Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[queridiculo]

I'd be willing to give Jeremy Lin a vet minimum contract at age 31. Granted, he only played 9 G League games, but he put up spectacular stats including a TS% of 70.9 and showed he can make 3's - 42.6% on 6.0 attempts per 36 minutes. I think he has a chip on his shoulder - wants to show that some NBA team should have given him a look this season. With Neto and Ish being free agents, we'll need another PG, and he has the size at 6'4 200 to also play some 2.

I thought Lin just announced his retirement from the NBA?

Or was that just a passive aggressive "ey yo, I am still here, can't a brother get a deal?"

[Ruzious]

I'd be willing to give Jeremy Lin a vet minimum contract at age 31. Granted, he only played 9 G League games, but he put up spectacular stats including a TS% of 70.9 and showed he can make 3's - 42.6% on 6.0 attempts per 36 minutes. I think he has a chip on his shoulder - wants to show that some NBA team should have given him a look this season. With Neto and Ish being free agents, we'll need another PG, and he has the size at 6'4 200 to also play some 2.

I thought Lin just announced his retirement from the NBA?

Or was that just a passive aggressive "ey yo, I am still here, can't a brother get a deal?"

That's a great way to put it - at least that was my impression - dude's got a gigantic chip on his shoulder.

[queridiculo]

I'd be willing to give Jeremy Lin a vet minimum contract at age 31. Granted, he only played 9 G League games, but he put up spectacular stats including a TS% of 70.9 and showed he can make 3's - 42.6% on 6.0 attempts per 36 minutes. I think he has a chip on his shoulder - wants to show that some NBA team should have given him a look this season. With Neto and Ish being free agents, we'll need another PG, and he has the size at 6'4 200 to also play some 2.

I thought Lin just announced his retirement from the NBA?

Or was that just a passive aggressive "ey yo, I am still here, can't a brother get a deal?"

That's a great way to put it - at least that was my impression - dude's got a gigantic chip on his shoulder.

Somewhere a marketing intern is pushing hard for this one.

Wizards lost out on being able to promote German Heritage night, so this would be way to pivot to a split asian heritage night.

Japanese heritage, and then Taiwanese heritage another night.

Susan O'Malley would be stoked right now

(Then again, do we need another NBA team offending China's PRC )

[payitforward]

We don't have an option on Mathews - other than we can match an offer sheet for him. He'll be an RFA this offseason.

I was going off of this: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/washington-wizards-team-salary/

It says it's a qualifying offer - meaning they would need to offer him that - or he becomes a UFA instead of an RFA.
https://www.slamonline.com/nba/cba-explained-qualifying-offers/#:~:text=A%20qualifying%20offer%20is%20a%20standing%20one-year%20contract,will%20be%20a%20restricted%20free%20agent.%20When%20can

He has not signed the qualifying offer, and i'd be very surprised if he does.

Aahhh -- thanks for the clarification.

From the first bullet point on your link, it looks like they can't actually offer him this extension until the NBA Finals are done. But, he is eligible for it.

[Ruzious]

I was going off of this: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/washington-wizards-team-salary/

It says it's a qualifying offer - meaning they would need to offer him that - or he becomes a UFA instead of an RFA.
https://www.slamonline.com/nba/cba-explained-qualifying-offers/#:~:text=A%20qualifying%20offer%20is%20a%20standing%20one-year%20contract,will%20be%20a%20restricted%20free%20agent.%20When%20can

He has not signed the qualifying offer, and i'd be very surprised if he does.

Aahhh -- thanks for the clarification.

From the first bullet point on your link, it looks like they can't actually offer him this extension until the NBA Finals are done. But, he is eligible for it.

Correct - I don't know the logic they used on the timing - and why it's different for when teams are required to decide on whether or not to pick up the option years on rookie contracts for first round picks.

[9 and 20]

If we draft a small forward this year, we still need to bring a starting small forward in the offseason. Unless we trade someone, the forward rotation would like something like this -

xxxx/Deni/Draft pick/Hutchison
Rui/Bertans

Pretty mediocre for a team trying to crack the upper half of the conference. Having a $16 million backup forward and no starting forward just makes no sense to me. Also, having two recent first round picks as backup forwards who compete for minutes seems like a potential problem.

