Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[Kanyewest]

Not my trade idea but thought it was interesting.

Love, Thompson, and Cleveland's 1st for Porter and Gortat

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7o39bmr

Wizards would most likely have to use the first to dump salary.

I probably wouldn't pull the trigger, I think Porter struggles lately could be due to his hip, although I wonder if that will get better with rest or persist for the rest of his career.

[payitforward]

...2. We can't make any trades that will improve our team, b/c we have no tradeable assets that are over-valued by other NBA teams (so that they'll send us a more valuable player than we send them). It is very important to understand this point. ....

...zero evidence of 2. How do you know some analytics driven FO doesnt view Otto as a star being held back by Wall/Beal... You dont and neither do I

That's a legitimate point if you have a relatively low opinion of Otto, which I don't. In fact, I'm pretty sure Otto is "...held back by Wall/Beal...." At least by Wall in any case. But that's something to debate in another thread.

But any player on any team ought to be available to be traded, so why not Otto? Assuming your scenario, what is a trade that on your view would send out Otto & get back something that would "improve our team?"

I can't come up with one that seems realistic to me -- i.e. not something like Otto Porter for Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier & the high pick (Sacramento's?) Boston has in the '18 draft. You can sign me up for that one!

The only overall scenario I can imagine would bring us a big expiring salary along w/ some young players & picks. Plug in the right variables & that could work, but I can't find the right ones.

Now, lets say Porter to the Lakers & Lopez, Nance, & Hart to us? I'd do that, but I don't think the Lakers would. Substitute Kuzma for Nance, & I'm not interested. Make it Lopez, Kuzma, Hart & their R1 pick this year, & it's closer to possible -- above all b/c it helps w/ salary structure in the next few years. But, again, I can't see the Lakers wanting to change their squad that much this early in their rebuild.

Note that I'd rather trade Wall or Beal than Otto in any of those deals.

[Wizardspride]

Not my trade idea but thought it was interesting.

Love, Thompson, and Cleveland's 1st for Porter and Gortat

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7o39bmr

Wizards would most likely have to use the first to dump salary.

I probably wouldn't pull the trigger, I think Porter struggles lately could be due to his hip, although I wonder if that will get better with rest or persist for the rest of his career.

Porter first suffered this injury in his first training camp.

That was 4 years ago.

[Kanyewest]

Not my trade idea but thought it was interesting.

Love, Thompson, and Cleveland's 1st for Porter and Gortat

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7o39bmr

Wizards would most likely have to use the first to dump salary.

I probably wouldn't pull the trigger, I think Porter struggles lately could be due to his hip, although I wonder if that will get better with rest or persist for the rest of his career.

Porter first suffered this injury in his first training camp.

That was 4 years ago.

True. Thing is Kevin Love hasn't been that durable hence the reason his team is complaining about him. Either way, the Wizards could potentially use the first to get out of the tax.

[Kanyewest]

...2. We can't make any trades that will improve our team, b/c we have no tradeable assets that are over-valued by other NBA teams (so that they'll send us a more valuable player than we send them). It is very important to understand this point. ....

...zero evidence of 2. How do you know some analytics driven FO doesnt view Otto as a star being held back by Wall/Beal... You dont and neither do I

That's a legitimate point if you have a relatively low opinion of Otto, which I don't. In fact, I'm pretty sure Otto is "...held back by Wall/Beal...." At least by Wall in any case. But that's something to debate in another thread.

But any player on any team ought to be available to be traded, so why not Otto? Assuming your scenario, what is a trade that on your view would send out Otto & get back something that would "improve our team?"

I can't come up with one that seems realistic to me -- i.e. not something like Otto Porter for Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier & the high pick (Sacramento's?) Boston has in the '18 draft. You can sign me up for that one!

The only overall scenario I can imagine would bring us a big expiring salary along w/ some young players & picks. Plug in the right variables & that could work, but I can't find the right ones.

Now, lets say Porter to the Lakers & Lopez, Nance, & Hart to us? I'd do that, but I don't think the Lakers would. Substitute Kuzma for Nance, & I'm not interested. Make it Lopez, Kuzma, Hart & their R1 pick this year, & it's closer to possible -- above all b/c it helps w/ salary structure in the next few years. But, again, I can't see the Lakers wanting to change their squad that much this early in their rebuild.

Note that I'd rather trade Wall or Beal than Otto in any of those deals.

I think I'd rather have Kuzma than Nance. Nance is better right now, but Kuzma was about as good as Nance in his rookie season. Kuzma is also locked into his contract for a few more season. The Wizards also would need a wing to replace Otto.

[pcbothwel]

...2. We can't make any trades that will improve our team, b/c we have no tradeable assets that are over-valued by other NBA teams (so that they'll send us a more valuable player than we send them). It is very important to understand this point. ....

