2020 Draft

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Plus, his numbers are way better than Saddiq's, aren't they?

As scorers they were virtually identical in points & efficiency -- though of course they did their scoring in quite different ways. TBey's TS% is marginally higher, but it's trivial really.

But, SBey collected 5.6 rebounds per 40 minutes, while TBey lapped him & more with 12.5. On the rest of the productivity stuff (assists, steals, blocks, turnovers & fouls) the two guys were overall about the same. I think both of them are regarded as good defenders.

I can't see a way to regard Saddiq as a better prospect than Tyler.

No, that's not true -- Saddiq is 14 months younger than Tyler. That's in his favor. Still, if I had to bet on one of these two guys being a better overall NBA player than the other, my money would be on Tyler Bey.

Saddiq Bey is a much better 3&D prospect than T. Bey. Saddiq is an outstanding 3 pt shooter while T. Bey rarely shoots the three. There were many Colorado games where T. Bey didn’t even attempt a 3 pointer.

Well, we will see where all these guys go in less than 3 weeks. But, as I said, there's no particular reason to compare the two Beys. You are right that they're different kinds of prospects, different kinds of players. Not to mention that absolutely no one has suggested or would suggest to pick Tyler Bey before Saddiq Bey -- it wouldn't be necessary.

Still, since it appears that I am no more able than anyone else to stop myself from comparing them, you are certainly correct that Saddiq Bey is a better 3-point shooter than his non-cousin Tyler. OTOH, he isn't nearly as good as Tyler at some other things.

Overall, if it matters (which, historically, it certainly seems to), his college numbers would seem to predict a brighter future for him than for Saddiq. OTOH, Saddiq is significantly younger than Tyler. & -- possibly a key point -- he has a far better first name: "Saddiq" is the word in Arabic for "righteous one."

Come to think of it, someone told me that "Azubuike" is means "clarinet" in Nigerian -- perhaps we should compare him with Paul Reed?

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I'm lost. .... (snip)...

You losing the vision I am providing. Look for hip bend. ...

You know, man... I admire you! You know how to hold your position. You don't give ground. You've made your choices for the draft -- you like Achiuwa, & behind him you like Saddiq Bey.

Still some time, so that could change of course. But whatever your thoughts are when the draft is upon us, we will find out whether you were correct to make those choices.

We'll find that out by watching to see whether the guys you like do well in the league -- & whether some guys you didn't like so much wind up doing less well than your choices. If that's how it works out, it'll mean your choices were correct -- that you were right.

& if those guys you liked don't do well in the league -- or at least not as well as some guys you didn't like -- then what we'll learn is that your choices were incorrect -- that you were wrong.

In other words... it'll be "hip bend" or "around the bend!"
Peace!

Wait... one more thing: we have a pick at #37. Who should we take at that spot? Remember... Draymond went #35 -- there might be a really good player available to us!

[WizarDynasty]

In other words... it'll be "hip bend" or "around the bend!"

Deep hip bend and movement at the same time for a long period of time. You will get it one day. I believe.

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In other words... it'll be "hip bend" or "around the bend!"

Deep hip bend and movement at the same time for a long period of time. You will get it one day. I believe.

C'mon man... let me make a joke, ok? Need some humor!

Don't forget that #37 pick! Weigh in on that one, WD!

[Ruzious]

Come to think of it, someone told me that "Azubuike" is means "clarinet" in Nigerian -- perhaps we should compare him with Paul Reed?

Oh no you did not.

[Ruzious]

Devon Dotson has probably moved ahead of our pick #37. He's killing it at the combine. Lock him in a gym where he has to shoot 3's all day.

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Devon Dotson has probably moved ahead of our pick #37. He's killing it at the combine. Lock him in a gym where he has to shoot 3's all day.

Ehhh. I like other PGs more anyway. Dotson has that Augustin/Flynn archetype and Im not overly impressed. He is extremely fast, but doesnt control it well and appears off balance when attempting to shoot off the dribble or get savvy in the lane (I.E. Euro step). I dont trust his vision either. He can make a basic kick out pass, but cant thread the needle at all.

Taking Dotson over Pritchard would a poor decision.

[Ruzious]

Devon Dotson has probably moved ahead of our pick #37. He's killing it at the combine. Lock him in a gym where he has to shoot 3's all day.

Ehhh. I like other PGs more anyway. Dotson has that Augustin/Flynn archetype and Im not overly impressed. He is extremely fast, but doesnt control it well and appears off balance when attempting to shoot off the dribble or get savvy in the lane (I.E. Euro step). I dont trust his vision either. He can make a basic kick out pass, but cant thread the needle at all.

Taking Dotson over Pritchard would a poor decision.

He seems to be much more athletic than Augustin and Flynn and especially Pritchard - though he may not have the skills. A lot depends on how well he develops his 3. He's a different type of player than they are.

[pcbothwel]

Devon Dotson has probably moved ahead of our pick #37. He's killing it at the combine. Lock him in a gym where he has to shoot 3's all day.

Ehhh. I like other PGs more anyway. Dotson has that Augustin/Flynn archetype and Im not overly impressed. He is extremely fast, but doesnt control it well and appears off balance when attempting to shoot off the dribble or get savvy in the lane (I.E. Euro step). I dont trust his vision either. He can make a basic kick out pass, but cant thread the needle at all.