Brooks would fix this by writing Neto into the starting forward slot. Grunfeld would trade the first for Ariza. Unseld would trade Gafford for Mitch Richmond. It's on Sheppard now.

[prime1time]

If the Clippers get swept, we need to keep an eye on Kawhi. A sign and trade would be the best-case scenario imo.

[payitforward]

If we draft a small forward this year...

For better or worse, I am unable to think along a line that begins this way. To me, it is obvious that when it's your turn to pick you simply take the best player available -- no matter what position he plays. That way you get the most talent on your roster.

If, at that spot, the best player by far is a PG, but you are deep at PG, then you may want to trade down. Find a team that agrees the PG prospect is "the best player by far," & you should be able to do well in such a trade.

Of course what makes it possible to do well is that it will turn out that e.g. the 3 best players taken from #9 through the end of the draft did not go #9, #10 & #11 -- to my knowledge that's never happened.

...we still need to bring a starting small forward in the offseason....

We'll have a limited budget to spend on a free agent. Suppose that the best player available for that budget -- best by far! -- is a PG or a SG, not a small forward.

Do we push that guy aside & sign a SF? Or do we sign the guy who adds the most talent to our roster?

To me, the answer is obvious. You always sign the best players you can. Period.

Ask yourself how the other method scales over time.

...the forward rotation would like something like this -

xxxx/Deni/Draft pick/Hutchison....

Personally, I've always thought xxxx was over-rated.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Quadruple x sucks.

[mhd]

What about this trade idea:

Wiz trade Bertans for Kennard+#25?

Kennard doesn't even get PT for the Clips (I think he's underrated and Ty Lue stinks as a coach), but he'd give us a badly needed backup PG/SG who can run an offense as a 6th man (he's an underrated ball handler and passer). He's also a really good shooter. His extended contract is actually 3/40 (last year is a team option). Bertans would do well in LA.

Bertans has more value than Kennard, so getting that #25 evens it out.

[TGW]

A middling draft pick this year, Brooks extended, and no pick next year....ooooh weeee the Wizards future is bright.

[pcbothwel]

What about this trade idea:

Wiz trade Bertans for Kennard+#25?

Kennard doesn't even get PT for the Clips (I think he's underrated and Ty Lue stinks as a coach), but he'd give us a badly needed backup PG/SG who can run an offense as a 6th man (he's an underrated ball handler and passer). He's also a really good shooter. His extended contract is actually 3/40 (last year is a team option). Bertans would do well in LA.

Bertans has more value than Kennard, so getting that #25 evens it out.

Yes, I would do it AND resign Mathews. Draft Wagner/Springer/Butler at 15, Dosunmu/Queta/Murphy/Petrusev at 25. Then beg Otto to sign for the MLE. Lol

Russ / Butler
Beal / Kennard
Rui / Mathews
Otto / Deni
Bryant / Gafford

Deep Bench: Queta, Hutch, Winston

[payitforward]

What about this trade idea:

Wiz trade Bertans for Kennard+#25?

Kennard doesn't even get PT for the Clips (I think he's underrated and Ty Lue stinks as a coach), but he'd give us a badly needed backup PG/SG who can run an offense as a 6th man (he's an underrated ball handler and passer). He's also a really good shooter. His extended contract is actually 3/40 (last year is a team option). Bertans would do well in LA.

Bertans has more value than Kennard, so getting that #25 evens it out.

If the Clippers were interested in making this trade, I wouldn't hesitate. But... I can't see them throwing in a R1 pick. TBH, I'm not sure they'd trade Kennard straight up for Bertans. Or that it would make sense for them to do so.

But, who knows...? The Clips don't seem to be very well managed right now; if they're bounced from the playoffs in R1, as seems likely, maybe there'll be an internal melt-down.

As to the players themselves, Kennard over Bertans seems sensible for the Wizards. He's a combo guard, & there'd be plenty of minutes for him behind Russ/Brad. I.e. he definitely fills a hole in our roster.

Of course, losing Bertans would create a new hole. But, maybe it'd be filled with a defense-oriented 4...?

[prime1time]

The big question going forward is do we trade our draft pick or not. If we are trying to build around Beal and Westbrook, I really don’t see why we wouldn’t trade the draft pick.

[pcbothwel]

The big question going forward is do we trade our draft pick or not. If we are trying to build around Beal and Westbrook, I really don’t see why we wouldn’t trade the draft pick.

