Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

dckingsfan · Post #1841 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 2:53 pm

robbie84 wrote:trade 1:
Celtics send: Amir Johnson+Jonas Jerebko+ 2nd round pick.

Washington sends: Nene, Oubre Jr.

trade 2:

Celtics send Sullinger, David Lee.

Wizards send: Nene, Oubre Jr.

Trade 3:

Celtics send Sullinger

Wizards send Blair

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1842 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 2:59 pm

dckingsfan wrote:If we get close to the trade deadline and it is clear we are not playoff bound, do we trade Beal?

No.

This season isn't: playoffs or blow it up.

Also, the only way it's obvious we aren't playoff bound in February is if Wall suffers a season ending injury soon.

Post #1843 » by **nate33** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:00 pm

dckingsfan wrote:If we get close to the trade deadline and it is clear we are not playoff bound, do we trade Beal?

Yes. I'd seriously start shopping him now. I'd love to trade him for a late lotto pick. I'd rather have the next Gary Harris making $1.5M a year, than Beal at $22M a year.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1844 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:02 pm

nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:If we get close to the trade deadline and it is clear we are not playoff bound, do we trade Beal?

Yes. I'd seriously start shopping him now. I'd love to trade him for a late lotto pick. I'd rather have the next Gary Harris making $1.5M a year, than Beal at $22M a year.

This is the kind of knee jerk trade talk post that comes back to haunt you.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1845 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:05 pm

Ruzious wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:I wonder if a future pick/Webster DPE for Jared Sullinger deal would work for both parties. Boston has a logjam of bigs and may not be interested in signing Sully long-term, and Washington would probably like to have a quality RFA PF option like Sully with his relatively small cap hold during their pursuit of KD.

I guess it'd depend on the nature of the pick we'd have to trade, but if I were the Wizards GM, I would probably pull the trigger on the deal.

I'm a fan of Sullinger.

Sullinger would be a nice pick-up, but I don't think we have the assets to get him.

I'd give up a first round pick for him. If the Celtics said that wasn't enough, then I'd offer for Olynyk. Again, if they say no, then I'd force them to match on Sullinger this summer.

dckingsfan · Post #1846 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:05 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:If we get close to the trade deadline and it is clear we are not playoff bound, do we trade Beal?

Yes. I'd seriously start shopping him now. I'd love to trade him for a late lotto pick. I'd rather have the next Gary Harris making $1.5M a year, than Beal at $22M a year.

This is the kind of knee jerk trade talk post that comes back to haunt you.

Because you think he will break out?

Post #1847 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:05 pm

Unfortunately, probably the best time to trade him has already passed, but it's not too late to build his trade value back up. The chances of him being worth the contract he'll likely get are minimal - as I've said all along.

Post #1848 » by **nate33** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:08 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:If we get close to the trade deadline and it is clear we are not playoff bound, do we trade Beal?

Yes. I'd seriously start shopping him now. I'd love to trade him for a late lotto pick. I'd rather have the next Gary Harris making $1.5M a year, than Beal at $22M a year.

This is the kind of knee jerk trade talk post that comes back to haunt you.

It's not knee jerk though. I've been critical of Beal at times, but I've never called for him to be traded. Now I am. 3.2 seasons is enough. There is still no improvement whatsoever. He's just not very good.

I'd happily keep him if he had the reputation of being "just a guy" like a Jodie Meeks or Jeremy Lamb. Then we could retain him at a modest salary. The problem is that has a rep of being some kind of budding star who deserves the max. But he's not even close. He's an average starter... if that.

AFM · Post #1849 » by **AFM** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:10 pm

If Grunfeld was smart he'd trade high on Beal.

There's absolutely no way in hell this organization would ever do that though.

robbie84 · Post #1850 » by **robbie84** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:11 pm

payitforward wrote:Those are a couple of pretty bad trades for us, huh? The first amounts to Oubre for Jerebko and a R2 pick, which is plain silly. The 2d amounts to Oubre for Sullinger, which I suppose you could make an argument for, but... no thanks.

Well the first is more about Amir Johnson for this season and next season replacing Nene, and you're getting a good swingman in Jerebko to help out Dudley.I'm finding it hard to fit Oubre in your long term plans with Porter there (even if he can play some 4, he's going to be a career SF right?).

It would be more about making some playoff runs while Amir Johnson is under contract by sticking him next to Gortat and then running him at the 5 with Humphries at the 4 for you.

Just throwin em out there.

Dark Faze · Post #1851 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:12 pm

Beal, Gortat, and a 1st for Cousins.

Can't think of too many other trades I'd make besides that involving him though. You're not recruiting any good free agents with just Wall, and Beals a perfect fit next to KD and John if we can get him here.

Brad will be overpaid--but that's the nature of the business now.

robbie84 · Post #1852 » by **robbie84** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:15 pm

Surprised to see all the Beal hate. Seems like an efficient scorer with lot's more potential at 22 years old.
As a Celtics fan we used to loathe Avery Bradley at 22 years old. Beal's still 4 or 5 years away from his prime.
What are his major flaws?
Would you guys trade Beal for Jae Crowder+Avery Bradley?

