Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[nate33]

Can you really trust Christian Wood to stay on the court? Even with Bryant's injury I'd put money on him logging more games than Christian next year.

I think Bryant will actually thrive with 1) A legit, high level defensive Center playing 20 MPG behind him in Gafford, and 2) Being able to spread the floor for Russ and Beal to get to the basket

I'm done with Bryant. He's not going to be resigned considering Gafford has surpassed him. You don't waste money on longterm contracts to backup centers. Bryant is so horrific defensively, that its pointless to resign him after this upcoming year. You can always find backup centers cheaply (See Len). Its better to allocate Bryant's money to wings/combo guards.

I think it's a little early to dismiss Bryant as permanently "horrific" defensively. He was bad two years ago. In limited minutes this season, his defensive stats looked better. Young guys with a good work ethic tend to improve.

I think it's unlikely that Bryant will ever be a legitimately plus defender, which probably limits him to a backup role, but I don't see why he can't become passable defensively. A guy who is really good on offense and passable on defense can help a team, particularly as a 20 mpg backup.

[Dark Faze]

I don't think this team can win a playoff series without a decent stretch 5 option and Bryant remains one of the better ones in the league.

Whether he starts or not is irrelevant so long as he can provide 20 solid minutes.

[pcbothwel]

I don't think this team can win a playoff series without a decent stretch 5 option and Bryant remains one of the better ones in the league.

Whether he starts or not is irrelevant so long as he can provide 20 solid minutes.

Yea... they Bryant bashing is too much. He is a legit 60/40/75 shooter that converts at the rim, hits 3's, and hits FTs.

That is a real weapon, especially with guards like Russ and Beal that thrive in getting into the basket.

[WallToWall]

Agreed about Bryant. We are bashing him too much. I would roll with Gafford and Bryant as our big men for next year. Maybe bring back Lopez. If we do a positional analysis (and I haven't done one yet), I would be willing to bet that this 3 headed center is at least above average. The times this becomes a problem is if there is a mismatch not in our favor, but that should happen less than half the time. Where we need help is at PF and SF. I *think* (I dont know for sure) that we are well below average positionally at these 2 spots. This off season should be about upgrading these two spots, and getting a new coach.

[gambitx777]

Yeah I mean Bryant's a good player too have on an affordable contract and if he loses a step we don't resign him or we just buy him out or use him at the deadline as filler.


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The big question going forward is do we trade our draft pick or not. If we are trying to build around Beal and Westbrook, I really don’t see why we wouldn’t trade the draft pick.

Because guys like Clarke, Thybulle, Gafford, Cam Johnson, Mays, Quickly, Bey, Tillman, etc. are available outside the lotto every year and are plus, rotation worthy players on playoff teams.

Queta, Butler, Duarte, Murpthy, etc. will all contribute day 1

You left out a few: Keldon Johnson, Dylan Windler, Draymond Green, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Khris Middleton, Jalen Brunson, Mitchell Robinson, DeAnthony Melton, Hamidou Diallou, Bruce Brown, Shake Milton, Robert Williams, Donte DiVincenzo, Eric Paschell, Terance Mann, Tyrese Maxey, Saddiq Bey, Saben Lee, Precious Achiuwa, Jarrett Allen, Isaiah Stewart, Desmond Bane, Payton Pritchard, Kenyon Martin Jr., Paul Reed, Dejounte Murray, Derrick White, Patty Mills, John Collins, OG Anunoby, Josh Hart, Thomas Bryant, Dillon Brooks, Monte Morris, Caris Levert, Pascal Siakam, Malcolm Brogdon, DeAndre Bembry, Delon Wright, Bobby Portis, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Larry Nance Jr., Kevon Looney, Montrezl Harrell, Richaun Holmes, Norman Powell, Dwight Powell, Dorian Finney-Smith, Pat Connaughton, Jusuf Nurkic, Clint Capela, Nikola Jokic, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, ...just a few drafts there, but I'm getting tired of typing!

