Political Roundtable Part XXII

[stilldropin20]

i wish the rhetoric was less harsh but i understand she is responding to Don lemmon and others calling kanye various forms of the n word. not cool to me but it is what it is and im told its none of my business because im not black so i get it and understand. but this is worth listening to another voice like kanye, like owens, like payne, like sewell, like elder, and thousands more. I hear many people like her say similar things everyday in my neighborhood and my office but obviously with significantly less harsh rhetoric obviously.

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[stilldropin20]

so the coup was real after all. Nate and I were right? Again?

where have all the collusion cowboys gone?

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[stilldropin20]

oh don lemmon, never change!

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you neither brooke!

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and remember, this is NOT mob rule!

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[Ruzious]

Not sure there's anything more pathetic than a bunch of rednecks packing these pep rallies for Trump - the only purpose of which is to engorge his already morbidly obese wart-infested ego.

John McCain was a cowboy; Trump is the polar opposite - a whiny, draft-dodging, tax-evading, habitual lying, cheating, ego-maniacal, spoiled rotten to the core brat.

[Ruzious]

you started out decently and fell apart half way through. You are guilty of assigning the same kind of judgment you condemn. You change, azzwhipe!

Comments like this will be what you'll be remembered for - if you're remembered at all. That and polluting the board with numerous ridiculously long and foolish posts that look like cries for attention.

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"Stupid idiot" Senator Warren helps to create a real free market for hearing aids:

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That commie.

The more I see from Warren, the more I am convinced she needs to be the Senate Majority Leader.

I expect she will seek the 2020 presidential nomination, especially if Bernie doesn't, but I think she is a better fit for Senate leadership. I also think that would utilize her talent more than being the VP.

I think Knobuchar and Harris would be 2 good options for the 2020 presidential nominee.

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Trump supporting lazy good-for-nothings:

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I bet MAGA hat sales in those areas are through the roof. But they are HIS lazy good for nothings.

[GhostofChenier]

Not sure there's anything more pathetic than a bunch of rednecks packing these pep rallies for Trump - the only purpose of which is to engorge his already morbidly obese wart-infested ego.

John McCain was a cowboy; Trump is the polar opposite - a whiny, draft-dodging, tax-evading, habitual lying, cheating, ego-maniacal, spoiled rotten to the core brat.

You are a bad personality. Hypocrite. Name call like a simple child. Half of country vote for him so u r saying 50% people are bad.

Only fool thinks this way.

[montestewart]

Not sure there's anything more pathetic than a bunch of rednecks packing these pep rallies for Trump - the only purpose of which is to engorge his already morbidly obese wart-infested ego.

John McCain was a cowboy; Trump is the polar opposite - a whiny, draft-dodging, tax-evading, habitual lying, cheating, ego-maniacal, spoiled rotten to the core brat.

You are a bad personality. Hypocrite. Name call like a simple child. Half of country vote for him so u r saying 50% people are bad.

Only fool thinks this way.

Not really true. History is filled with countries and governments led by horrible, dangerous people who enjoyed popular support. Are you saying the supporters of horrible, dangerous leaders should not be held accountable for their support of horrible, dangerous leaders? If so, you seem to be making a mockery of popular support itself. South Park did it better in Turd vs. Douch.

The name of that South Park episode notwithstanding, try to watch the language and name calling, my friends. I've probably mentioned before that I consider terms like redneck, cracker, white trash, etc. to be class-based broad-brush pejoratives. They were pretty common terms for me growing up, but I've tried to work them out of my vocabulary.

And STD, watch the high school level language-filter evading vulgarities. You're clever enough to do better than that. It's hard for me to not look at such uses as you intentionally testing board rules limits. So don't. Same with everyone else, stop goading, stop being goaded, stop calling anyone here "a POS" or similar, etc. You don't have to like each other, and it's frequently very emotional subject matter, but try to stick to the subject matter, and debate in a more concise (ahem, STD), matter-of-fact manner.

As much as a lot of people deride Nate around here, in the days when he was the primary voice of conservatism in this thread, there routinely were extended point-counterpoint discussions that gave a very informative perspective regarding political conflict. Agree with him or not (most of you know I don't agree with him on much politically), it sure feels like we lost something when he was displaced by STD, and yet the tenor of this board seems an accurate reflection of popular political discourse, for better or worse.

