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stilldropin20 wrote:this is the current immigration argument in a nut shell!! sums up my position perfectly.
Doug_Blew wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:this is the current immigration argument in a nut shell!! sums up my position perfectly.
The Caption below is all you need to know about the Republican party. Republicans play the victim card and think they are not big government. The Republican party currently is the Ruling class. The Republicans are in charge. Quit whining and own it.
closg00 wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:
The liar said that Mexico was going to pay for it. Lying is the official policy of this government
Doug_Blew wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:this is the current immigration argument in a nut shell!! sums up my position perfectly.
The Caption below is all you need to know about the Republican party. Republicans play the victim card and think they are not big government. The Republican party currently is the Ruling class. The Republicans are in charge. Quit whining and own it.
Zonkerbl wrote:Again, the correct answer to this question is "Zonker, you hamster-faced gerbil humper, I would never consider extermination under any circumstances, I'm not a monster, and shame on you for even thinking I would ever consider it." It's not a trick question!
gtn130 wrote:
This is Orwellian. Just a blatant, brazen lie that he's doubling down on. It's verifiably false, but I guess he's claiming he has secret information. Absolutely surreal that people support this scumbag.
gtn130 wrote:
This is Orwellian. Just a blatant, brazen lie that he's doubling down on. It's verifiably false, but I guess he's claiming he has secret information. Absolutely surreal that people support this scumbag.
The HillHundreds of members at Sessions's church write formal complaint over immigration policy
More than 600 members of the United Methodist Church signed onto a letter Monday condemning Attorney General Jeff Sessions for the Trump administration's policy of separating migrant parents and children at the U.S. border.
"While other individuals and areas of the federal government are implicated in each of these examples, Mr. Sessions - as a long-term United Methodist in a tremendously powerful, public position - is particularly accountable to us, his church," the letter reads. "He is ours, and we are his. As his denomination, we have an ethical obligation to speak boldly when one of our members is engaged in causing significant harm in matters contrary to the Discipline on the global stage."
Jamaaliver wrote:I've been waiting for the evangelicals to start flexing their muscle in this debate.The HillHundreds of members at Sessions's church write formal complaint over immigration policy
More than 600 members of the United Methodist Church signed onto a letter Monday condemning Attorney General Jeff Sessions for the Trump administration's policy of separating migrant parents and children at the U.S. border.
"While other individuals and areas of the federal government are implicated in each of these examples, Mr. Sessions - as a long-term United Methodist in a tremendously powerful, public position - is particularly accountable to us, his church," the letter reads. "He is ours, and we are his. As his denomination, we have an ethical obligation to speak boldly when one of our members is engaged in causing significant harm in matters contrary to the Discipline on the global stage."
Jamaaliver wrote:I've been waiting for the evangelicals to start flexing their muscle in this debate.The HillHundreds of members at Sessions's church write formal complaint over immigration policy
More than 600 members of the United Methodist Church signed onto a letter Monday condemning Attorney General Jeff Sessions for the Trump administration's policy of separating migrant parents and children at the U.S. border.
"While other individuals and areas of the federal government are implicated in each of these examples, Mr. Sessions - as a long-term United Methodist in a tremendously powerful, public position - is particularly accountable to us, his church," the letter reads. "He is ours, and we are his. As his denomination, we have an ethical obligation to speak boldly when one of our members is engaged in causing significant harm in matters contrary to the Discipline on the global stage."
Doug_Blew wrote:nate33 wrote:What would you do if we passed laws that allowed homeless to get access to your home whenever they want, eat your food, and you couldn't do anything about it? Would you just open your doors wide open and let 10 of them in? If not, you're Hitler!
I would kidnap their kids and lock them in my caged basement.
dckingsfan wrote:The party that adopts it will commit long-term political suicide as well, IMO.
I_Like_Dirt wrote:dckingsfan wrote:The party that adopts it will commit long-term political suicide as well, IMO.
This is the one place where I very strongly disagree with you. Not that I think it's a great reality or anything, but given the terms involved in elections and the layers of government, it is very, very easy, to continually blame the other party whenever they wind up in power, or to blame immigrants themselves.
Japan basically has what nate is arguing for already and their economy has been struggling for ages. They were the canary in the coal mine and are now essentially trying to create a manga robot army to replace the lack of children and immigration (I say that only partly tongue in cheek, sadly). Everyone there knows their economy is poised for disaster. Over a third of their population is over 60 years old already and it's getting worst at an ever-increasing speed.
Despite that reality, Japan is still struggling with the idea that immigration is a potential positive, let alone a necessity. Japan has only just started to decide that maybe they should try to get some immigrations very recently, and they're being very slow-footed on the uptake. They've wisely decided to mirror some of Canada's immigration system, but haven't moved a whole heck of a lot, if at all, when it comes to actually being willing or able to flexibly incorporate them into their society - language is a big one, but it goes well beyond that. And it isn't political suicide in Japan to be hesitant on immigration. They basically waited until it was too late to start trying anything and then, when they finally started trying things weren't very happy about it and weren't willing to be flexible at all about it. Instead, they tried throwing money at the problem for decades... that hasn't worked out as well as they hoped.
dckingsfan wrote:While I agree with your assertion on Japan, I disagree on the US. Our demographics have been changing - eventually that will catch up with you when you are anti-Asian, anti-Hispanic. It is long-term political suicide, IMO.
gtn130 wrote:dckingsfan wrote:While I agree with your assertion on Japan, I disagree on the US. Our demographics have been changing - eventually that will catch up with you when you are anti-Asian, anti-Hispanic. It is long-term political suicide, IMO.
It's long-term political suicide if the GOP played by the rules. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, purging of voter rolls, etc. If Trump had the state houses and slightly more political capital, he would immediately call for a constitutional convention to end elections permanently.
As the GOP contracts, they're going to eviscerate more norms, break more laws and so on.