...zero evidence of 2. How do you know some analytics driven FO doesnt view Otto as a star being held back by Wall/Beal... You dont and neither do I

That's a legitimate point if you have a relatively low opinion of Otto, which I don't. In fact, I'm pretty sure Otto is "...held back by Wall/Beal...." At least by Wall in any case. But that's something to debate in another thread.

But any player on any team ought to be available to be traded, so why not Otto? Assuming your scenario, what is a trade that on your view would send out Otto & get back something that would "improve our team?"

I can't come up with one that seems realistic to me -- i.e. not something like Otto Porter for Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier & the high pick (Sacramento's?) Boston has in the '18 draft. You can sign me up for that one!

The only overall scenario I can imagine would bring us a big expiring salary along w/ some young players & picks. Plug in the right variables & that could work, but I can't find the right ones.

Now, lets say Porter to the Lakers & Lopez, Nance, & Hart to us? I'd do that, but I don't think the Lakers would. Substitute Kuzma for Nance, & I'm not interested. Make it Lopez, Kuzma, Hart & their R1 pick this year, & it's closer to possible -- above all b/c it helps w/ salary structure in the next few years. But, again, I can't see the Lakers wanting to change their squad that much this early in their rebuild.

Note that I'd rather trade Wall or Beal than Otto in any of those deals.

Any deal would have to give us assets and under the tax. We also need some win now pieces...
One interesting group is Portland and the Suns. Portland needs a wing, Phoenix needs a PG with at least 3 years of control (I.E. CJ), and we need pieces and tax relief... Though it gets a little tough to make the value right... Other than that:

Sacramento .... Otto and Mahinmi for Hill, VC, & WCS plus assets (Jackson, Giles, Mason, 1st)
Chicago .... Otto and Mahinmi for Lopez, Mirotic, plus assets (Grant, Valentine, Picks)
Denver .... Otto, Mahinmi, Smith, meeks for Plumlee, Faried, Chandler, Barton plus assets (Lydon/Hernangomez, picks, etc)

[Wiz99]

Would you do Love, the Brooklyn first and cap filler for Wall and Mahinmi?

Con: man on the street would say Wall is the face of the franchise, how could you trade him?

Pro: we’ve seen the limits of Wall’s leadership so why not turn this into Beal’s team, let Otto spread wings, get out of impending cap hell so we can keep Oubre, get a lotto pick, and oh yah a 40% from 3 big suited to today’s game.

Wall cant be traded until this summer

Then let’s do it after the Finals, before the draft.

Cleveland’s management will be in full panic mode of “How do we keep LeBron?! We gotta get a true All Star running mate for him!” Or “LeBron’s leaving! We gotta get a true All Star to keep butts in the seats and our jobs!”

If Cleveland is willing, would you say yes?

[Ruzious]

The problem with the Porter trades is the question of how damaged his hip is. The Wiz certainly haven't helped matters by playing him 30 plus minutes a game when it was clear it was bothering him to the point that he was ineffective. The way he looked when getting removed from the Dallas game was not a good sign.

[nate33]

Super max Wall next season for Damian Lillard and whatever the Blazers send.

If Wall could be traded, this would be a really good deal for us. If that offer is still on the table in the offseason (when Wall is eligible for trade), I'd be all over it.

I think Lillard is a better player than Wall, and he's reportedly a very good leader as well. Finally, he'll be paid $9M a year less than Wall (once Wall's extension kicks in).

[Dark Faze]

Welp, if Kawhi is indeed available, I'd offer Oubre and Otto, preferably without having to attach a first.

[nate33]

Not my trade idea but thought it was interesting.

Love, Thompson, and Cleveland's 1st for Porter and Gortat

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7o39bmr

Wizards would most likely have to use the first to dump salary.

I probably wouldn't pull the trigger, I think Porter struggles lately could be due to his hip, although I wonder if that will get better with rest or persist for the rest of his career.

In reality, we wouldn't get that 1st round pick as well. The deal would be Love + Thompson for Porter + Gortat. I wouldn't be interested in that. The problem is that both Love and Thompson are incomplete players who cause a team to have to do unusual things to compensate for their weaknesses. The great thing about Porter is that he's a legit 2-way player who can play 2 positions effectively at both ends of the floor. His versatility gives us a lot of options. I also think he'll get better and he'll fill out more.

[NatP4]

Super max Wall next season for Damian Lillard and whatever the Blazers send.

If Wall could be traded, this would be a really good deal for us. If that offer is still on the table in the offseason (when Wall is eligible for trade), I'd be all over it.