Post #1853 » by **nate33** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:17 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Beal, Gortat, and a 1st for Cousins.

Can't think of too many other trades I'd make besides that involving him though. You're not recruiting any good free agents with just Wall, and Beals a perfect fit next to KD and John if we can get him here.

Brad will be overpaid--but that's the nature of the business now.

I'd certainly do that trade, but I can think of a whole bunch of other trades for Beal too. Beal needs to be sold high. Unfortunately, I fear Ruzious is right. We missed the window on trading Beal. Nobody else is going to trade much for him for the same reason that we need to get rid of him - his future price tag.

At this point, the best outcome might be for him to slump for most of the season - so bad that we end up benching him at times. That would drive down his cost considerably, and then he could be retained and hopefully improve in the future. The Wizards do NOT want to get stuck paying him $20M a year.

We need to root for Gary Neal to play very well.

Post #1854 » by **nate33** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:18 pm

robbie84 wrote:Would you guys trade Beal for Jae Crowder+Avery Bradley?

Yes.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1855 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:18 pm

nate33 wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:
nate33 wrote:Yes. I'd seriously start shopping him now. I'd love to trade him for a late lotto pick. I'd rather have the next Gary Harris making $1.5M a year, than Beal at $22M a year.

This is the kind of knee jerk trade talk post that comes back to haunt you.

It's not knee jerk though. I've been critical of Beal at times, but I've never called for him to be traded. Now I am. 3.2 seasons is enough. There is still no improvement whatsoever. He's just not very good.

I'd happily keep him if he had the reputation of being "just a guy" like a Jodie Meeks or Jeremy Lamb. Then we could retain him at a modest salary. The problem is that has a rep of being some kind of budding star who deserves the max. But he's not even close. He's an average starter... if that.

He was playing like an All Star before he hurt his shoulder. Now he's struggling to find his range after coming back from that. This isn't unprecedented. I think it's a pretty good bet he's going to start hitting his threes again. And when that happens and he's back to playing like an AS, your hitting the panic button and wanting to trade Beal for a late lotto pick is going to look pretty bad.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1856 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:20 pm

robbie84 wrote:Surprised to see all the Beal hate. Seems like an efficient scorer with lot's more potential at 22 years old.
As a Celtics fan we used to loathe Avery Bradley at 22 years old. Beal's still 4 or 5 years away from his prime.
What are his major flaws?
Would you guys trade Beal for Jae Crowder+Avery Bradley?

**** no. The Beal trade talk/negativity is just typical RealGM BSing you see on this board every time the team isn't playing well. Beal is a foundation player and the team isn't going to trade him.

robbie84 · Post #1857 » by **robbie84** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:20 pm

nate33 wrote:
robbie84 wrote:Would you guys trade Beal for Jae Crowder+Avery Bradley?

Yes.

That is mind boggling to an outsider (not Jae + Avery for Beal, but that you'd even consider moving Beal and it's not just you that says it), but you must have some reasoning?
Main reasons you think he's overrated and will be overpaid?
I only watch compressed versions of most Wizards games and he looks like he's improved a lot and has plenty more room to grow.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1858 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:21 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:
nate33 wrote:Yes. I'd seriously start shopping him now. I'd love to trade him for a late lotto pick. I'd rather have the next Gary Harris making $1.5M a year, than Beal at $22M a year.

This is the kind of knee jerk trade talk post that comes back to haunt you.

Because you think he will break out?

Absolutely.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1859 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:23 pm

robbie84 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
robbie84 wrote:Would you guys trade Beal for Jae Crowder+Avery Bradley?

Yes.

That is mind boggling to an outsider, but you must have some reasoning?

Emotion. Shortsightedness. Anger and embarrassment about losing to the Lakers. Frustration with the fact that Beal's three ball isn't falling since he's come back from injury.

But that's not even close to the worst trade idea I've seen tossed around here before.

Post #1860 » by **nate33** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:24 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:
This is the kind of knee jerk trade talk post that comes back to haunt you.

It's not knee jerk though. I've been critical of Beal at times, but I've never called for him to be traded. Now I am. 3.2 seasons is enough. There is still no improvement whatsoever. He's just not very good.

I'd happily keep him if he had the reputation of being "just a guy" like a Jodie Meeks or Jeremy Lamb. Then we could retain him at a modest salary. The problem is that has a rep of being some kind of budding star who deserves the max. But he's not even close. He's an average starter... if that.

He was playing like an All Star before he hurt his shoulder. Now he's struggling to find his range after coming back from that. This isn't unprecedented. I think it's a pretty good bet he's going to start hitting his threes again. And when that happens and he's back to playing like an AS, your hitting the panic button and wanting to trade Beal for a late lotto pick is going to look pretty bad.

He played a whopping 6 games before the shoulder injury. And he wasn't THAT good. His ORtg was 103 and his DRtg was 110. Basically, he had a hot streak from 3-point range, shooting an unsustainable 47%, which was offset by his horrific turnover rate. Overall, he was pretty much the same guy, but at a higher usage rate.

And let's not act like the injury was a fluke. He gets hurt a lot. It comes with the package. You don't want to get stuck paying that guy $20M.