Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[Dat2U]

Wall + filler + #9 for Paul + Capella?

Capella is still only 25 and would be a serious talent upgrade in the front court. It would allow us to compete and keep Beal.

Paul
Beal/
Brown Jr.
Parker (resigned)
Capella

With Sato, Bryant, Green off the bench.

Capela gets played off the floor in the playoffs against the elite teams. With another year under his belt, I can see Bryant being a comparable player but much cheaper and more versatile offensively.

If you could get Rudy Gay to come on for the full MLE that would be even better.

[gambitx777]

I really don't dislike Portis to be honest. I think he's better than people give him credit for. He's 24 he can shoot well enough for a big man, rebounds pretty good, can be serviceable on D with effort. He's not worth a ton of money but 7-10 mill a year isn't awful for a decent 24 year old big. Give him the same contract Morris was on I'd be happy with that.

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[TGW]

Wall + filler + #9 for Paul + Capella?

Capella is still only 25 and would be a serious talent upgrade in the front court. It would allow us to compete and keep Beal.

Paul
Beal/
Brown Jr.
Parker (resigned)
Capella

With Sato, Bryant, Green off the bench.

Capela gets played off the floor in the playoffs against the elite teams. With another year under his belt, I can see Bryant being a comparable player but much cheaper and more versatile offensively.

If you could get Rudy Gay to come on for the full MLE that would be even better.

Capella is really good. I know Golden State exposed him (like they do with most bigs) but that doesn't mean he's not HIGHLY effective.

[gravytrain24]

I wish there was a way to get Adams from OKC since they're trying to cut salary.

[deneem4]

Beal and wall for Barrett?
We shed salary but we haven’t been a free agency destination
We get mid picks but this ain the 2011 draft
If u feel like wall is completely finish and Beal isn’t going to get better...
Trade em both...
Hope the draft in favor

Stop. Please stop.

We are not going to trade Beal as a means of dumping Wall. Those are two conflicting strategies.

If we want to rebuild for 3-4 years down the road, then keep Wall. No sense sacrificing the assets gained in a Beal trade by using them to dump Wall's contract. If the goal is to immediately get back into playoff contention, then we keep Beal and only trade Wall if someone wants to take his contract without incentive.

Under no scenario does it make sense to sacrifice major assets to dump Wall.

I don’t want to trade wall or Beal

[pcbothwel]

I wish there was a way to get Adams from OKC since they're trying to cut salary.

How about getting 21?

Mahinmi for Schroder
Otto TPE for Patterson
OKC sends us 21 and future 2nd.

- Waive & Stretch Mahinmi and they save 16M and are out of the tax
- Schroder serves as place holder for a year while Wall recovers, re-evaluate next year.
- We only add 5.7M to the cap with Patterson while getting #21 and clearing our glut of Centers.

[deneem4]

I really don't dislike Portis to be honest. I think he's better than people give him credit for. He's 24 he can shoot well enough for a big man, rebounds pretty good, can be serviceable on D with effort. He's not worth a ton of money but 7-10 mill a year isn't awful for a decent 24 year old big. Give him the same contract Morris was on I'd be happy with that.

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Having a bunch of versatile 3-5 isn’t a bad thing

[NatP4]

He’s a chucker that doesn’t defend at all. All he does is rebound

[gambitx777]

44% FG and 40% from 3 with us and 80 at the line aint what I call chucking And at some point you need points and you need rebounds. As long as he isn't grossly over paid he's definitely worth resigning.

He’s a chucker that doesn’t defend at all. All he does is rebound

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[NatP4]

That’s absolutely terrible, also only a 28 game sample size, well over his career average 3pt%, and again, good for a terrible .530 TS%. A negative VORP, a negative BPM, a laughable WS/48 figure. 79th out of 96 PFs in RPM. -4.3 net rating. Lol.

They can renounce his rights for all I care. He’s an awful basketball player. You can Atleast make an argument for Jabari Parker, who was actually good for us.

Parker posted a .587 TS% with us, 20-9-3 per36. He was really good. Also had a very positive net rating in March. Finished with a positive VORP and DBPM.

If they can decline that option, and sign him for 3 years 24 million, I’m all for it.

[gambitx777]

That’s absolutely terrible, also only a 28 game sample size, well over his career average 3pt%, and again, good for a terrible .530 TS%. A negative VORP, a negative BPM, a laughable WS/48 figure. 79th out of 96 PFs in RPM. -4.3 net rating. Lol.

They can renounce his rights for all I care. He’s an awful basketball player. You can Atleast make an argument for Jabari Parker, who was actually good for us.

Parker posted a .587 TS% with us, 20-9-3 per36. He was really good. Also had a very positive net rating in March. Finished with a positive VORP and DBPM.

If they can decline that option, and sign him for 3 years 24 million, I’m all for it.

I actually like signing Parker. Any where from 2.5-5 mill a year for 3-4 years is fine for me! He's young and he can probably get better.

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[nate33]

That’s absolutely terrible, also only a 28 game sample size, well over his career average 3pt%, and again, good for a terrible .530 TS%. A negative VORP, a negative BPM, a laughable WS/48 figure. 79th out of 96 PFs in RPM. -4.3 net rating. Lol.

They can renounce his rights for all I care. He’s an awful basketball player. You can Atleast make an argument for Jabari Parker, who was actually good for us.

Parker posted a .587 TS% with us, 20-9-3 per36. He was really good. Also had a very positive net rating in March. Finished with a positive VORP and DBPM.