Because guys like Clarke, Thybulle, Gafford, Cam Johnson, Mays, Quickly, Bey, Tillman, etc. are available outside the lotto every year and are plus, rotation worthy players on playoff teams.

Queta, Butler, Duarte, Murpthy, etc. will all contribute day 1

[Frichuela]

What about this trade idea:

Wiz trade Bertans for Kennard+#25?

Kennard doesn't even get PT for the Clips (I think he's underrated and Ty Lue stinks as a coach), but he'd give us a badly needed backup PG/SG who can run an offense as a 6th man (he's an underrated ball handler and passer). He's also a really good shooter. His extended contract is actually 3/40 (last year is a team option). Bertans would do well in LA.

Bertans has more value than Kennard, so getting that #25 evens it out.

Yes, I would do it AND resign Mathews. Draft Wagner/Springer/Butler at 15, Dosunmu/Queta/Murphy/Petrusev at 25. Then beg Otto to sign for the MLE. Lol

Russ / Butler
Beal / Kennard
Rui / Mathews
Otto / Deni
Bryant / Gafford

Deep Bench: Queta, Hutch, Winston

It would be awesome if our front office could pull a trade like this and combine it with another trade for Christian Wood.

Trade 1:

Kennard + 25 for Bertans

Trade 2:

Wood + 24 for Bryant + Hutchison + 15 + lower protections on our 2023 1st

Russ / Mann (24)
Beal / Kennard
Rui / Mathews/
Otto / Deni
Wood / Gafford/

With 25 should target BPA…particularly at SF, PF or C.
Despite losing Bertans, this line up would have a much improved 3 pt shooting capability with the additions of Kennard, Otto and Mann plus more playing time for Matthews.

[mhd]

What about this trade idea:

Wiz trade Bertans for Kennard+#25?

Kennard doesn't even get PT for the Clips (I think he's underrated and Ty Lue stinks as a coach), but he'd give us a badly needed backup PG/SG who can run an offense as a 6th man (he's an underrated ball handler and passer). He's also a really good shooter. His extended contract is actually 3/40 (last year is a team option). Bertans would do well in LA.

Bertans has more value than Kennard, so getting that #25 evens it out.

If the Clippers were interested in making this trade, I wouldn't hesitate. But... I can't see them throwing in a R1 pick. TBH, I'm not sure they'd trade Kennard straight up for Bertans. Or that it would make sense for them to do so.

But, who knows...? The Clips don't seem to be very well managed right now; if they're bounced from the playoffs in R1, as seems likely, maybe there'll be an internal melt-down.

As to the players themselves, Kennard over Bertans seems sensible for the Wizards. He's a combo guard, & there'd be plenty of minutes for him behind Russ/Brad. I.e. he definitely fills a hole in our roster.

Of course, losing Bertans would create a new hole. But, maybe it'd be filled with a defense-oriented 4...?

Kennard doesn't even play for some reason. I think Bertans has to have more value than a guy who doesn't play. They have Morris as the starting PF (but have nothing backing him up) whereas they have Mann as the backup SG. I think its a good move for both sides. Honestly, I wouldn't haggle over #25.

[Dark Faze]

Can you really trust Christian Wood to stay on the court? Even with Bryant's injury I'd put money on him logging more games than Christian next year.

[pcbothwel]

Can you really trust Christian Wood to stay on the court? Even with Bryant's injury I'd put money on him logging more games than Christian next year.

I think Bryant will actually thrive with 1) A legit, high level defensive Center playing 20 MPG behind him in Gafford, and 2) Being able to spread the floor for Russ and Beal to get to the basket

[mhd]

Can you really trust Christian Wood to stay on the court? Even with Bryant's injury I'd put money on him logging more games than Christian next year.

I think Bryant will actually thrive with 1) A legit, high level defensive Center playing 20 MPG behind him in Gafford, and 2) Being able to spread the floor for Russ and Beal to get to the basket

I'm done with Bryant. He's not going to be resigned considering Gafford has surpassed him. You don't waste money on longterm contracts to backup centers. Bryant is so horrific defensively, that its pointless to resign him after this upcoming year. You can always find backup centers cheaply (See Len). Its better to allocate Bryant's money to wings/combo guards.