Official Trade Thread - Part XLI

[Ruzious]

Mystified.
The guy can play. and he's a shooter, the one skill the NBA really wants right now. No offense to Cassius Winston, but I don't understand how we sign him and let Garrison go.

Winston was signed on a 2-way deal, so he doesn't take up a roster spot and doesn't count toward our cap. Mathews, entering his 3rd season, is no longer eligible to be a 2-way player.

Glad you brought up Winston.

When I look at his college numbers & compare them with Holiday, & when I look at college footage of the two guys, I find it hard to understand why anyone would think of Holiday as having particularly more promise than Winston.

Then I look at their 20-21 NBA numbers. Now... of course you can't rely on results that reflect 100 minutes, so no real conclusions can be taken away from a comparison of Winston & Holiday. But the numbers are still there & worth a look.

Winston's numbers were significantly better than Holiday's. Per 40 minutes, he scored a little more than Holiday -- & at a higher TS% than Holiday as well. He had a higher 3 pt. % than Holiday too. & that was on more attempts than Holiday as well.

In fact Cassius Winston had the highest 3pt. % on the Wizards last year. & was 3d in attempts per 40 minutes as well (behind only Bertans & Mathews). I'm going to guess that you didn't know that.

Winston was also a better rebounding guard than Holiday -- both on defense & on offense. Plus he got more assists than Holiday. & turned it over less than Holiday too.

Again, 100 minutes isn't something to rely on. But in those 100 minutes, Cassius Winston was significantly more productive than Aaron Holiday. He's also a year and a half younger than Aaron Holiday.

How do they compare on the defensive half of the game?

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Again, 100 minutes isn't something to rely on. But in those 100 minutes, Cassius Winston was significantly more productive than Aaron Holiday. He's also a year and a half younger than Aaron Holiday.

Come on. You can't compare 100 minutes of garbage time with a guy who has started half a season's worth of games. With one exception every game Winston played in was a double digit loss. The exception was a double digit win. Nobody was guarding him at the end of those games. If you want to count those 100 minutes, in +/- stats Winston was -22.5 points in on/off ratios. Aaron Holiday was a career net positive in on/off stats. Even in his least productive year he was only -.2 points.

Defense wise I'm not sure what college games you were watching but Xavier TIllman was the difference maker saving Winston. He was noted in college as foot-slow and short armed on defense. Tough minded, smart, good positioning, understanding force rules and anticipating the play, but he had to be because his athleticism wasn't the thing keeping him in the game.

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Winston was signed on a 2-way deal, so he doesn't take up a roster spot and doesn't count toward our cap. Mathews, entering his 3rd season, is no longer eligible to be a 2-way player.

Glad you brought up Winston.

When I look at his college numbers & compare them with Holiday, & when I look at college footage of the two guys, I find it hard to understand why anyone would think of Holiday as having particularly more promise than Winston.

Then I look at their 20-21 NBA numbers. Now... of course you can't rely on results that reflect 100 minutes, so no real conclusions can be taken away from a comparison of Winston & Holiday. But the numbers are still there & worth a look.

Winston's numbers were significantly better than Holiday's. Per 40 minutes, he scored a little more than Holiday -- & at a higher TS% than Holiday as well. He had a higher 3 pt. % than Holiday too. & that was on more attempts than Holiday as well.

In fact Cassius Winston had the highest 3pt. % on the Wizards last year. & was 3d in attempts per 40 minutes as well (behind only Bertans & Mathews). I'm going to guess that you didn't know that.

Winston was also a better rebounding guard than Holiday -- both on defense & on offense. Plus he got more assists than Holiday. & turned it over less than Holiday too.

Again, 100 minutes isn't something to rely on. But in those 100 minutes, Cassius Winston was significantly more productive than Aaron Holiday. He's also a year and a half younger than Aaron Holiday.

How do they compare on the defensive half of the game?

No idea....

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Again, 100 minutes isn't something to rely on. But in those 100 minutes, Cassius Winston was significantly more productive than Aaron Holiday. He's also a year and a half younger than Aaron Holiday.

Come on. You can't compare 100 minutes of garbage time with a guy who has started half a season's worth of games. With one exception every game Winston played in was a double digit loss. The exception was a double digit win. Nobody was guarding him at the end of those games. If you want to count those 100 minutes, in +/- stats Winston was -22.5 points in on/off ratios. Aaron Holiday was a career net positive in on/off stats. Even in his least productive year he was only -.2 points.

