Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[NatP4]

Doesn't Ernie prove people wrong regularly at the trade deadline? Sessions, Morris, Miller were all good pickups that people complained about. It's crazy to think about the amount of hate he got for the Morris trade and now we have an all star caliber PF in exchange for a late lottery pick.

He's been an all star caliber player since the beginning of January. Before that he was at best a rotation quality big who was forced into the starting role due to a lack of talent at that position. Calling him an all star caliber PF is a little disingenuous.

To be clear, I'm fine if EG picks up a schlub that Brooks then turns into an all-star caliber player.

See, I really don't get comments like these, everyone knew Markieff had that talent, Brooks didn't magically increase his ceiling, he just called him out for not playing hard, don't discredit EG. Beal is now healthy, Wall had knee surgery to get healthy, Otto played like this last season, Brooks gets way too much credit around here. He makes some common sense adjustments that fans have been screaming for for years, he's not some player development god LOL.

But I really don't wanna start some ridiculous discussion where PIF lists off some 2nd round players that we missed on in 1973, I understand, F ERNIE SCOTT BROOKS IS A GOD, I'll fall back in line now.

Remember: half of you were calling for Lou Williams for a 1st, then Zach Lowe says no and all of the sudden the tune changes lol

[NatP4]

Reading this thread I actually agree that they have to get rid of Mahinmi more than anything.

Mahinmi + 2017 1st for Tyson Chandler (shorter contract, less money and better at basketball)

Nicholson + 2 or 3 second rounders for Bogdanovic

Gortat Chandler
Morris Porter/Smith
Porter Oubre
Beal Bogdanovic
Wall Burke/Sato

I think it's very good, Not a single bad contract left.

When Wall becomes a FA (same time as Paul George) only Beal and Otto would be on the books...

Chandler is not better than Mahinmi, and a Bojan Burke backcourt is a massive downgrade that would get shredded every single night and still not be competent on offense.

[stevemcqueen1]

That is 17 players spanning 5 or 6 drafts - you are looking at a less than 10% hit rate. If Ernie can somehow get the Lakers to take Nicholson in the deal, I am 100% behind it.

That's 17 players whose value vastly exceed a year and a half of Lou Williams. There are many more who were solid rotation players. And a lot of them were picked by Houston, Golden State, and San Antonio. Those teams draft late and hit on far higher than 10% of their picks. They're good and they place an emphasis on developing their own talent. And they keep their draft picks. These are the organizations we should be copying.

You're talking about trading a first round pick for a season and a half of a 30 year old bench guard with a history of coming up small in the postseason and dumping a guy who has a sub MLE contract. That is a flat out waste of a draft pick for a team that will not contend during that season and a half and will be up against the luxury tax this summer.

Blowing draft picks is how we guarantee we end up with a **** bench during the prime years of our window. It's how we become the Clippers instead of the Warriors or Spurs.

Steve - if Ernie was out of the picture, I would be on your side - I think he is a below average talent evaluator and that his likelihood of making a Houston/SA/GS type of selection is very low.

I think the squad is better off with Gortat and Morris than if Ernie had kept the picks. The bigger problem is that he completely $hit the bed during free agency and handcuffed us with big contracts for mostly dog$hit players. Sure would love a mulligan on Mahinmi that would have brought Ibaka here instead. I would pay him $16 per year to be part of the 3 big rotation with Gortat in Morris as any of the 3 could play together - no such luck with Mahinmi and Gortat.

Bigger issue is that we need a new GM.

Gortat and Morris were a different matter than trading the first for Lou Williams. The Morris trade looks good since he ended up working out as a good starting PF on a cheap deal. But it's a lot sketchier when you look at the fact that we probably bid against our selves for a player Phoenix was trying to dump, and we didn't get lotto protection on the pick and we finished 10th. And though I'm pretty happy with Kieff, it's going to hurt if Denzel Valentine ends up being good.

The Gortat trade ended up working out big time but it was a big risk since he was an expiring. I'm glad we made the deal, but if he'd gone to Miami or San Antonio at the end of the season, that would have made the return on that trade terrible.