Regardless, they may be crapping in the streets, but in our house, there will be toilet paper. Try to watch the language, epithets, name calling, and emotion. Considering the life-or-death (and most everyone here considers it so) subject matter frequently discussed, it's hard to expect people to constantly be polite and civil. Just remember this is first and foremost a basketball board, most here are fellow Wizards fans, it's an all ages board so try to keep comments somewhat family friendly, and we have people of all races, nationalities, and occasionally a few women drop by (maybe some Mystics visit?), etc. Overly broad and careless comments can end up insulting people beyond the intended targets. Try to confine your critiques and comments to individuals, behaviors, and views.

OK, that's my visit for the day. Gotta go to work. Soldier on.

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Pee pee!

[Ruzious]

Not sure there's anything more pathetic than a bunch of rednecks packing these pep rallies for Trump - the only purpose of which is to engorge his already morbidly obese wart-infested ego.

John McCain was a cowboy; Trump is the polar opposite - a whiny, draft-dodging, tax-evading, habitual lying, cheating, ego-maniacal, spoiled rotten to the core brat.

You are a bad personality. Hypocrite. Name call like a simple child. Half of country vote for him so u r saying 50% people are bad.

Only fool thinks this way.

I see you are using the same tactics that Trump is - accusing others of being what you really are. Regardless, I didn't say or even think that everyone who voted for Trump is bad.

If you really have the background you say you do (which you don't), you'd know it's a religious requirement for Jewish people to speak out about oppressive leadership - regardless of popularity. Using your logic... no Germans should have spoken out about Hitler because he was popular.

[daoneandonly]

But if its simply an accidental pregnancy, whether you wore protection or not, the risks are known, and people should have to be accountable accordingly if they happen to get pregnant. And I do indeed mean people, as you mentioned both the man or the woman.

So you are choosing the option strengthening male responsibility and actually enforcing it. Great, now let's stop all this protesting abortion nonsense and get to the point about how we're going to actually start holding men accountable in similarly significant ways to which women are held accountable.

Though, another sad reality in this whole thing is if a woman wants the abortion but the man doesn't, he's just out of luck, because it's 100% the woman's choice.

Ah, I see, nevermind. You are very much like those others I know in my Church who will agree in theory but then quickly change the subject. Why does the woman have to be responsible for her actions but if we devise a social situation where a man might be responsible for his actions in helping create a situation where a woman wants and abortion but he doesn't, that we should protect him from his actions? It isn't like there are women out there trying to trick men into getting the pregnant so they can have an abortion when they know the man doesn't want the baby. There is lots that goes into situations like that. If a man's actions put him in that sort of situation, it's actually a much lesser cost that he have no say than it is to force the costs onto the woman into a decision she doesn't want.

On one hand you spoke about trying to hold everyone accountable and now you're talking about a situation where a man might be inconvenienced by not having a say in a decision following some sort of relationship (if it even was a relationship at all) that has gone sour for any number of reasons. So are you interested in holding men accountable or aren't you? It sure sounds like you aren't, because we haven't even gotten in to the discussion of far more serious means of holding them accountable and you're already discussing issues of relatively minor inconvenience as though they are essentially non-starters.

And I don't know how you jumped to the conclusion you went off on above, perhaps I was not clear or you misunderstood what i said, but this does not illustrate any of what I said or feel. I never said women should bear the entire responsibility of a pregnancy, it takes 2 to tango, both parties are responsible without question.

I stand by what I said in I feel no sympathy or compassion for a man or woman who both want and proceed to have an abortion because it was unplanned and/or unexpected. I already mentioned cases of rape and the baby or woman's life in danger are horrific cirumcstances no one should ever have to endure, so I feel whole heartedly for those.

How do you say a man is inconvenienced if he wants to have a child and the woman aborts him/her? How is that an inconvenience, traffic is an inconvenience, your child being killed against your wishes is a heartless act. On the flip side, if he feels inconvenienced because he does not want to be a father but she wants to have the child, to f'n bad for him, he's the father and he's responsible.

[dckingsfan]

Not sure there's anything more pathetic than a bunch of rednecks packing these pep rallies for Trump - the only purpose of which is to engorge his already morbidly obese wart-infested ego.

John McCain was a cowboy; Trump is the polar opposite - a whiny, draft-dodging, tax-evading, habitual lying, cheating, ego-maniacal, spoiled rotten to the core brat.

You are a bad personality. Hypocrite. Name call like a simple child. Half of country vote for him so u r saying 50% people are bad.

Only fool thinks this way.

I see you are using the same tactics that Trump is - accusing others of being what you really are. Regardless, I didn't say or even think that everyone who voted for Trump is bad.