Defense wise I'm not sure what college games you were watching but Xavier TIllman was the difference maker saving Winston. He was noted in college as foot-slow and short armed on defense. Tough minded, smart, good positioning, understanding force rules and anticipating the play, but he had to be because his athleticism wasn't the thing keeping him in the game.

Everything you say makes sense, doc. I'm not making any claims for Winston -- &, as I said a few times, you can't rely on 100 minutes to assess a guy. I can't -- & neither can you.

Hey, I like Cassius Winston! Maybe he should retire & become an assistant coach?

[Ruzious]

Glad you brought up Winston.

When I look at his college numbers & compare them with Holiday, & when I look at college footage of the two guys, I find it hard to understand why anyone would think of Holiday as having particularly more promise than Winston.

Then I look at their 20-21 NBA numbers. Now... of course you can't rely on results that reflect 100 minutes, so no real conclusions can be taken away from a comparison of Winston & Holiday. But the numbers are still there & worth a look.

Winston's numbers were significantly better than Holiday's. Per 40 minutes, he scored a little more than Holiday -- & at a higher TS% than Holiday as well. He had a higher 3 pt. % than Holiday too. & that was on more attempts than Holiday as well.

In fact Cassius Winston had the highest 3pt. % on the Wizards last year. & was 3d in attempts per 40 minutes as well (behind only Bertans & Mathews). I'm going to guess that you didn't know that.

Winston was also a better rebounding guard than Holiday -- both on defense & on offense. Plus he got more assists than Holiday. & turned it over less than Holiday too.

Again, 100 minutes isn't something to rely on. But in those 100 minutes, Cassius Winston was significantly more productive than Aaron Holiday. He's also a year and a half younger than Aaron Holiday.

How do they compare on the defensive half of the game?

No idea....

Well, it's probably the main reason that Holiday will play and Winston won't.

[gambitx777]

Beyond me to understand why Garrison Mathews doesn't already have a job.

Doesn't surprise me...although I think he's an NBA player and will be on an NBA team this season.

I would have put money on min with the Lakers!

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Beyond me to understand why Garrison Mathews doesn't already have a job.

If Garrison Mathews looked like Malcolm Brogdon as in if he were a black man he would have an MBA job making at least three million a year

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Beyond me to understand why Garrison Mathews doesn't already have a job.

Maybe he does, PIF. Only... you know... not playing basketball!

Joke of the day…set up and “ba da bing” by PIF

Valet parking is a job

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Beyond me to understand why Garrison Mathews doesn't already have a job.

Mystified.
The guy can play. and he's a shooter, the one skill the NBA really wants right now. No offense to Cassius Winston, but I don't understand how we sign him and let Garrison go.

If the last coach we're not a real short guy named Scott Brooks Garrison Mathews would have a job right now. Randy Wittman is about six foot six he would have really appreciated Matthews

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Beyond me to understand why Garrison Mathews doesn't already have a job.

Yeah, passible defense, elite shooter. Seems like a guy who fits the modern NBA very well. How have the Lakers not picked him up for the minimum already? Unless he and his agent are holding out for more than that.

I am convinced that a lot of spots are random in the NBA. I was talking about jock landale before the San Antonio Spurs gave him a contract. A few people thought I did not know what I was talking about

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I am embarrassed by those posts that I made yesterday

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Mystified.
The guy can play. and he's a shooter, the one skill the NBA really wants right now. No offense to Cassius Winston, but I don't understand how we sign him and let Garrison go.

Winston was signed on a 2-way deal, so he doesn't take up a roster spot and doesn't count toward our cap. Mathews, entering his 3rd season, is no longer eligible to be a 2-way player.

Glad you brought up Winston.

When I look at his college numbers & compare them with Holiday, & when I look at college footage of the two guys, I find it hard to understand why anyone would think of Holiday as having particularly more promise than Winston.

Then I look at their 20-21 NBA numbers. Now... of course you can't rely on results that reflect 100 minutes, so no real conclusions can be taken away from a comparison of Winston & Holiday. But the numbers are still there & worth a look.