[gambitx777]

The draft pick should be used imo. But it's not really about that I don't mind trading back a few spots in that proposed Huston trade but, I think the big question is, will Ted go into the tax to go all in. ?

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[9 and 20]

What about this trade idea:

Wiz trade Bertans for Kennard+#25?

Kennard doesn't even get PT for the Clips (I think he's underrated and Ty Lue stinks as a coach), but he'd give us a badly needed backup PG/SG who can run an offense as a 6th man (he's an underrated ball handler and passer). He's also a really good shooter. His extended contract is actually 3/40 (last year is a team option). Bertans would do well in LA.

Bertans has more value than Kennard, so getting that #25 evens it out.

If the Clippers were interested in making this trade, I wouldn't hesitate. But... I can't see them throwing in a R1 pick. TBH, I'm not sure they'd trade Kennard straight up for Bertans. Or that it would make sense for them to do so.

But, who knows...? The Clips don't seem to be very well managed right now; if they're bounced from the playoffs in R1, as seems likely, maybe there'll be an internal melt-down.

As to the players themselves, Kennard over Bertans seems sensible for the Wizards. He's a combo guard, & there'd be plenty of minutes for him behind Russ/Brad. I.e. he definitely fills a hole in our roster.

Of course, losing Bertans would create a new hole. But, maybe it'd be filled with a defense-oriented 4...?

Kennard doesn't even play for some reason. I think Bertans has to have more value than a guy who doesn't play. They have Morris as the starting PF (but have nothing backing him up) whereas they have Mann as the backup SG. I think its a good move for both sides. Honestly, I wouldn't haggle over #25.

Honest question - how different is Kennard from Garrison Mathews? Is Kennard just a better version of Mathews?

I might do the trade but I'd want the 25 too. Also, Bertans would be good with Kawhi and Paul George.

[gambitx777]

He's an over paid Matthews and honestly unless we get the late pick it's not worth it to us and I don't know how worth it is to them either. I pull that trigger but honestly I think Bertans is more movable than Luke at this point. Because at least Bertans has shown he's elite at a particular skill. It just wasn't his year.

If the Clippers were interested in making this trade, I wouldn't hesitate. But... I can't see them throwing in a R1 pick. TBH, I'm not sure they'd trade Kennard straight up for Bertans. Or that it would make sense for them to do so.

But, who knows...? The Clips don't seem to be very well managed right now; if they're bounced from the playoffs in R1, as seems likely, maybe there'll be an internal melt-down.

As to the players themselves, Kennard over Bertans seems sensible for the Wizards. He's a combo guard, & there'd be plenty of minutes for him behind Russ/Brad. I.e. he definitely fills a hole in our roster.

Of course, losing Bertans would create a new hole. But, maybe it'd be filled with a defense-oriented 4...?

Kennard doesn't even play for some reason. I think Bertans has to have more value than a guy who doesn't play. They have Morris as the starting PF (but have nothing backing him up) whereas they have Mann as the backup SG. I think its a good move for both sides. Honestly, I wouldn't haggle over #25.

Honest question - how different is Kennard from Garrison Mathews? Is Kennard just a better version of Mathews?

I might do the trade but I'd want the 25 too. Also, Bertans would be good with Kawhi and Paul George.

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The draft pick should be used imo. But it's not really about that I don't mind trading back a few spots in that proposed Huston trade but, I think the big question is, will Ted go into the tax to go all in. ?

Why would he do that?

We are down 2-0 in R1 of the playoffs to a very good but not great opponent. I can't think of a single actually-available player, at any cost, who would turn us into a title contender.

[Dat2U]

The draft pick should be used imo. But it's not really about that I don't mind trading back a few spots in that proposed Huston trade but, I think the big question is, will Ted go into the tax to go all in. ?

Why would he do that?

We are down 2-0 in R1 of the playoffs to a very good but not great opponent. I can't think of a single actually-available player, at any cost, who would turn us into a title contender.

