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Post#1861 » by Induveca » Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:01 pm

payitforward wrote:
Ruzious wrote:I'd definitely prefer to have Noel over Porter, but let's at least wait to see how Porter does in the playoffs - assuming Wittman plays him in the playoffs - before panning him. It's not far-fetched to believe that Wittman would be playing Seraphin over Noel. That might have been even more frustrating.

Seems almost certain he'd be playing Seraphin over Noel, now that you mention it! :)

Noel being really good doesn't make Porter worse. As you say, lets give the kid a chance.


Haha thanks that pathetically actually made me feel better. You're 100% on the money Seraphin would definitely be above Noel on the depth chart.
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Post#1862 » by Induveca » Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:08 pm

payitforward wrote:What's really going to be frustrating is when Philadelphia is one of the dominant teams in the league, and we suck again -- or stay more or less average by way of patchwork moves.


When Noel dropped to us I was ecstatic. I wanted to break something when they picked Porter........

Ernie had deeply implanted a knife in all of our backs with this one. Each Noel/Porter box score is twisting that knife a bit......ugh.
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Post#1863 » by keynote » Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:26 pm

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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1864 » by Earth2Ted » Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:39 pm

Induveca wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Ruzious wrote:I'd definitely prefer to have Noel over Porter, but let's at least wait to see how Porter does in the playoffs - assuming Wittman plays him in the playoffs - before panning him. It's not far-fetched to believe that Wittman would be playing Seraphin over Noel. That might have been even more frustrating.

Seems almost certain he'd be playing Seraphin over Noel, now that you mention it! :)

Noel being really good doesn't make Porter worse. As you say, lets give the kid a chance.


Haha thanks that pathetically actually made me feel better. You're 100% on the money Seraphin would definitely be above Noel on the depth chart.

I feel your pain there - Noel isn't just an athlete, he has exceptional timing and hands as well.

I was already against taking Otto-after his performance in the ncaa vs fgcu really exposed his shortcomings.

And beyond that, I don't see how any wiz fan that went through the trauma of losing webber for basically nothing doesn't cringe every time we pass up a potential stud big man in the draft.

Maybe that's part of the problem with Ted and Ernie- they didn't feel that loss the way we did.
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Post#1865 » by miller31time » Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:51 pm

keynote wrote:Ugh.

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1258257&start=540#start_here


I'm glad you posted that. This board really did have it right. It's not that we thought Otto was a crappy player or that we were doomed but the clear consensus from the posters here was that Noel should have obvious pick and that Ernie made (yet another) mistake.

So file another one under "Even without hindsight, we're smarter than Ernie."
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Post#1866 » by FAH1223 » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:25 pm

keynote wrote:Ugh.

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1258257&start=540#start_here


This front office will never draft a big man worth a damn
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Post#1867 » by closg00 » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:49 pm

We were in the same position with Vesely, that is hoping that the player (Porter), will rise to where he was selected.

I hope that Porter adds 20 pounds and some confidence during his rookie contract, and that Pierce retires or opts-out (doubtful). There is still hope that Porter will be decent in a few years.
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Post#1868 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:40 pm

Induveca wrote:Noel last night: 23 points 14 rebounds 3 blocks 5 steals

Otto last night: 2 points, 3 rebounds

This is really going to frustrate me for the next decade. Noel with 16+ points in 4 of their last 5 games. And his contributions are actually leading to some wins lately (2 in a row, 3 of 5).


Ted Leonsis went to Georgetown. So did Otto Porter.

Too bad Ted Leonsis didn't go to Kentucky.
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Post#1869 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:50 pm

payitforward wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Barkley speaks from ...the old school logic, that unless you've played the game, it's impossible to accurately judge the performance of players because you haven't experienced or know what it actually takes to play ball at a professional level.

I don't know how anyone could take him seriously or support his arguments.

On the money. But, I can assure you, our GM takes that perspective seriously! He's from that same old school.*

The difference, of course, is that nothing hangs on what Barkley says -- he's an entertainer. Ernie has had it in his power to p#ss in a whole bunch of bowls of soup, unfortunately. :(


* For a long time, nearly all NBA GMs were ex-players. Most of them were terrible at their jobs, and the few good ones (Red Auerbach leaps to mind) picked the other guys' pockets all the time. I lived in SF and was a rabid Warriors fan when Al Attles traded Robert Parish and the #3 pick (Kevin McHale) for the #1 pick (Joe Barry Carroll) and #13 pick (Rickey Brown -- lasted 2 seasons).


Compounding the matter are that: 1) The coach is also from the same old school as the GM, and, 2) The owner is unduly close personally to the GM.
Neither Randy Wittman nor Ernie Grunfeld are sharp and Ted is a fan boy of Ernie.

That year EG drafted Vesely and Singleton when Faried and Leonard were obviously better players should have gotten EG fired. Klay Thompson and Nikola Vucevic were also in that same draft.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1870 » by hands11 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:05 am

keynote wrote:Ugh.

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1258257&start=540#start_here


Gotta love this post from one of our own....

My draft day board*:

1.) Noel
2.) Porter
3.) Bennett
4.) Zeller

- Trade McLemore or Dipo if they're there and another team comes calling.

* I reserve the right to change this board in the future if hindsight makes it look stupid.
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Post#1871 » by dckingsfan » Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:18 pm

Mine was to trade down for 2 bigs... Two of Adams, Olynyk, Dieng, Gobert or Plumlee

Probably could have worked out the Gobert/Plumlee tandem - then again, it was a weak draft.
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Post#1872 » by hands11 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:24 pm

Here is the meat of the conversation about Noel dropping past so many teams and there being concerns about his long term health.

