Political Roundtable Part XXXII

[Benjammin]

So, uh yeah, that makes the Deni deal look good in comparison...

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[Pointgod]

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[Kanyewest]

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[Zonkerbl]

Whelp, the activist right wing SCOTUS just drove a stake into the heart of the executive branch's ability to administer rules that Congress has asked them to regulate, so we're back to the EU style of government where all regulations have to be expressly written out in Congress. Because we all know how functional Congress is right now.

[bsilver]

Even before the debate, Trump was leading by 1.9% in the latest RealClearPolling aggregate.

I was attacked before this for saying Biden has to go, but it's obvious now. No one in their 80s should be president. I'm 75 and know and have known many people in their 80s. There's a definite cognitive decline in the vast majority of the population. Even if OK in early 80s, in a year or so it's downhill.

I understand the attacks. Since Biden was the definite candidate, any suggestion by a democrat that he shouldn't be president could weaken him. Now, the responsible position is to get him to drop out, and do it soon. He can't beat Trump and he shouldn't be president.

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[dobrojim]

so let's start throwing around names

1st of all, I seriously doubt Kam Harris could win so she's out. This country, being what it is,
seems unlikely at best to elect a Black woman POTUS. Of course I'd vote for her over Golfy
but that's the epitome of damning with faint praise. I would concede that she's highly intelligent
and a tough campaigner.

Jay Inslee, multi term reelected gov of WA. He just wins, in WA state at least.

Sheldon Whitehouse I love

Love Jamie Raskin but don't think he could win. But he's smart af.

Warren is too old even if she is still cognitively solid and she also scares many average people.
She'd be easy to paint as a 'radical left wing socialist' even though that would make her more popular
in some demographics.

Bernie, same as Warren.

Klob, I have my doubts...

I like Cory Booker

What should be the upper age limit? There's an obvious tradeoff between youth ie energy and experience.

Gretchen Witmer - I like her a lot.

Josh Shapiro, I like him a lot.

Got a name? Let's hear it.

Maybe that's my dream ticket, in either order, Shapiro and Witmer.

[Benjammin]

I think Whitmer would be the Dem's best bet. Of course there's Gavin Newsom, but I think Whitmer would be more successful against Trump.

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[Pointgod]

so let's start throwing around names

1st of all, I seriously doubt Kam Harris could win so she's out. This country, being what it is,
seems unlikely at best to elect a Black woman POTUS. Of course I'd vote for her over Golfy
but that's the epitome of damning with faint praise. I would concede that she's highly intelligent
and a tough campaigner.

Jay Inslee, multi term reelected gov of WA. He just wins, in WA state at least.

Sheldon Whitehouse I love

Love Jamie Raskin but don't think he could win. But he's smart af.

Warren is too old even if she is still cognitively solid and she also scares many average people.
She'd be easy to paint as a 'radical left wing socialist' even though that would make her more popular
in some demographics.

Bernie, same as Warren.

Klob, I have my doubts...

I like Cory Booker

What should be the upper age limit? There's an obvious tradeoff between youth ie energy and experience.

Gretchen Witmer - I like her a lot.

Josh Shapiro, I like him a lot.

Got a name? Let's hear it.

Maybe that's my dream ticket, in either order, Shapiro and Witmer.

So you’re just going to kick off Kamala Harris and alienate black women? A vote bloc for Democrats?

[dobrojim]

IDK. Fair question. Would keeping her on the ticket help or hurt more?
I'm asking. I don't know the answer. The point has to be to win and then
be happy with the job they are likely to do.

[Pointgod]

IDK. Fair question. Would keeping her on the ticket help or hurt more?
I'm asking. I don't know the answer. The point has to be to win and then
be happy with the job they are likely to do.

I don’t actually believe Harris is a strong candidate but there’s little upside to taking her off the ticket and she’s actually the natural replacement whether people like it or not if Biden decides to step down.