If you really have the background you say you do (which you don't), you'd know it's a religious requirement for Jewish people to speak out about oppressive leadership - regardless of popularity. Using your logic... no Germans should have spoken out about Hitler because he was popular.

Trump is the polar opposite (of McCain) - True.

a whiny - true

draft-dodging - true

tax-evading - true

habitual lying - true

cheating - true

ego-maniacal - true

spoiled rotten to the core brat - true

Now you know why SD had such a hard time with the post. It wasn't factually incorrect

[daoneandonly]

You have your opinion on when life begins, I have mine, I find the fetus isnt life talk as ridiculous myself.

And I never said all abortions, in cases where the mother or child's life is compromised, those are situations no one should ever have to go through, but unfortunately are reality. of course you understand those circumstances, I'm talking about the #1 reason for abortions, the whoops, oops, unplanned. Abortion isn't an after birth control option, it's a selfish, vile act in those situations.

Well, technically life begins after fertilization, so you are technically correct, the best kind of correct. I respect your opinion, granted I am not 100% sure on all abortion to be legal myself, but to compare fetus to grown person, and to say that pro abortion people are basically are pro murder is asinine in my opinion. I think there is more to being alive than just DNA cells multiplying,

Life & death are everywhere. Life doesn't begin after fertilization; it precedes fertilization. You can't create life out of anything non-living.

What's at question here is not "when life starts." Life never starts, because it's always already there. There is never a break in the chain of life & never has been. The egg is "life." The spermatazoa are "life." A foetus is not "life" created ex nihilo.

Nor is there ever a moment in that chain that is without death, which is also constant, omnipresent. Thousands of living cells died in me in the time it took to write that sentence. Thousands more have divided to create more cells as I write this one.

What could conceivably be at stake is the question when does "a person" start to exist. & we have thousands & thousands of years of understanding to work with on that. A "person" is born & a person dies. After a person dies, that "person" doesn't exist any more. Before a person was born, he wasn't a person.

That doesn't make an abortion a good thing. I don't know a single person who thinks abortion is "good." But the world is full of things that aren't "good." For that matter, "good & "bad" aren't all that simple either. Is "death" bad? There could be no life without death.

As for your so-called ability to cast judgement on people who have abortions, Mr. oneandonly, sorry but you don't have that ability. Nor do I.

I'm not a Christian, but I've read Mathew 7. & if you are against abortion but have nothing to offer to support children with healthcare & with schooling, then you're not one either.

& if you have the power to condemn a woman who has an abortion, but you lack the power to condemn a man who gets to carry around an assault weapon to threaten death and deal death then you are not a Christian either.

& if you have the power to condemn a woman who has an abortion, but you lack the power to condemn the violence of the living upon the living, including the violence that comes from alcohol, the violence that comes from racism, the violence that comes from a fool who finds himself in a position of power, then I'll say it again: you may call yourself a Christian, but you haven't learned the lesson taught by that Jewish teacher; you've learned no part of it.

But you have it in you to change; every person does. So go and change.

Oh I don't stand on a Christian platform by any means. I'm a Christian yes, but my walk is broken with things that have occured in my life over the years, so I'm not speaking on a religious soapbox at all. I'm speaking out against what can be easily compared to bullying, which I'd imagine anyone would be against. A man or woman who willing chooses to kill their child (because whoops they weren't supposed to happen) is a selfish bully, if people want to say that's me passing judgement, go ahead, that's fine, I stand by it.

And I do believe that children should have healthcare and education, I pay for the latter with taxes though I have no children, and I have no issue doing so. I think there should be more stringent rule son owning a gun, just as I do more stringent rules on having an abortion.

Everything you mentioned can be said about both sides, you covered the conservative hypocrisy, the opposite holds true for the liberals. It's like Hillary having PSA videos when she was running for POTUS talking about who will be watching out for our children, plastered with all the idiotic stuff Trump said, funny how she's not watching out for the ones who are aborted? WHo's looking out for them? Obama's historic tweet where he's in a pic with several toddlers, yet he would have been perfectly fine if any of those toddlers were aborted a mere 2 years prior. How is that okay?

[dckingsfan]

But if its simply an accidental pregnancy, whether you wore protection or not, the risks are known, and people should have to be accountable accordingly if they happen to get pregnant. And I do indeed mean people, as you mentioned both the man or the woman.