The situation with Lou Williams is different from those two because Williams is a back up guard, not a starting big. And we're up against the luxury tax now. Instead of being confident and hopeful that we can resign him when he hits free agency like we were with Gortat, we basically know we're going to have to let Williams walk if he works out like we hope. We couldn't afford to give Williams a raise at that stage in his career given our other cap commitments. Not unless we assume Ted is willing to pay a lot of luxury tax, because after we max out Otto this summer, we're going to be about 2 million under the luxury tax line the summer Lou hits free agency.

Just because we have no confidence in our GM doesn't mean we should accept the rationale for trades where we know we're not getting enough value back in return.

[sfam]

He's been an all star caliber player since the beginning of January. Before that he was at best a rotation quality big who was forced into the starting role due to a lack of talent at that position. Calling him an all star caliber PF is a little disingenuous.

To be clear, I'm fine if EG picks up a schlub that Brooks then turns into an all-star caliber player.

See, I really don't get comments like these, everyone knew Markieff had that talent, Brooks didn't magically increase his ceiling, he just called him out for not playing hard, don't discredit EG. Beal is now healthy, Wall had knee surgery to get healthy, Otto played like this last season, Brooks gets way too much credit around here. He makes some common sense adjustments that fans have been screaming for for years, he's not some player development god LOL.

But I really don't wanna start some ridiculous discussion where PIF lists off some 2nd round players that we missed on in 1973, I understand, F ERNIE SCOTT BROOKS IS A GOD, I'll fall back in line now.

Remember: half of you were calling for Lou Williams for a 1st, then Zach Lowe says no and all of the sudden the tune changes lol

We disagree on Brooks. I look at Harden and Westbrook and see development. I look at Wall and Beal and Otto this year, along with really a full change in culture and I see player development and coaching impact. I simply don't but that Brooks isn't the key variable this year. This is like among the best things EG has done in my mind. EG's move for Morris looks very different if we didn't change coaches.

Again, I'm thrilled if EG makes a great move. But given his history, it's really amazing the dude still has a job. At best you can look at his tenure and grade him as mediocre to average. Forgive me if I've become jaded over the years.

[sfam]

Reading this thread I actually agree that they have to get rid of Mahinmi more than anything.

Mahinmi + 2017 1st for Tyson Chandler (shorter contract, less money and better at basketball)

Nicholson + 2 or 3 second rounders for Bogdanovic

Gortat Chandler
Morris Porter/Smith
Porter Oubre
Beal Bogdanovic
Wall Burke/Sato

I think it's very good, Not a single bad contract left.

When Wall becomes a FA (same time as Paul George) only Beal and Otto would be on the books...

We still have no distributor with the second unit. This is the problem, not Mahinmi.

[80sballboy]

Reading this thread I actually agree that they have to get rid of Mahinmi more than anything.

Mahinmi + 2017 1st for Tyson Chandler (shorter contract, less money and better at basketball)

Nicholson + 2 or 3 second rounders for Bogdanovic

Gortat Chandler
Morris Porter/Smith
Porter Oubre
Beal Bogdanovic
Wall Burke/Sato

I think it's very good, Not a single bad contract left.

When Wall becomes a FA (same time as Paul George) only Beal and Otto would be on the books...

We still have no distributor with the second unit. This is the problem, not Mahinmi.

Basically, you want a point guard or combo guard to replace Burke or Sato, because neither is a distributor?

[NatP4]

Reading this thread I actually agree that they have to get rid of Mahinmi more than anything.

Mahinmi + 2017 1st for Tyson Chandler (shorter contract, less money and better at basketball)

Nicholson + 2 or 3 second rounders for Bogdanovic

Gortat Chandler
Morris Porter/Smith
Porter Oubre
Beal Bogdanovic
Wall Burke/Sato

I think it's very good, Not a single bad contract left.

When Wall becomes a FA (same time as Paul George) only Beal and Otto would be on the books...

We still have no distributor with the second unit. This is the problem, not Mahinmi.

Basically, you want a point guard or combo guard to replace Burke or Sato, because neither is a distributor?

