Political Roundtable Part XXVIII

[montestewart]

How are there so many morons like this in power?

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/florida-sheriff-forbids-staff-visitors-164500089.html

Woods said for as many health professionals who would vouch for wearing a mask, he "can find the exact same amount of professionals that say why we shouldn’t."

They call him "Doc" because he had a few semesters at the community college, and yeah, he's pretty good with the tweezers when you got a splinter, but I wouldn't exactly call him a health professional. And his middle name's Wayne.

[Pointgod]

How are there so many morons like this in power?

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/florida-sheriff-forbids-staff-visitors-164500089.html

If it’s an elected position blame the people that vote this idiot into office or more so the ones that don’t vote. We Q anon crazies that are going to be in Congress. People vote for them and others choose to not bother. At some level this is what people want.

[JWizmentality]

How are there so many morons like this in power?

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/florida-sheriff-forbids-staff-visitors-164500089.html

If it’s an elected position blame the people that vote this idiot into office or more so the ones that don’t vote. We Q anon crazies that are going to be in Congress. People vote for them and others choose to not bother. At some level this is what people want.

Exactly. And you live with the consequences of your vote. But it's ok for the Maga hats that must now bury their loved ones because the supreme court and owning the libs was all worth it.

[dckingsfan]

How are there so many morons like this in power?

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/florida-sheriff-forbids-staff-visitors-164500089.html

If it’s an elected position blame the people that vote this idiot into office or more so the ones that don’t vote. We Q anon crazies that are going to be in Congress. People vote for them and others choose to not bother. At some level this is what people want.

Exactly. And you live with the consequences of your vote. But it's ok for the Maga hats that must now bury their loved ones because the supreme court and owning the libs was all worth it.

Part of the problem I am seeing is the "who". Minorities have been the most impacted. So, the MAGA hats seem to now be good with the outcome. Well, except for the closing of bars.

[dobrojim]

But at least they vote for the most ethical people right?

[dckingsfan]

Well, guess we have too much PPE... hospitals don't need any more masks.

https://statnews.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f8609630ae206654824f897b6&id=c77c1e4654&e=0527943950

Oh wait...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/08/ppe-shortage-masks-gloves-gowns/

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[Ruzious]

How is that not treason - even him discussing the possibility that he might do it?

[Zonkerbl]

Biden campaign not holding back

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-question-of-kamala-harriss-eligibility-is-serious/2020/08/13/61604b02-ddc2-11ea-8051-d5f887d73381_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_factchecker-tt-840pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

“Donald Trump was the national leader of the grotesque, racist birther movement with respect to President Obama and has sought to fuel racism and tear our nation apart on every single day of his presidency,” a Biden campaign spokesman said in an email. “So it’s unsurprising, but no less abhorrent, that as Trump makes a fool of himself straining to distract the American people from the horrific toll of his failed coronavirus response that his campaign and their allies would resort to wretched, demonstrably false lies in their pathetic desperation.”

who needs grammar when you're angry anyways

[pancakes3]

How is that not treason - even him discussing the possibility that he might do it?

enforcement problem. you can speed all you want if highway patrol refuses to pull you over.

trump's gaslit base: "guess it must not be speeding"

[pancakes3]

1/3 of americans wouldn't vaccinate

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-TABLES_202008121039.pdf#page=62

[Ruzious]

1/3 of americans wouldn't vaccinate

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-TABLES_202008121039.pdf#page=62

Sigh. Then that puts more pressure on the effectiveness of the vaccine. It's gotta be closer to 100% effective, and I'm not sure that's realistic.

[dckingsfan]

1/3 of americans wouldn't vaccinate

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-TABLES_202008121039.pdf#page=62

Sigh. Then that puts more pressure on the effectiveness of the vaccine. It's gotta be closer to 100% effective, and I'm not sure that's realistic.

So, I am going to argue that even having 50% of folks taking the vaccine would be very helpful. I would argue that many more than we though have already been exposed to the virus and were asymptomatic.

There is a line of thinking that even with a mask, you are exposed to small amounts of the virus, when that happens you have a better chance of having a mild case (kind of like a vaccine).

[Ruzious]

1/3 of americans wouldn't vaccinate

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-TABLES_202008121039.pdf#page=62

Sigh. Then that puts more pressure on the effectiveness of the vaccine. It's gotta be closer to 100% effective, and I'm not sure that's realistic.

So, I am going to argue that even having 50% of folks taking the vaccine would be very helpful. I would argue that many more than we though have already been exposed to the virus and were asymptomatic.