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Post#1873 » by keynote » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:53 pm

hands11 wrote:Here is the meat of the conversation about Noel dropping past so many teams and there being concerns about his long term health.

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In the moment, many fans latched on to Noels' dropping stock as evidence for missing information we didn't have at the time. (oh, his knee must be mangled). But fans were grasping for that information because, without that information, picking Porter over Noel didn't make much sense.

Besides: the fact that Noel dropped past other teams doesn't retroactively legitimize the Wizards' decision. The FO's job should be to outperform the competition -- and that includes avoiding mistakes made by others.
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Post#1874 » by The Consiglieri » Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:01 pm

i think people forget that GM's don't have the same priorities as fans. A GM's interest #1, is in avoiding getting fired, so they can not be relied upon consistently to make a decision in the long term interest of a franchise. That '13 draft was a great example of it, as teams at the top of the draft almost across the board made horrible decisions while teams with safer GM's later in the draft, made wiser decisions.

My solution to that is to fire a GM before they can be allowed to make such a destructive decision. That's why I would have fired GMGM before he made the worst trade in the history of the Washington Capitals simply to try and save his job by landing an 8 seed for the playoffs, while selling the future away for peanuts, that's why I would have fired Casserly before he traded a top 10 draft pick for Brad Johnson in 1999, and sold nearly all the booty we got from the Saints in the Ricky Williams trade, to move up a couple of slots for Bailey, and that's why I would have fired EG in 2009. Instead he was allowed to do a fifteen years of damage to the franchise in just five years of work. Instead he was kept on to botch the 2011, and 2013 drafts in addition to his disastrous performance in 2009.
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Post#1875 » by Higga » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:55 pm

If it wasn't for lucking into Wall in 2010, Grunfeld would basically be another Wes Unseld. Maybe even worse somehow. Some of those draft results...my god. If we hit on even one or two of them we'd be competing with Atlanta right now for the #1 seed.
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Post#1876 » by hands11 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:45 pm

The Consiglieri wrote:i think people forget that GM's don't have the same priorities as fans. A GM's interest #1, is in avoiding getting fired, so they can not be relied upon consistently to make a decision in the long term interest of a franchise. That '13 draft was a great example of it, as teams at the top of the draft almost across the board made horrible decisions while teams with safer GM's later in the draft, made wiser decisions.

My solution to that is to fire a GM before they can be allowed to make such a destructive decision. That's why I would have fired GMGM before he made the worst trade in the history of the Washington Capitals simply to try and save his job by landing an 8 seed for the playoffs, while selling the future away for peanuts, that's why I would have fired Casserly before he traded a top 10 draft pick for Brad Johnson in 1999, and sold nearly all the booty we got from the Saints in the Ricky Williams trade, to move up a couple of slots for Bailey, and that's why I would have fired EG in 2009. Instead he was allowed to do a fifteen years of damage to the franchise in just five years of work. Instead he was kept on to botch the 2011, and 2013 drafts in addition to his disastrous performance in 2009.


Not even that always works.

Skins got a new front office with HOF X coach Joe Freakn Gibbs. He was going to come in and save the day.

What did they do ? They lost Champ Bailey who went on to be one of the best corners in the league. What did they get. Portis and Mark Brunell who they over paid for to many years. Then they moved on to trade picks for get Campbell.

Hated both moves at the time. It was an over reaction. Gibbs should went with what he had for one year. Evaluated it. Then made moves. And IIRC, they bid against themselves for Brunell. No one was looking to sign him for that much and for that long.

Bailey was looking for a big contract and the dude even played some WR. He was a stud.
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Post#1877 » by hands11 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:02 pm

Higga wrote:If it wasn't for lucking into Wall in 2010, Grunfeld would basically be another Wes Unseld. Maybe even worse somehow. Some of those draft results...my god. If we hit on even one or two of them we'd be competing with Atlanta right now for the #1 seed.


Come on. That is going a way over board.

Unseld as a coach and GM/VP is in a special class all to himself.

The combination of Abe/Wes was a total disaster. That's an NBA all time worst front office right there. And they have the data to prove it. This was the Curse of Les Boulez.

Unseld holds the NBA record as worst coach with over 500 games coached at .369. Thats 6 straight seasons on the same team. Not a bad team here and a bad team there and some bad luck with rosters. That 6 straight years on the same team with an owner who loved him and would do anything he said. Dude was even in the front office for years.

Grunfeld and/or Ted/Grunfeld are no where near that level of terrible.
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Post#1878 » by Dat2U » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:26 pm

hands11, wrong about Ernie Grunfeld since 2005.
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Post#1879 » by FAH1223 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:36 pm

The fact that Webster is playing over Otto is just coaching incompetence.

Otto is the better player. I feel for the kid. He can't develop here under this regime and young players make mistakes all the time. But this coach refuses to put him in positions to succeed and progress.

Porter is best served playing in the starting lineup, the Wizards do have a decent record when he starts. Pierce is best served as a stretch PF or the 6th man.
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Post#1880 » by hands11 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:13 pm

Dat2U wrote:hands11, wrong about Ernie Grunfeld since 2005.


DAT2U..wrong about everything since 2001

wow.. great posts.. that accomplished a lot. Neither is accurate. But we won't let that get in the way.

Actually. I have been pretty spot on about EG.

Don't get your undies in a bundle because I rightfully label your favorite owner and favorite GM/Coach Abe and Wes on the all time worst ever list.

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