Satoransky is the playmaking point guard, but you want a combo guard that can handle the ball also because sato struggles somewhat handling the ball, you also want a player that can shoot off all because Sato is not much of a spot up shooter yet, Burke needs to be replaced because all he does is dribble the air out of the ball and jack up setback deep 2s, he can't even setup the offense, can't attack the basket, can't create shots for other guys.

[Dat2U]

He's been an all star caliber player since the beginning of January. Before that he was at best a rotation quality big who was forced into the starting role due to a lack of talent at that position. Calling him an all star caliber PF is a little disingenuous.

To be clear, I'm fine if EG picks up a schlub that Brooks then turns into an all-star caliber player.

See, I really don't get comments like these, everyone knew Markieff had that talent, Brooks didn't magically increase his ceiling, he just called him out for not playing hard, don't discredit EG. Beal is now healthy, Wall had knee surgery to get healthy, Otto played like this last season, Brooks gets way too much credit around here. He makes some common sense adjustments that fans have been screaming for for years, he's not some player development god LOL.

But I really don't wanna start some ridiculous discussion where PIF lists off some 2nd round players that we missed on in 1973, I understand, F ERNIE SCOTT BROOKS IS A GOD, I'll fall back in line now.

Remember: half of you were calling for Lou Williams for a 1st, then Zach Lowe says no and all of the sudden the tune changes lol

Sometimes I don't think you really believe the things you say, you just desire to be a contrarian.

Markieff, at no time in his professional career, displayed the level of performance he has over the past month. If it was as simple as calling him out for not playing hard as you say, how come he didn't start playing hard until the age of 27, 6 yrs into his NBA career? Your boy Wittman, who you wished still had a role apparently couldn't get him to do it. Neither could Earl Watson, Jeff Hornacek or Alvin Gentry. None of them could make "comment sense adjustments" as you suggest?

Beal has had trouble staying healthy but at no time in his professional career had he displayed the level of performance he has this season. Even during his healthy stretches, he's never come close to what he's doing now.

Wall had knee surgery but at no time in his professional career (when he was healthy) had he displayed the level of performance he has this season.

Despite your suggestions to the contrary, at no time in his professional career has Otto Porter displayed the level of performance he has this season.

Even Jason Smith, a career journeyman, had a stretch until Mahinmi came back where he basically was playing out his mind, far above his career numbers.

So you don't have one example of players playing at their highest level... you have at least 5.... just this season. Maybe Brooks has nothing to do with that but that's one helluva coincidence!

[mhd]

Wonder how the Magic hire changes the Lou Williams sweepstakes. They might hold onto him now! The magic tweets on the general board are devastating (take Brandon Knight #1, take Okafor)

[dckingsfan]

Marc Stein: The price on Brook Lopez has dropped, league sources say. Instead of two first-rounders, word is Brooklyn would accept a first and a second.

I am going to get blasted for this one but... Lopez for Mahinmi + Nicholson + 2 firsts. Just to get rid of those two contracts.

[Dat2U]

We still have no distributor with the second unit. This is the problem, not Mahinmi.

Basically, you want a point guard or combo guard to replace Burke or Sato, because neither is a distributor?

Satoransky is the playmaking point guard, but you want a combo guard that can handle the ball also because sato struggles somewhat handling the ball, you also want a player that can shoot off all because Sato is not much of a spot up shooter yet, Burke needs to be replaced because all he does is dribble the air out of the ball and jack up setback deep 2s, he can't even setup the offense, can't attack the basket, can't create shots for other guys.

Satoransky hasn't proven he's a playmaker. I don't see him making a lot of plays. I see him dribbling a lot and creating very little. This is mainly because he can't shoot and he's not skilled or quick enough off the bounce to compensate and get into the lane.

Burke is a horrifically bad player. He's definitely not a PG and shows cracks in his handle and decision making when he's pressed. However he can make a shot. The offensive flow basically stops when Sato is forced to run the offense. It may also stop when Burke is PG but at least you can run some semblance of an effective P&R with Burke. At least Burke can make a shot or create a play here and there.

