterz! Nothing more than haters with incomes at $70-120K. These well off haters like cheap good. See...You get to "live" like an earner of 250K so long your goods and services are very cheap. Thats why they support illegal immigration and shipping our jobs off to china. <--and most of those haters are federal employees. They have a "high floor" on salary but low ceiling. They will earn over $70K but less than $125K. And they will never take a real risk to open their own small business. Nor will they ever drive through the south side of chicago, or harlem, or Baltimore. They just want their cheap goods and NOW THEY WANT FREE HEALTH CARE and cheap handy man services so they can have more money left over for their new honda, their little boat, and their all-inclusive vacation down in the gulf of mexico. And thats why they are democrats. They could care less about you!! That's also a FACT, JACK!


Nobody read farther than that, and you failed in your goal. Buhbye.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1827 » by pancakes3 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:40 pm

pretty sure SD just demonstrated resoundingly what would and wouldn't move the needle for trumpers.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1828 » by Ruzious » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:42 pm

SD, no I didn't, and you were completely wrong the other day, but that's not important. You really need to wake up, and look at what you're saying. You really don't even believe in half the things Trump stands for (and neither does Trump - but that's another issue), but you LOVE him - unconditionally. If you didn't, you'd be calling him a 5 time draft dodger. Think about why you love him - I don't think you've done that - unless you've rotted from the inside out. Ciao.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1829 » by JWizmentality » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:08 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1830 » by Wizardspride » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:24 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1831 » by Wizardspride » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:43 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1832 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:53 pm

Oh, and now the Chicago sheriff's office are confessing that yeah, Jussie Smollet did say he heard some MAGA related comments during the attack.

SMDH

Come on you guys, get it together.

Guess we have to wait for Smollet to regain consciousness and tell us what he remembers.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1833 » by Ruzious » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:47 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Oh, and now the Chicago sheriff's office are confessing that yeah, Jussie Smollet did say he heard some MAGA related comments during the attack.

SMDH

Come on you guys, get it together.

Guess we have to wait for Smollet to regain consciousness and tell us what he remembers.


Eh, that's just MAGA-13 gang members doing their thing.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1834 » by doclinkin » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:40 am

Ruzious wrote:I can't criticise our mods for this situation. I think Monte had the balls to accept responsibility, and that puts him in a no-win situation - for which he gets paid nothing. Unfortunately, SD has taken advantage of his kindness. While I would have handled things differently (which I've told him more than once), gotta respect that Monte's done what he's thought was best for the board. Just my take - I am not trying to be a backseat moderator.



I think Monte is doing a superlative job.

My heads up was to my man STD who is mostly clowning for his own amusement. But like obscenity, what is acceptable is determined by community standards. Here some level of pushing the envelope is fine. But some of it leads others to push back and then it's just gorillas in different cages flinging feces at each other. Only um, less funny than that. And at some point there will be pushback that snuffs a poster who crowds other quieter more measured voices off the board. As STD well knows it is entirely possible to wear out your welcome even in the most tolerant crew. So the boards will police their own. And he'd be forced out. Again. Again again. And yet a few more agains. Is he even tolerated on the Bulls board? LOL

But still. As far as I'm concerned this board is better even when we have someone playing villain. Or being disagreeable. Hell people like to argue if there's something to be made of it. My point was mostly give it some air. Distill it to one post a day or something. Too much of one voice drives everyone else away. Noone is buying a ticket to the StillDrop show. Shrug.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1835 » by closg00 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:16 am

WP already posted it, but it is so outrageous that I have to give a 2nd post. Absolutely shameless
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1836 » by queridiculo » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:48 am

McConnell is just a vile human being. If there was ever a person to wish ill on, it's guys like him that manipulate, connive and corrupt everything around them.

Despicable, what kind of society do we live in where people can just lie, lie and lie and have a good portion of the constituents not so much as raise an eyebrow?

No decency, no moral fiber, just disgusting through and through, a proper villain.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1837 » by verbal8 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:23 am

dobrojim wrote:Especially when Trump has resistance to his Right. His base will tolerate anything except being a loser. Especially if it is because he isn't extreme enough.


Not completely sure that's correct. I think his base will stick with him as long as he tries
to stick it to the people his base wants him to stick it to. That more than anything else
is what seems to make them the most happy.


I should have been more precise. I don't see many of Trump's current supporters completely flipping. I see it more of going from supporting Trump to not caring. To basically seeing Trump as no better than any other politician and not worth voting for/supporting.

If Trump sidelines a significant portion of Republicans, he becomes very vulnerable even if they don't completely turn on him. The Republicans could be vulnerable to losing the Senate in 2020 if they can't rely on strong turn out from their base. AZ, ME and CO seem like obvious possibilities to flip. The Dems will probably lose AL.

But one long shot flip would even the Senate:
GA - I wouldn't sleep on Abrams with 2 more years to build her turn-out/fight voter suppression
IA - leans right, but they don't seem in love with Trump
KS - the state GOP is a disaster and they won't have an incumbent
NC - maybe 2 or 4 years too soon, but the demographics are changing
KY/TN/TX - these are probably the biggest long-shots, but a strong candidate could make them winnable
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1838 » by Zonkerbl » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:48 pm

Texas is going to turn eventually. The problem is Florida is going in the other direction. I hate having to rely on giving felons the vote to have a chance in Florida. I agree it's good policy but it has bad optics.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1839 » by Zonkerbl » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:50 pm

queridiculo wrote:McConnell is just a vile human being. If there was ever a person to wish ill on, it's guys like him that manipulate, connive and corrupt everything around them.

Despicable, what kind of society do we live in where people can just lie, lie and lie and have a good portion of the constituents not so much as raise an eyebrow?

No decency, no moral fiber, just disgusting through and through, a proper villain.


He's on my Arya Stark list of names I repeat to myself before I fall asleep each night.

Trump
Don Jr.
Kavanaugh
Nunes
McConnell
Graham
Gym Jordan ('cause I'm from Ohio)
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIV 

Post#1840 » by gtn130 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:27 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:
queridiculo wrote:McConnell is just a vile human being. If there was ever a person to wish ill on, it's guys like him that manipulate, connive and corrupt everything around them.

Despicable, what kind of society do we live in where people can just lie, lie and lie and have a good portion of the constituents not so much as raise an eyebrow?

No decency, no moral fiber, just disgusting through and through, a proper villain.


He's on my Arya Stark list of names I repeat to myself before I fall asleep each night.

Trump
Don Jr.
Kavanaugh
Nunes
McConnell
Graham
Gym Jordan ('cause I'm from Ohio)


What about Jared?!

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