As long as the Nets & Lakers are healthy, everyone else including the Bucks, 76ers, Jazz, Nuggets are playing for a hope and a prayer. But that doesn't stop them from trying.

I'd say we're a upgrade at coach and two players from that next level. An upgrade at PF or C and a starting capable wing. Not easy but not impossible. Probably not likely either given our salary situation but again that doesn't stop teams from trying.

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I don't want to stop trying to get better -- in fact, I want to get a whole lot better!

Moreover, I agree with you that we'd improve a whole lot if we had a better coach & if our starting 3 & 4 were better. For that matter, an outstanding 6th man at the 2-3 would be a big help. I don't mention Center, because we don't yet know Gafford's ceiling, & I like Bryant more than you do. But, all the same -- I agree overall.

But, that's different from the idea that Ted would "go all in" -- what does that even mean?

If it means we'd live in tax land for some years so that we could add Christian Wood to our roster -- which would make us contend for a title -- then, no thanks: I wouldn't get into that position. & I don't think Wood, whom as you know I like a lot, would make us a title contender.

[NatP4]

I know NY would take Rui for one of those mid to late 1sts. We could easily turn that into Jared Butler.

That is what I would do on draft night. Wagner and Butler are my new additions and Jay Wright is my new coach. Kris Dunn or Otto Porter for the MLE. Bring back Bonga and Mathews. If you sign Porter, maybe try and get creative to bring back Neto who is a great fit with great character.

Westbrook Butler Winston
Beal Mathews
Porter Avdija Bonga
Bertans Gill Wagner
Gafford Bryant

No clue why Hutchison and Homesley would even sniff roster spots. Gotta move them. Would have to sign a minimum 3rd C, but that’s not difficult at all. Maybe even buy a 2nd round pick and pick Huff from UVA.

[Ruzious]

I've got another Rui trade - probably pissing off our big Rui fans, lol. Apologies to Rui Nation. Look at Cleveland - 4th worst record in the NBA, so they could get a top pick - say they pick either Green or Suggs. They already have Sexton and Garland - who people say don't complement each other. That makes Garland available. Looking through their roster, I think Nance is available after his worst season and continuing to be injury-prone. We trade Rui (picked in the same year Garland was) and Bertans for Garland and Nance - the salaries match up. I like Nance's ability to defend at the 4, and he's developed 3 point range. And Garland (still just 21) becomes our 3rd guard and eventual Westbrook replacement - and as Doc mentioned - he's very close with Beal - his mentor. Making Beal happy is something the Wiz want to do. Cleveland's short on forwards with perimeter games (Okoro has no range). I suspect Kisspert would then be the Wiz target if he's there at 15 - though they could target players like Trey Murphy and Sam Hauser as 3 point shooting specialists.

[WallToWall]

I've got another Rui trade - probably pissing off our big Rui fans, lol. Apologies to Rui Nation. Look at Cleveland - 4th worst record in the NBA, so they could get a top pick - say they pick either Green or Suggs. They already have Sexton and Garland - who people say don't complement each other. That makes Garland available. Looking through their roster, I think Nance is available after his worst season and continuing to be injury-prone. We trade Rui (picked in the same year Garland was) and Bertans for Garland and Nance - the salaries match up. I like Nance's ability to defend at the 4, and he's developed 3 point range. And Garland (still just 21) becomes our 3rd guard and eventual Westbrook replacement - and as Doc mentioned - he's very close with Beal - his mentor. Making Beal happy is something the Wiz want to do. Cleveland's short on forwards with perimeter games (Okoro has no range). I suspect Kisspert would then be the Wiz target if he's there at 15 - though they could target players like Trey Murphy and Sam Hauser as 3 point shooting specialists.

I am a major Rui supporter, but I am also a team first guy, and so I want to see the team improve. This trade proposal would not favor us in the short term, given how each player has been playing. However, Bertans has reached his ceiling, and I do think Rui has a ceiling at another 15% more production than now with some more consistency. Would that production be more than what to expect (long term) from Nance and Garland?