If they can decline that option, and sign him for 3 years 24 million, I’m all for it.

I actually like signing Parker. Any where from 2.5-5 mill a year for 3-4 years is fine for me! He's young and he can probably get better.

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Not to pick on you specifically, gambitx777, but I'm getting tired of seeing those ridiculous numbers thrown around. "I'd be fine signing Parker for $2.5M". Of course you would. I'd be fine signing Kawhi Leonard to an MLE deal too! So what?

Parker is going to cost way more than $2.5M and way more than $5M. Guys that can get buckets at a high usage rate with moderate efficiency cost money in this league. There is virtually no chance he costs less than the MLE ($9.5M) and I think he might cost a bit more.

[payitforward]

44% FG and 40% from 3 with us and 80 at the line aint what I call chucking And at some point you need points and you need rebounds. As long as he isn't grossly over paid he's definitely worth resigning.

He’s a chucker that doesn’t defend at all. All he does is rebound

That 44% is on 2 pt. attempts -- an average big shoots 53.5%. So, for sure, that impacts the positive effect of his good 3-point shooting.

&, in fact, Bobby's overall total scoring percentage with us was 53%. Since the average for an NBA big is 56.7%, I don't think a team would be wise to count on Bobby when "at some point you need points," do you?

I loved Bobby Portis in college. I thought he was going to be a terrific NBA player. I was wrong.

[payitforward]

... You can At least make an argument for Jabari Parker, who was actually good for us.

Parker posted a .587 TS% with us, 20-9-3 per36. He was really good. Also had a very positive net rating in March. Finished with a positive VORP and DBPM. ...

No, alas, he wasn't "really good," though he did some good things. His 58.7% TS% was, as you say, well above average. Unfortunately, that doesn't tell us much about his offensive efficiency until you factor in the extra 1.75 turnovers (i.e. beyond an average 4) which he also committed per 40 minutes. Assume he's average on turnovers & move those extra ones over as extra missed FGAs, & his TS% falls to .511 -- way below average.

Overall, on the rest of the box score stats he was just slightly above average. Then there is Jabari's defense....

Nonetheless, yes, he was better with us than Bobby Portis.

...If they can decline that option, and sign him for 3 years 24 million, I’m all for it.

That's stretching it, I'd say. In terms of value. But, guys picked as high as Jabari usually get overpaid right up to the day no one pays them at all, so I would speculate that some team will give him more per year -- & on a 2-year deal.

A team with an extremely strong culture -- the Warriors, say -- might do that, & that might be a good place for him to go, as well.

[payitforward]

...Parker is going to cost way more than $2.5M and way more than $5M. Guys that can get buckets at a high usage rate with moderate efficiency cost money in this league. There is virtually no chance he costs less than the MLE ($9.5M) and I think he might cost a bit more.

Even more of an influence on what he will be offered is the fact that he was the #2 pick in the draft -- esp. since he only just turned 24.

Jabari is very talented -- no doubt about it. He needs to go to a team that can salvage him. GS or the Spurs would be perfect.

As to the Washington Wizards, he is just the kind of player we don't need. Bad for us, bad for him.

[Ruzious]

I really don't dislike Portis to be honest. I think he's better than people give him credit for. He's 24 he can shoot well enough for a big man, rebounds pretty good, can be serviceable on D with effort. He's not worth a ton of money but 7-10 mill a year isn't awful for a decent 24 year old big. Give him the same contract Morris was on I'd be happy with that.

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Portis' footwork on D combined with his lack of athleticism = a complete fusterfudge on D. He's gonna need a defensive genius of a coach to hide his weakness there. Milwaukee did it with Brook Lopez, but Portis isn't at his level. Also, Portis' hands proved to be a problem last season - leading to a bunch of turnovers - thereby making him a poor inside scoring option. It's a shame, because he does have some offensive skills and does have length, but his weaknesses overshadow his strengths.

[Rafael122]

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Unfortunate that Dwight's opting in b/c I would have traded for Baynes using one of the TPE's and ask for one of Bostons 1st round picks.

[pcbothwel]

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Unfortunate that Dwight's opting in b/c I would have traded for Baynes using one of the TPE's and ask for one of Bostons 1st round picks.

Lol...Boston isnt trading a 1st to dump Baynes. They could just stretch him and save almost 4M immediately if they have a FA in mind (DLo?)

They'll probably just trade their 2nd and cash.

[nate33]

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Unfortunate that Dwight's opting in b/c I would have traded for Baynes using one of the TPE's and ask for one of Bostons 1st round picks.

Lol...Boston isnt trading a 1st to dump Baynes. They could just stretch him and save almost 4M immediately if they have a FA in mind (DLo?)

They'll probably just trade their 2nd and cash.

Agreed. Baynes is a competent role player with a reasonable contract. Somebody might take him off of Boston with no compensation. At worst, Boston will have to cough up a 2nd round pick as incentive.

[payitforward]

Not to mention that with Horford opting out, they would have even less reason to trade Baynes.

W/ Horford & Irving off their payroll, Ainge has no salary problems: he can pick up all the salary options & have 12 guys for @$81m plus their 3 R1 picks. How do they have a cap problem? Especially if he understands that it doesn't look like they'll make a lot of noise this year. Yet, he also has assets to trade.

Now, he may decide he's in rebuilding mode all of a sudden, dump an older player for that reason.

Somebody might give them a R2 pick for Baynes for that matter.