Winston's numbers were significantly better than Holiday's. Per 40 minutes, he scored a little more than Holiday -- & at a higher TS% than Holiday as well. He had a higher 3 pt. % than Holiday too. & that was on more attempts than Holiday as well.

In fact Cassius Winston had the highest 3pt. % on the Wizards last year. & was 3d in attempts per 40 minutes as well (behind only Bertans & Mathews). I'm going to guess that you didn't know that.

Winston was also a better rebounding guard than Holiday -- both on defense & on offense. Plus he got more assists than Holiday. & turned it over less than Holiday too.

Again, 100 minutes isn't something to rely on. But in those 100 minutes, Cassius Winston was significantly more productive than Aaron Holiday. He's also a year and a half younger than Aaron Holiday.

Between Aaron and Cassius in a guy like the guy I believe his name is also Aaron Craft that played for Ohio State. Not much difference between these players

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Again, 100 minutes isn't something to rely on. But in those 100 minutes, Cassius Winston was significantly more productive than Aaron Holiday. He's also a year and a half younger than Aaron Holiday.

Come on. You can't compare 100 minutes of garbage time with a guy who has started half a season's worth of games. With one exception every game Winston played in was a double digit loss. The exception was a double digit win. Nobody was guarding him at the end of those games. If you want to count those 100 minutes, in +/- stats Winston was -22.5 points in on/off ratios. Aaron Holiday was a career net positive in on/off stats. Even in his least productive year he was only -.2 points.

Defense wise I'm not sure what college games you were watching but Xavier TIllman was the difference maker saving Winston. He was noted in college as foot-slow and short armed on defense. Tough minded, smart, good positioning, understanding force rules and anticipating the play, but he had to be because his athleticism wasn't the thing keeping him in the game.

This is a great answer. One guy plays hella defense and the other guy does not

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Thank you

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Beyond me to understand why Garrison Mathews doesn't already have a job.

Doesn't surprise me...although I think he's an NBA player and will be on an NBA team this season.

I would have put money on min with the Lakers!

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He needs to go with Boston.

[gambitx777]

I don't know where we possibly send bertans too. To be totally honest here. I don't really see an option. I mean maybe a contender later in the year???

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[gambitx777]

I got the perfect trade !

Bertans
For
Temple and the Lakers 22 first

The pells have a big giant chunky trade exception to use and they need shooting BAD and they are lacking another forward/wing player who can shoot.this makes sense with them having a bunch of SGs already on the team bertans makes sense for them.

Temple can come back to the wiz as a glue guy and get a few defensive minutes but this would balance the team. We have Rui and Kuz as the starters, then Kispert and deni then, Todd and gill as reserves and you have Trez who can grab a few PF minutes in a pinch and KCP who can play SF minutes in a pinch.

They give up an extra pick for bertans and nothing of real value, that Lakers pick will be 20-30 for sure. They really need shooting to help flush this team out. This would just be a pretty smart move by both teams !

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[Ruzious]

I got the perfect trade !

Bertans
For
Temple and the Lakers 22 first

The pells have a big giant chunky trade exception to use and they need shooting BAD and they are lacking another forward/wing player who can shoot.this makes sense with them having a bunch of SGs already on the team bertans makes sense for them.

Temple can come back to the wiz as a glue guy and get a few defensive minutes but this would balance the team. We have Rui and Kuz as the starters, then Kispert and deni then, Todd and gill as reserves and you have Trez who can grab a few PF minutes in a pinch and KCP who can play SF minutes in a pinch.

They give up an extra pick for bertans and nothing of real value, that Lakers pick will be 20-30 for sure. They really need shooting to help flush this team out. This would just be a pretty smart move by both teams !

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Do you know what the trade exception is for? The only 1 I see for them is for 3.9 milion for Melli, and that wouldn't be enough. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-orleans-pelicans/cap/

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't know where we possibly send bertans too. To be totally honest here. I don't really see an option. I mean maybe a contender later in the year???

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I have an idea. Why don't we let the guy have a chance to redeem himself? Last years old lady had his first kid and he got out of shape and he had an injury. He should be by far the best shooter that we have. I believe you can play Birds hands at Center. I love that Google mistake. Burton's would be a really good Princeton Center. If Wes unseld jr. Has any type of relationship with Eddie Jordan I think they should really get together and talk about

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Translation. Last year for tens and his wife welcomed a baby. Davis bertans is not for tens