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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1821 » by Frichuela » Sun May 23, 2021 9:01 pm

Hypothetically, if we traded for Christian Wood successfully, this is how our rota could look like next year:

Westbrook/Neto ($3M 1Y)
Beal/Mann (24th pick)/Matthews ($9M/3Y)
Advija/Vet SF (e.g Torrey Craig at $8M 2Y)
Rui/Bertans
Wood/Gafford/Len ($2M 1Y).

This team would be a nice improvement on the current roster, particularly with a proper (new) coach!
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Post#1822 » by 9 and 20 » Mon May 24, 2021 2:35 am

Frichuela wrote:Hypothetically, if we traded for Christian Wood successfully, this is how our rota could look like next year:

Westbrook/Neto ($3M 1Y)
Beal/Mann (24th pick)/Matthews ($9M/3Y)
Advija/Vet SF (e.g Torrey Craig at $8M 2Y)
Rui/Bertans
Wood/Gafford/Len ($2M 1Y).

This team would be a nice improvement on the current roster, particularly with a proper (new) coach!


Yes, I think that would be a pretty solid team. Top 4-ish in the east? At least as good as New York/Atlanta/Miami were this year.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1823 » by 9 and 20 » Mon May 24, 2021 2:40 am

I'm not sold that we're bringing back the same team. I think some combination of Bryant/Bertans/first round pick are on the table. Hutchison can also be used as salary filler.

No idea who we should bring in, but it's clear we need another rotation-level (at least) forward. Please, no more three-guard lineups next year.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1824 » by gambitx777 » Mon May 24, 2021 4:27 am

Honestly I wouldn't hate it all we do is drop the protections in 2023 which what ever. And a pick swap with Bryant and hutch. I'd be down for that trade I think. But I don't think the money works does it ?
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Problem is I don’t think there is a decent wing available in the trade market for Bryant…even if we add a pick.

Honestly, trading Bryant (plus Hutchison) for Christian Wood is our best bet. At the trade board, a Houston fan suggested this trade. As incentives he suggested lowering a bit the protections on our 2023 1st round pick and swapping out 2021 1st 15th pick for their 24th pick.

I would seriously consider this trade. Imagine the Wiz today if we had Wood as our stating 4 or 5, in a playoff rotation with Gafford and Rui. Wood can hit the 3, put the ball in the floor, block shots. Can play the 4 or the 5. I bet Harris would not have such a good game when facing Wood and his length on D. Finally, picking 24th instead of 15th in this draft is not too bad as there are a few interesting combo guard players who are likely to be in that range: Butler and Tre Mann in particular.

Sure. That's a no-brainer. I don't see Houston doing it though.


But one of their fans suggested it :wink: …And most posters thought the trade was fair..take a look at it.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2082281


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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1825 » by Frichuela » Mon May 24, 2021 10:10 am

gambitx777 wrote:Honestly I wouldn't hate it all we do is drop the protections in 2023 which what ever. And a pick swap with Bryant and hutch. I'd be down for that trade I think. But I don't think the money works does it ?
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nate33 wrote:Sure. That's a no-brainer. I don't see Houston doing it though.


But one of their fans suggested it :wink: …And most posters thought the trade was fair..take a look at it.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2082281


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Yes it does, we’ll be paying just an extra $1 mn next year. Wood (who is signed for 2 more years) will be earning $13.7 mm next year and the combined salaries of Bryant and Hutchison for next year are $12.8 mn.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1826 » by FAH1223 » Mon May 24, 2021 6:08 pm

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1827 » by nate33 » Mon May 24, 2021 6:31 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
Read on Twitter

A couple of minor points:

1. I'm not so sure Neto will cost the BAE. And if he does, I'm not so sure we will pay it. I like Neto, but undersized combo guards aren't hard to find.

2. Vet minimum contracts are $1.49M for vets with 3 years of experience. 2nd round picks and undrafted rookies only cost $900K. I think it's likely that our 14th and 15th roster spots will be dedicated to guys that only cost $900K. (It looks like one of those guys might be Caleb Homesley.)

With those tweaks factored, we could conceivably free up to $8M in luxtax room to spend on an MLE free agent before exceeding the luxtax.

I think our free agency target cannot be predicted until we see who we draft at #15. One big problem is the position where we are in greatest need, a veteran 3&D small forward, is one with few free agents available.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1828 » by FAH1223 » Mon May 24, 2021 7:35 pm

nate33 wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
Read on Twitter

A couple of minor points:

1. I'm not so sure Neto will cost the BAE. And if he does, I'm not so sure we will pay it. I like Neto, but undersized combo guards aren't hard to find.