Taking Dotson over Pritchard would a poor decision.

He seems to be much more athletic than Augustin and Flynn and especially Pritchard - though he may not have the skills. A lot depends on how well he develops his 3. He's a different type of player than they are.

I think the Augustin Comp is pretty close. Maybe Devin Harris.
I actually like Dotson, but im just not worried about missing out I guess... SOOOO many good PG's in the 25-40 range, and none of them are projects. All are backup/rotational players in their rookie year. So I really hope we snag one as getting that contribution for that price over the next few years is really a great use of resources.

Question to the group: Out of the following PGs (Dotson, Riller, Pritchard, Flynn, Winston, Tre Jones)
Which one(s) goes in the top 20? Why?
Which one(s) drops out of the top 45? Why?

Again, Not saying who you'll think is the best or worst per se, but what will happen in draft night due to whatever reason

[Ruzious]

Ehhh. I like other PGs more anyway. Dotson has that Augustin/Flynn archetype and Im not overly impressed. He is extremely fast, but doesnt control it well and appears off balance when attempting to shoot off the dribble or get savvy in the lane (I.E. Euro step). I dont trust his vision either. He can make a basic kick out pass, but cant thread the needle at all.

Taking Dotson over Pritchard would a poor decision.

He seems to be much more athletic than Augustin and Flynn and especially Pritchard - though he may not have the skills. A lot depends on how well he develops his 3. He's a different type of player than they are.

I think the Augustin Comp is pretty close. Maybe Devin Harris.
I actually like Dotson, but im just not worried about missing out I guess... SOOOO many good PG's in the 25-40 range, and none of them are projects. All are backup/rotational players in their rookie year. So I really hope we snag one as getting that contribution for that price over the next few years is really a great use of resources.

Question to the group: Out of the following PGs (Dotson, Riller, Pritchard, Flynn, Winston, Tre Jones)
Which one(s) goes in the top 20? Why?
Which one(s) drops out of the top 45? Why?

Again, Not saying who you'll think is the best or worst per se, but what will happen in draft night due to whatever reason

I think Riller is the only one that falls out of the top 45. He measured shorter than expected.

Those are some real solid PG prospects. They're almost a tossup for what order they go in. I think people are liking Tre Jones slightly more than the others because of the improvement he's made on his 3 and because of his defense and leadership - though tbh, my feeling watching him is that he doesn't have a good shooting touch. Winston might be the one with the fewest weaknesses.

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Come to think of it, someone told me that "Azubuike" is means "clarinet" in Nigerian -- perhaps we should compare him with Paul Reed?

Oh no you did not.

What's the matter with that? I thought it was really funny! & I asked my next door neighbor's 10-year old son -- & he thought it was funny too!

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...the following PGs (Dotson, Riller, Pritchard, Flynn, Winston, Tre Jones)....

...Those are some real solid PG prospects. ...Winston might be the one with the fewest weaknesses.

I just asked about Cassius Winston in the R2 thread. We haven't talked much about him at all....

[Ruzious]

Come to think of it, someone told me that "Azubuike" is means "clarinet" in Nigerian -- perhaps we should compare him with Paul Reed?

Oh no you did not.

What's the matter with that? I thought it was really funny! & I asked my next door neighbor's 10-year old son -- & he thought it was funny too!

Yes, it was funny even for a groan (not grown) man. So, can Azubuike be effective in the NBA? I'll wait while you ask your 10 year old neighbor. Hey, if I can't give you a hard time, who can I? We're punchy waiting for tomorrow's results - almost as long a wait as the NBA draft.

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I don't know about "punchy," but I do think the future is on the line. And reading about stores boarding up their windows for election day...? That's something I never imagined I'd see in America -- another disgrace visited on us by Donald Trump.

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Hey, WD -- what do you think of Azubuike? He's got standing reach in spades, that's for sure!

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I’m all in on Okongwu. If he’s on the boards I take him beached no one unexpected falls. He’s what we need.

[WizarDynasty]

Okongwu will be a bust. He just media hype. Has done nothing great. Undersized center that wizards don't need. Wizard's need a really long athletic 3. Jared Jeffries that can shoot threes and defend on the perimeter. A draymond green/ Jeffries type player. Okongwu is media hype, that will bust just like in all the other drafts if you study history. No 6'8 center has ever done well unless they were freak freak athletes, and even then questions marks. Someone has to be a voice of reason on this board.

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Jared Jeffries has terrible hip bend. He also lacked adequate bowleggedness. Try again WD.

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Azubuike, strictly a situational player, I'd take my chance with Oturu as a project big instead.

Has semblance of a face-up game, a decent stroke and has the tools to be a decent defender in space, unlike Azubuike, who'll be strictly drop coverage on that side of the ball.

That's a hard pass.

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Jared Jeffries has terrible hip bend. He also lacked adequate bowleggedness. Try again WD.

I agree, he couldn't maintain his hip bend for long durations, and very uncoordinated shooting elbow. But who is closest the Jeffries--9'2 standing reach... in this draft, that does have amazing hip bend, and coordinated elbow, and quick first step, great handles, and great motor? Maybe Obi? imagine having a perimeter player with a standing reach of 9'2. Completely shut down perimeter 3 point shot jacking.
Saddiq bey has 9'2 standing reach i heard. he is very long.