I think Lillard is a better player than Wall, and he's reportedly a very good leader as well. Finally, he'll be paid $9M a year less than Wall (once Wall's extension kicks in).

Our team would be ridiculously good with Lillard-Beal-Oubre-Porter. Why would the blazers ever do that?

[Ruzious]

Welp, if Kawhi is indeed available, I'd offer Oubre and Otto, preferably without having to attach a first.

Gotta consider it - even if our depth would take a hit that it can't afford. Amazing that SA has apparently mis-handled him to the point that he doesn't want to play there - according to Jalen Rose. He doesn't seem like the kind of player that's hard to keep happy. Such a phenominal 2-way player and just 26.

Then draft Keita Bates-Diop and Bonzi Colson.

[NatP4]

I’d probably trade Wall and Mahinmi for Kemba Walker and Dwight Howard

[pcbothwel]

Would you do Love, the Brooklyn first and cap filler for Wall and Mahinmi?

Con: man on the street would say Wall is the face of the franchise, how could you trade him?

Pro: we’ve seen the limits of Wall’s leadership so why not turn this into Beal’s team, let Otto spread wings, get out of impending cap hell so we can keep Oubre, get a lotto pick, and oh yah a 40% from 3 big suited to today’s game.

Wall cant be traded until this summer

Then let’s do it after the Finals, before the draft.

Cleveland’s management will be in full panic mode of “How do we keep LeBron?! We gotta get a true All Star running mate for him!” Or “LeBron’s leaving! We gotta get a true All Star to keep butts in the seats and our jobs!”

If Cleveland is willing, would you say yes?

No. Why should we help the Cavs keep Lebron?

BTW, Cavs should be on the Phone with Portland to send IT and Love to their home on the West Coast for CJ and Aminu/Harkless

[80sballboy]

Look, this ain't happening but it's fun to talk about. If I'm going to trade Wall, I'd rather get young prospects in the frontcourt. Lillard isn't the playmaker that Wall is. He's never averaged over 6.8 assists per game and he's shooting 43.6 percent from the floor in what is supposed to be his best season ever. I know he's a terrific player and is a great scorer, but I'd like my point guard to be more playmaker than scorer. He's kind of like Gilbert without the drama.

I know John is having a bad season for him and is still putting up nearly 20 and 10. The first half is a complete disaster due tp expectations and we are 5 games over .500. As great as Lillard is and in his tremendous start, the Trailblazers are 25-22.

Other than the Boston win, nothing that this team has done has shown me that they are a 5-7 EC playoff team and maybe worse. How about we shake things up with a deal or two and maybe that will help.

[Kanyewest]

Look, this ain't happening but it's fun to talk about. If I'm going to trade Wall, I'd rather get young prospects in the frontcourt. Lillard isn't the playmaker that Wall is. He's never averaged over 6.8 assists per game and he's shooting 43.6 percent from the floor in what is supposed to be his best season ever. I know he's a terrific player and is a great scorer, but I'd like my point guard to be more playmaker than scorer. He's kind of like Gilbert without the drama.

I know John is having a bad season for him and is still putting up nearly 20 and 10. The first half is a complete disaster due tp expectations and we are 5 games over .500. As great as Lillard is and in his tremendous start, the Trailblazers are 25-22.

Other than the Boston win, nothing that this team has done has shown me that they are a 5-7 EC playoff team and maybe worse. How about we shake things up with a deal or two and maybe that will help.

That field goal percentage stat is misleading. Lillard has a TS% of 58%.

[NatP4]

I think pairing a scoring guard like Kyrie/Lillard with Beal/Porter is actually a better fit and much tougher to guard. Wall was great when pick and roll was the thing. Now everyone just switches everything and one on one scoring is much more important.

[King Ken]

What would it take for you to take a deal for Shumpert or J.R. Smith from Cleveland?

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[Kanyewest]

Not my trade idea but thought it was interesting.

Love, Thompson, and Cleveland's 1st for Porter and Gortat

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7o39bmr

Wizards would most likely have to use the first to dump salary.

I probably wouldn't pull the trigger, I think Porter struggles lately could be due to his hip, although I wonder if that will get better with rest or persist for the rest of his career.

In reality, we wouldn't get that 1st round pick as well. The deal would be Love + Thompson for Porter + Gortat. I wouldn't be interested in that. The problem is that both Love and Thompson are incomplete players who cause a team to have to do unusual things to compensate for their weaknesses. The great thing about Porter is that he's a legit 2-way player who can play 2 positions effectively at both ends of the floor. His versatility gives us a lot of options. I also think he'll get better and he'll fill out more.

I still think Cleveland would have to offer the pick which is likely to be the 2nd last pick of the first round because Washington would be taking on $2 million more in salary and both teams are both over the tax.