[Ruzious]

I've got another Rui trade - probably pissing off our big Rui fans, lol. Apologies to Rui Nation. Look at Cleveland - 4th worst record in the NBA, so they could get a top pick - say they pick either Green or Suggs. They already have Sexton and Garland - who people say don't complement each other. That makes Garland available. Looking through their roster, I think Nance is available after his worst season and continuing to be injury-prone. We trade Rui (picked in the same year Garland was) and Bertans for Garland and Nance - the salaries match up. I like Nance's ability to defend at the 4, and he's developed 3 point range. And Garland (still just 21) becomes our 3rd guard and eventual Westbrook replacement - and as Doc mentioned - he's very close with Beal - his mentor. Making Beal happy is something the Wiz want to do. Cleveland's short on forwards with perimeter games (Okoro has no range). I suspect Kisspert would then be the Wiz target if he's there at 15 - though they could target players like Trey Murphy and Sam Hauser as 3 point shooting specialists.

I am a major Rui supporter, but I am also a team first guy, and so I want to see the team improve. This trade proposal would not favor us in the short term, given how each player has been playing. However, Bertans has reached his ceiling, and I do think Rui has a ceiling at another 15% more production than now with some more consistency. Would that production be more than what to expect (long term) from Nance and Garland?

First, on the short run... Have we been able to depend on Rui and Bertans? I think the answer is a resounding NO. And Garland has developed better than Rui has, while Nance has had a couple of very impressive seasons - when healthy. The keys with Nance are staying healthy and getting back to where he used to be. At 28. those are questions, but they are doable. So, I think the risk is greater than the reward. As far as going forward, Garland's only 21, and Rui's 23, so I'd guess the odds are more in favor of Garland improving than for Rui - though both should improve significantly. Bertains vs Nance: Nance is more injury-prone, but Bertans isn't particularly durable either, and he came into the season out of shape. And now he isn't getting it done when it matters the most - in the post-season. Remember, Pop didn't like him in the playoffs and traded him. Hopefully, he turns it around, but it feels like a change of scenery might be best for him - as well as for Nance.

[DCZards]

As a proud member of Rui Nation I'm for keeping Rui around because I know he'll put in the work to continue to get better. He has the athleticism and physical tools to be an outstanding player.

But I'm also a big Garland fan. I was hoping that he'd somehow fall to the Zards in the 2019 draft. So I'd probably be on board with a Rui for Garland trade.

Not as sure about the other part of the trade. As much as I'd love to get rid of Bertans and his contract I'm worried about Nance staying healthy. If the Zards trade for Nance and sign Otto, as some have suggested, I can see a scenario where both end up spending a ton of time injured and in street clothes.

Then again, I have a lot more confidence in Nance being healthy than I have in Otto being able to stay healthy. Even though talent and skill wise I prefer Porter to Nance.

[Ruzious]

if Otto could stay healthy, he'd be a great get replacing Rui after that trade. But I see what you mean about getting too many injury-prone players - good point.

[Frichuela]

Question is why would Cleveland agree on a Garland for Rui trade? I would only see this if they climb up in the lottery and draft a guard (Suggs or Green).

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Question is why would Cleveland agree on a Garland for Rui trade? I would only see this if they climb up in the lottery and draft a guard (Suggs or Green).

Yes, this is key isn't it? They took Garland with Rui on the board & available lower down. & Garland improved substantially his 2d year in the league, which Rui did not (that's not to say that Garland was actually productive; he's still not very good).

I'm not particularly a fan of Garland, but no one would take Rui straight up for him. I don't care who they draft, they still wouldn't entertain that trade.

The other half of the trade is no better, really. I'd much rather have Nance on his salary than Bertans on his. Doesn't seem very controversial.

To put it another way -- this would be a great trade! But it doesn't seem possible.