2. Vet minimum contracts are $1.49M for vets with 3 years of experience. 2nd round picks and undrafted rookies only cost $900K. I think it's likely that our 14th and 15th roster spots will be dedicated to guys that only cost $900K. (It looks like one of those guys might be Caleb Homesley.)

With those tweaks factored, we could conceivably free up to $8M in luxtax room to spend on an MLE free agent before exceeding the luxtax.

I think our free agency target cannot be predicted until we see who we draft at #15. One big problem is the position where we are in greatest need, a veteran 3&D small forward, is one with few free agents available.


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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1829 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon May 24, 2021 8:00 pm

I believe there is an outside possibility that Aaron Wiggins will fill the bill as a 3 and D small forward.
Frichuela wrote:Hypothetically, if we traded for Christian Wood successfully, this is how our rota could look like next year:

Westbrook/Neto ($3M 1Y)
Beal/Mann (24th pick)/Matthews ($9M/3Y)
Advija/Vet SF (e.g Torrey Craig at $8M 2Y)
Rui/Bertans
Wood/Gafford/Len ($2M 1Y).

This team would be a nice improvement on the current roster, particularly with a proper (new) coach!
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FAH1223 wrote:
Read on Twitter

A couple of minor points:

1. I'm not so sure Neto will cost the BAE. And if he does, I'm not so sure we will pay it. I like Neto, but undersized combo guards aren't hard to find.

2. Vet minimum contracts are $1.49M for vets with 3 years of experience. 2nd round picks and undrafted rookies only cost $900K. I think it's likely that our 14th and 15th roster spots will be dedicated to guys that only cost $900K. (It looks like one of those guys might be Caleb Homesley.)

With those tweaks factored, we could conceivably free up to $8M in luxtax room to spend on an MLE free agent before exceeding the luxtax.

I think our free agency target cannot be predicted until we see who we draft at #15. One big problem is the position where we are in greatest need, a veteran 3&D small forward, is one with few free agents available.


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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1830 » by payitforward » Mon May 24, 2021 8:08 pm

Yeah, I don't think that's much of a picture. A few things:

We have 7 guys with guaranteed contracts (Russ, Brad, Davis, Bryant, Rui, Deni & Hutch). We also have options on Gill, Gafford & Mathews, all of which I assume we will pick up. With a 15th pick @$3.4m, we'll be at @$124.5m for 11 players.

That leaves out Smith, Neto, Lopez, Len & Bonga from our current team. It also leaves us without a backup PG (unless it's the R1 pick).

Assuming we keep Len at vet minimum, sign Neto for @$2m, & keep Winston a 2-way player, we'll be @ about $128m with two roster spots open.

We'd be able to sign a vet minimum player (or an extremely cheap young guy) & still have a fair amount of $ under the tax to use on a FA.

Homesley might be that "extremely cheap young guy" -- he is getting $20K this year; i.e. right now. I.e. this is his "guaranteed year." In effect, it's kind of a signing bonus. We have an option on him for next year @ $1.517m. It's a long shot for him to make the team, but we'll see.

The good news is that "...fair amount of $ under the tax to use on a FA."
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1831 » by Ruzious » Mon May 24, 2021 8:34 pm

We don't have an option on Mathews - other than we can match an offer sheet for him. He'll be an RFA this offseason.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1832 » by Ruzious » Mon May 24, 2021 9:19 pm

I'd be willing to give Jeremy Lin a vet minimum contract at age 31. Granted, he only played 9 G League games, but he put up spectacular stats including a TS% of 70.9 and showed he can make 3's - 42.6% on 6.0 attempts per 36 minutes. I think he has a chip on his shoulder - wants to show that some NBA team should have given him a look this season. With Neto and Ish being free agents, we'll need another PG, and he has the size at 6'4 200 to also play some 2.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1833 » by prime1time » Mon May 24, 2021 9:45 pm

What do people think about a sign and trade for Lauri Markannen?
https://www.bulletsforever.com/2021/3/25/22350994/nba-trade-deadline-2021-washington-wizards-chicago-bulls-lauri-markkanen-rumor
We were interested in it earlier this year but didn't want to give up the first round pick. We'd move Rui back to the 3 and put Markannen at the 4. We'd still need a defensive wing, but personally, I like the move.
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Post#1834 » by payitforward » Mon May 24, 2021 11:40 pm

Ruzious wrote:We don't have an option on Mathews - other than we can match an offer sheet for him. He'll be an RFA this offseason.