So you are choosing the option strengthening male responsibility and actually enforcing it. Great, now let's stop all this protesting abortion nonsense and get to the point about how we're going to actually start holding men accountable in similarly significant ways to which women are held accountable.

Though, another sad reality in this whole thing is if a woman wants the abortion but the man doesn't, he's just out of luck, because it's 100% the woman's choice.

Ah, I see, nevermind. You are very much like those others I know in my Church who will agree in theory but then quickly change the subject. Why does the woman have to be responsible for her actions but if we devise a social situation where a man might be responsible for his actions in helping create a situation where a woman wants and abortion but he doesn't, that we should protect him from his actions? It isn't like there are women out there trying to trick men into getting the pregnant so they can have an abortion when they know the man doesn't want the baby. There is lots that goes into situations like that. If a man's actions put him in that sort of situation, it's actually a much lesser cost that he have no say than it is to force the costs onto the woman into a decision she doesn't want.

On one hand you spoke about trying to hold everyone accountable and now you're talking about a situation where a man might be inconvenienced by not having a say in a decision following some sort of relationship (if it even was a relationship at all) that has gone sour for any number of reasons. So are you interested in holding men accountable or aren't you? It sure sounds like you aren't, because we haven't even gotten in to the discussion of far more serious means of holding them accountable and you're already discussing issues of relatively minor inconvenience as though they are essentially non-starters.

And I don't know how you jumped to the conclusion you went off on above, perhaps I was not clear or you misunderstood what i said, but this does not illustrate any of what I said or feel. I never said women should bear the entire responsibility of a pregnancy, it takes 2 to tango, both parties are responsible without question.

I stand by what I said in I feel no sympathy or compassion for a man or woman who both want and proceed to have an abortion because it was unplanned and/or unexpected. I already mentioned cases of rape and the baby or woman's life in danger are horrific cirumcstances no one should ever have to endure, so I feel whole heartedly for those.

How do you say a man is inconvenienced if he wants to have a child and the woman aborts him/her? How is that an inconvenience, traffic is an inconvenience, your child being killed against your wishes is a heartless act. On the flip side, if he feels inconvenienced because he does not want to be a father but she wants to have the child, to f'n bad for him, he's the father and he's responsible.

And that is where reality slaps up against wishes. You wish that the man would be held responsible - but often you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. And the reality is the government doesn't provide support either. And this is also where the war on drugs/war on crime intersects with reality. Many women don't know if that man is going to be around.

So, it ALWAYS flips back on the women. They have to be willing to work 2 jobs. Give up their life.

It's really easy to say you have no "sympathy or compassion" for those women and maybe you shouldn't. My guess is that they (women) wouldn't want sympathy or compassion just a choice on how their life will proceed.

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"Stupid idiot" Senator Warren helps to create a real free market for hearing aids:

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That commie.

The more I see from Warren, the more I am convinced she needs to be the Senate Majority Leader.

I expect she will seek the 2020 presidential nomination, especially if Bernie doesn't, but I think she is a better fit for Senate leadership. I also think that would utilize her talent more than being the VP.

I think Knobuchar and Harris would be 2 good options for the 2020 presidential nominee.

More of Elizabeth Warren in any forum is a good thing.

[payitforward]

Not sure there's anything more pathetic than a bunch of rednecks packing these pep rallies for Trump - the only purpose of which is to engorge his already morbidly obese wart-infested ego.

John McCain was a cowboy; Trump is the polar opposite - a whiny, draft-dodging, tax-evading, habitual lying, cheating, ego-maniacal, spoiled rotten to the core brat.

You are a bad personality. Hypocrite. Name call like a simple child. Half of country vote for him so u r saying 50% people are bad.

Only fool thinks this way.

I see you are using the same tactics that Trump is - accusing others of being what you really are. Regardless, I didn't say or even think that everyone who voted for Trump is bad.

If you really have the background you say you do (which you don't), you'd know it's a religious requirement for Jewish people to speak out about oppressive leadership - regardless of popularity. Using your logic... no Germans should have spoken out about Hitler because he was popular.

Are you suggesting that ChostofChenier has said that he's Jewish? Well, every opinion no matter how foolish is held by someone of every possible background, of course.

It's obvious that English is not GofC's native tongue, hence, if he lives in the US, he is an immigrant. I'd be interested to understand the experiences out of which GofC writes.

As to Trump, he is -- as I've written several times -- a demagogue, pure & simple: read any article you want on the subject. This one is good as any -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue

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The Obamas have become the establishment middle's mascot. Just pathetic:

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Pee pee!

Huh?