There is a line of thinking that even with a mask, you are exposed to small amounts of the virus, when that happens you have a better chance of having a mild case (kind of like a vaccine).

It would definitely be helpful. I'm just wondering if it would be helpful enough to justify opening everything up and take away the need for masks and social distancing.

[dckingsfan]

Sigh. Then that puts more pressure on the effectiveness of the vaccine. It's gotta be closer to 100% effective, and I'm not sure that's realistic.

So, I am going to argue that even having 50% of folks taking the vaccine would be very helpful. I would argue that many more than we though have already been exposed to the virus and were asymptomatic.

There is a line of thinking that even with a mask, you are exposed to small amounts of the virus, when that happens you have a better chance of having a mild case (kind of like a vaccine).

It would definitely be helpful. I'm just wondering if it would be helpful enough to justify opening everything up and take away the need for masks and social distancing.

I think the right question is: how long would it then take to have enough herd immunity to justify opening everything up.

I think the right answer is: the slower the adoption, the longer we stay locked down either through government action or individual action.

But:

Example (that doesn't answer your question): if you make it a requirement to get vaccinated to go back to school, that would then reduce the risk (substantially) to open schools. And that is one thing that is greatly delaying this reopening.

Does that mean folks would fly and go back to dining out? Probably incrementally until the numbers fell significantly.

What is funny (in a not so funny way) is that if we had all adopted masking, it would have a very similar effect as a vaccine.

[Ruzious]

So, I am going to argue that even having 50% of folks taking the vaccine would be very helpful. I would argue that many more than we though have already been exposed to the virus and were asymptomatic.

There is a line of thinking that even with a mask, you are exposed to small amounts of the virus, when that happens you have a better chance of having a mild case (kind of like a vaccine).

It would definitely be helpful. I'm just wondering if it would be helpful enough to justify opening everything up and take away the need for masks and social distancing.

I think the right question is: how long would it then take to have enough herd immunity to justify opening everything up.

I think the right answer is: the slower the adoption, the longer we stay locked down either through government action or individual action.

But:

Example (that doesn't answer your question): if you make it a requirement to get vaccinated to go back to school, that would then reduce the risk (substantially) to open schools. And that is one thing that is greatly delaying this reopening.

Does that mean folks would fly and go back to dining out? Probably incrementally until the numbers fell significantly.

What is funny (in a not so funny way) is that if we had all adopted masking, it would have a very similar effect as a vaccine.

Yeah, Americans have proven to be not the brightest people. I would definitely be for requiring kids to be vaccinated before they go back to school.

I very much hope getting the virus makes you immune from getting it again. It looks like it does, but there are some doubts.

[dckingsfan]

I very much hope getting the virus makes you immune from getting it again. It looks like it does, but there are some doubts.

This is going to be the issue moving forward. Is this going to be like the flu with various strains or will a vaccine give you immunity and for how long. I haven't seen anything definitive on this - you?

[DCZards]

Here's what Dr. Fauci had to say just today about herd immunity:

If the United States allowed coronavirus infections to run rampant to achieve possible herd immunity, the death toll would be massive, especially among vulnerable people, the nation's top infectious doctor said.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, explained the risks during a live Instagram session.

"If everyone contracted it, even with the relatively high percentage of people without symptoms ... a lot of people are going to die," Fauci said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/health/us-coronavirus-friday/

[Ruzious]

I very much hope getting the virus makes you immune from getting it again. It looks like it does, but there are some doubts.

This is going to be the issue moving forward. Is this going to be like the flu with various strains or will a vaccine give you immunity and for how long. I haven't seen anything definitive on this - you?

I'll check with my microbiologist acquaintance on this to see what's the latest.

[dckingsfan]

Here's what Dr. Fauci had to say just today about herd immunity:

If the United States allowed coronavirus infections to run rampant to achieve possible herd immunity, the death toll would be massive, especially among vulnerable people, the nation's top infectious doctor said.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, explained the risks during a live Instagram session.

"If everyone contracted it, even with the relatively high percentage of people without symptoms ... a lot of people are going to die," Fauci said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/health/us-coronavirus-friday/

Yep, and yet there are still folks wondering why everyone isn't coming out to play and going to bars and the like.

There are two different minds on the immunity, I guess there are more. One is a podcast, sorry! Neither seem to think running out there without a mask is a good idea.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/reasons-for-covid-19-optimism-on-t-cells-and-herd-immunity.html

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-zdoggmd-show/id1218431966#episodeGuid=tag%3Asoundcloud%2C2010%3Atracks%2F873021784