I was going off of this: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/washington-wizards-team-salary/
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Post#1835 » by payitforward » Mon May 24, 2021 11:41 pm

Ruzious wrote:I'd be willing to give Jeremy Lin a vet minimum contract at age 31. Granted, he only played 9 G League games, but he put up spectacular stats including a TS% of 70.9 and showed he can make 3's - 42.6% on 6.0 attempts per 36 minutes. I think he has a chip on his shoulder - wants to show that some NBA team should have given him a look this season. With Neto and Ish being free agents, we'll need another PG, and he has the size at 6'4 200 to also play some 2.

Absolutely. Why not?
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Post#1836 » by gambitx777 » Tue May 25, 2021 12:51 am

Didn't he officially retire. like he has a ring, has made good money.
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Ruzious wrote:I'd be willing to give Jeremy Lin a vet minimum contract at age 31. Granted, he only played 9 G League games, but he put up spectacular stats including a TS% of 70.9 and showed he can make 3's - 42.6% on 6.0 attempts per 36 minutes. I think he has a chip on his shoulder - wants to show that some NBA team should have given him a look this season. With Neto and Ish being free agents, we'll need another PG, and he has the size at 6'4 200 to also play some 2.

Absolutely. Why not?


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Post#1837 » by Dat2U » Tue May 25, 2021 1:22 am

Ruzious wrote:I'd be willing to give Jeremy Lin a vet minimum contract at age 31. Granted, he only played 9 G League games, but he put up spectacular stats including a TS% of 70.9 and showed he can make 3's - 42.6% on 6.0 attempts per 36 minutes. I think he has a chip on his shoulder - wants to show that some NBA team should have given him a look this season. With Neto and Ish being free agents, we'll need another PG, and he has the size at 6'4 200 to also play some 2.


Agreed. I'm not sure why he doesn't have a job now. And I'm certainly against spending any more than the minimum on Neto or his replacement due to number of decent backup options available

But considering Shepp didn't hesitate to throw $12 mil at Ish & $7 mil at RL, I assume we'll see the bulk of the cap flexibility to go to some head scratching signing this offseason that we'll totally bash but will sorta kinda work out.
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Post#1838 » by gambitx777 » Tue May 25, 2021 2:37 am

I'm optimistic. Our cap situation is a bit tighter this year than those years.

We were talking about Brandon Clarke is he doesn't make his way into the play off rotation I wonder if he would be available via trade ?
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Ruzious wrote:I'd be willing to give Jeremy Lin a vet minimum contract at age 31. Granted, he only played 9 G League games, but he put up spectacular stats including a TS% of 70.9 and showed he can make 3's - 42.6% on 6.0 attempts per 36 minutes. I think he has a chip on his shoulder - wants to show that some NBA team should have given him a look this season. With Neto and Ish being free agents, we'll need another PG, and he has the size at 6'4 200 to also play some 2.


Agreed. I'm not sure why he doesn't have a job now. And I'm certainly against spending any more than the minimum on Neto or his replacement due to number of decent backup options available

But considering Shepp didn't hesitate to throw $12 mil at Ish & $7 mil at RL, I assume we'll see the bulk of the cap flexibility to go to some head scratching signing this offseason that we'll totally bash but will sorta kinda work out.


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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1839 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue May 25, 2021 10:25 am

Imagine the Wizards with Lin and Jared Butler backing Westbrook and Beal.

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Ruzious wrote:I'd be willing to give Jeremy Lin a vet minimum contract at age 31. Granted, he only played 9 G League games, but he put up spectacular stats including a TS% of 70.9 and showed he can make 3's - 42.6% on 6.0 attempts per 36 minutes. I think he has a chip on his shoulder - wants to show that some NBA team should have given him a look this season. With Neto and Ish being free agents, we'll need another PG, and he has the size at 6'4 200 to also play some 2.


Agreed. I'm not sure why he doesn't have a job now. And I'm certainly against spending any more than the minimum on Neto or his replacement due to number of decent backup options available

But considering Shepp didn't hesitate to throw $12 mil at Ish & $7 mil at RL, I assume we'll see the bulk of the cap flexibility to go to some head scratching signing this offseason that we'll totally bash but will sorta kinda work out.


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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#1840 » by Ruzious » Tue May 25, 2021 11:42 am

payitforward wrote:
Ruzious wrote:We don't have an option on Mathews - other than we can match an offer sheet for him. He'll be an RFA this offseason.

I was going off of this: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/washington-wizards-team-salary/

It says it's a qualifying offer - meaning they would need to offer him that - or he becomes a UFA instead of an RFA.
https://www.slamonline.com/nba/cba-explained-qualifying-offers/#:~:text=A%20qualifying%20offer%20is%20a%20standing%20one-year%20contract,will%20be%20a%20restricted%20free%20agent.%20When%20can

He has not signed the qualifying offer, and i'd be very surprised if he does.
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