I want Burke benched as bad as the next guy but putting the ball in Sato's hands leads to nowhere. Now Sato's defense is worlds better than Burke and probably offsets any advantage Burke gives them offensively IMO but to call Satoransky a playmaker is incorrect. I also don't think the coaching staff has confidence in Sato to run the offense and rightfully so.

[mhd]

Marc Stein: The price on Brook Lopez has dropped, league sources say. Instead of two first-rounders, word is Brooklyn would accept a first and a second.

I am going to get blasted for this one but... Lopez for Mahinmi + Nicholson + 2 firsts. Just to get rid of those two contracts.

I'd do for one, but not 2.

Pacers seems interested. Jefferson+filler (say Stuckey)+2017 Indy 1st for Lopez works.

[Dat2U]

Wonder how the Magic hire changes the Lou Williams sweepstakes. They might hold onto him now! The magic tweets on the general board are devastating (take Brandon Knight #1, take Okafor)

If any thing it's feeding time around the league. I think there's little evidence that Magic is a shrewd talent evaluator. If I was a GM I'd see how foolish Magic is and would be trying to rob him blind.

[mhd]

Wonder how the Magic hire changes the Lou Williams sweepstakes. They might hold onto him now! The magic tweets on the general board are devastating (take Brandon Knight #1, take Okafor)

If any thing it's feeding time around the league. I think there's little evidence that Magic is a shrewd talent evaluator. If I was a GM I'd see how foolish Magic is and would be trying to rob him blind.

Well, twitter says that Rob Palenka (well-known agent including Kobe's agent) is going to be the new GM. I'm pretty sure he won't make dumb trades for the sake. The Lakers need to tank the rest of the year to ensure they get a top 3 pick (so they don't have to lose their 2019 1st to Orlando). If they move a young guy, I'd trade Randle. I really like Ingram's potential (he needs to put on weight obviously).

[Dat2U]

Marc Stein: The price on Brook Lopez has dropped, league sources say. Instead of two first-rounders, word is Brooklyn would accept a first and a second.

I am going to get blasted for this one but... Lopez for Mahinmi + Nicholson + 2 firsts. Just to get rid of those two contracts.

I'd do for one, but not 2.

Pacers seems interested. Jefferson+filler (say Stuckey)+2017 Indy 1st for Lopez works.

It's tempting. Getting out of 67 million of dreck over the next 3 seasons would be quite tempting. Certainly that is worth a 1st pick alone, I think even PIF would go along with that. It's the 2nd one that's kind of hard to wrap my thoughts around.

Brook Lopez also isn't really a need but he is a very productive offensive player. He'd definitely give the bench a boost in terms of scoring and allow us to keep Gortat's minutes in check. However like Lou Will he's a rental only through the 17-18 season.

[Dat2U]

Wonder how the Magic hire changes the Lou Williams sweepstakes. They might hold onto him now! The magic tweets on the general board are devastating (take Brandon Knight #1, take Okafor)

If any thing it's feeding time around the league. I think there's little evidence that Magic is a shrewd talent evaluator. If I was a GM I'd see how foolish Magic is and would be trying to rob him blind.

Well, twitter says that Rob Palenka (well-known agent including Kobe's agent) is going to be the new GM. I'm pretty sure he won't make dumb trades for the sake. The Lakers need to tank the rest of the year to ensure they get a top 3 pick (so they don't have to lose their 2019 1st to Orlando). If they move a young guy, I'd trade Randle. I really like Ingram's potential (he needs to put on weight obviously).

I recently heard Magic being asked about the young Lakers players. He absolutely loves Ingram and thinks he's going to be a star. His only question is will he be a superstar. He likes Russell & Randle and thinks they'll be solid NBA players but isn't quite sure if they can be stars. I don't think he's high on or thinks much of Clarkson, Nance & Zubac. It sounds like Ingram would be his untouchable. Everyone else could likely be had for the right price. I'd try to pick off Nance & Zubac if possible.

[mhd]

If any thing it's feeding time around the league. I think there's little evidence that Magic is a shrewd talent evaluator. If I was a GM I'd see how foolish Magic is and would be trying to rob him blind.

Well, twitter says that Rob Palenka (well-known agent including Kobe's agent) is going to be the new GM. I'm pretty sure he won't make dumb trades for the sake. The Lakers need to tank the rest of the year to ensure they get a top 3 pick (so they don't have to lose their 2019 1st to Orlando). If they move a young guy, I'd trade Randle. I really like Ingram's potential (he needs to put on weight obviously).

I recently heard Magic being asked about the young Lakers players. He absolutely loves Ingram and thinks he's going to be a star. His only question is will he be a superstar. He likes Russell & Randle and thinks they'll be solid NBA players but isn't quite sure if they can be stars. I don't think he's high or thinks much of Clarkson, Nance & Zubac. It sounds like Ingram would be his untouchable. Everyone else could likely be had for the right price. I'd try to pick off Nance & Zubac if possible.

Nance is a perfect big in today's NBA. He's got a good soft touch, athletic, and can finish. I'd easily trade a 1st for him. Doubt Magic would, but who knows?

I'd trade 2017 1st+2019 1st+Nicholson for Lou Williams+Nance in a heartbeat.

[NatP4]

Basically, you want a point guard or combo guard to replace Burke or Sato, because neither is a distributor?

Satoransky is the playmaking point guard, but you want a combo guard that can handle the ball also because sato struggles somewhat handling the ball, you also want a player that can shoot off all because Sato is not much of a spot up shooter yet, Burke needs to be replaced because all he does is dribble the air out of the ball and jack up setback deep 2s, he can't even setup the offense, can't attack the basket, can't create shots for other guys.

Satoransky hasn't proven he's a playmaker. I don't see him making a lot of plays. I see him dribbling a lot and creating very little. This is mainly because he can't shoot and he's not skilled or quick enough off the bounce to compensate and get into the lane.

Burke is a horrifically bad player. He's definitely not a PG and shows cracks in his handle and decision making when he's pressed. However he can make a shot. The offensive flow basically stops when Sato is forced to run the offense. It may also stop when Burke is PG but at least you can run some semblance of an effective P&R with Burke. At least Burke can make a shot or create a play here and there.

I want Burke benched as bad as the next guy but putting the ball in Sato's hands leads to nowhere. Now Sato's defense is worlds better than Burke and probably offsets any advantage Burke gives them offensively IMO but to call Satoransky a playmaker is incorrect. I also don't think the coaching staff has confidence in Sato to run the offense and rightfully so.

Sato got one start and ran the team just fine, had 12&9 and those lineups with him and Sheldon starting were off the charts in terms of net rtg. If you watched Satoransky in Europe, you would see his playmaking skills and court vision, of course it's tough to make plays when you are the oddball spot up shooter watching Burke deflate the ball, We hardly ever get to see Satoransky play with the ball unless it's in transition(where he's made some really nice passes)

[stevemcqueen1]

If any thing it's feeding time around the league. I think there's little evidence that Magic is a shrewd talent evaluator. If I was a GM I'd see how foolish Magic is and would be trying to rob him blind.

Well, twitter says that Rob Palenka (well-known agent including Kobe's agent) is going to be the new GM. I'm pretty sure he won't make dumb trades for the sake. The Lakers need to tank the rest of the year to ensure they get a top 3 pick (so they don't have to lose their 2019 1st to Orlando). If they move a young guy, I'd trade Randle. I really like Ingram's potential (he needs to put on weight obviously).

I recently heard Magic being asked about the young Lakers players. He absolutely loves Ingram and thinks he's going to be a star. His only question is will he be a superstar. He likes Russell & Randle and thinks they'll be solid NBA players but isn't quite sure if they can be stars. I don't think he's high or thinks much of Clarkson, Nance & Zubac. It sounds like Ingram would be his untouchable. Everyone else could likely be had for the right price. I'd try to pick off Nance & Zubac if possible.

Yeah I'd be really interested in Zubac. I think I'd trade the first for him. I think I'd definitely trade the 2018 first.

[stevemcqueen1]

Jason Smith + Trey Burke + 2017 first for Ivica Zubac + Lou Williams.