Remember a contested convention EVERYONE has to agree and then rally around a candidate 3 months out from the election. In the meantime you have to introduce the public to a new candidate and pray there isn’t a massive scandal or bombshell that drops last minute. Let’s see what the polling looks like, but based on focused group responses the needle hasn’t moved much either way. Both candidates are know quantities and even if you’re unhappy with Biden, the majority of people don’t want Trump back in the Whitehouse

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While I also admire the job Biden's cabinet has done and how dynamic it is as a collective, we can't ignore the fact that optics matter, especially in politics. If the country elects someone who doesn't project competence and, frankly, lucidity, what does that say about us? What the rest of the world thinks is crucial to our economy and national security. We already sullied that image in the Trump years.

In a perfect world, Biden would have proactively, as early as 2022, put the greater good ahead of himself and declare his intent to not seek reelection, giving Dems ample time to strategize for 2024. But we don't live in a perfect world, so instead the Dems are all-in on an old man who shouldn't be in this position. But I get it. Biden, for all his faults, was exactly who we needed in 2020. He's just not who we need in 2024.

This sadly feels a lot like the discourse surrounding RBG before she died. It would have been better for her to step aside for the betterment of the court, but she earned the right not to. I feel the same way about Biden. Old and frail as he may be, he's a lifelong public servant who has earned the right to do this job until he physically cannot anymore.

[dobrojim]

As McCaskill concluded He, Biden, had one rather simple but essential
job to do and most reasonable people who saw it would say he was
unable to do it.

This at a minimum means a backup plan needs to be developed.

I think Golfy will supply all that is needed to have a coalescence created
in opposition to him. This dem response stands in contrast to the GOP sycophancy behind
a raving moron and malignant narcissist.

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All because people couldn’t bother to vote for Hillary smh

[montestewart]

I’m not seeing a lot of people saying the debate changed their mind. It seems like everybody’s just projecting how the debate will change other peoples minds. Maybe it won’t, or maybe undecideds will favor old man over crazy old man. Here in DC, I vote Green for president, But if I was across the river in Virginia, I’d easily vote for Biden, who much better represents policies I like and chooses competent people to implement them, rather than a never coherent fake tough guy narcissist. It hardly seems a real choice.

Maybe my reaction is tempered by being a Wizards fan.

[bsilver]

so let's start throwing around names

1st of all, I seriously doubt Kam Harris could win so she's out. This country, being what it is,
seems unlikely at best to elect a Black woman POTUS. Of course I'd vote for her over Golfy
but that's the epitome of damning with faint praise. I would concede that she's highly intelligent
and a tough campaigner.

Jay Inslee, multi term reelected gov of WA. He just wins, in WA state at least.

Sheldon Whitehouse I love

Love Jamie Raskin but don't think he could win. But he's smart af.

Warren is too old even if she is still cognitively solid and she also scares many average people.
She'd be easy to paint as a 'radical left wing socialist' even though that would make her more popular
in some demographics.

Bernie, same as Warren.

Klob, I have my doubts...

I like Cory Booker

What should be the upper age limit? There's an obvious tradeoff between youth ie energy and experience.

Gretchen Witmer - I like her a lot.

Josh Shapiro, I like him a lot.

Got a name? Let's hear it.

Maybe that's my dream ticket, in either order, Shapiro and Witmer.

I agree on Whitmer and Shapiro and everything else, but I don't think either would want the VP spot.

Harris can't be the candidate. Justified or not, she's extremely unpopular. Last I saw, 32% approval rating. If losing the black vote is really a possibility, I've heard mention of a Whitmer/Wes Moore ticket. That could be very strong.

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All because people couldn’t bother to vote for Hillary smh

Hillary is great at everything the job entails....except campaigning.

Hillary was easily the most qualified candidate we've seen in recent history, but she shot herself in the foot by not taking the MAGA bloc seriously. She could've overcome the email bull and Benghazi if she had better political advisors.

[Pointgod]

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The only thing I'd add is that if we're serious about finding a new Democrat to face Trump, we need to get it done ASAP. We don't have time for the "will he or won't he" with Biden. If something drastic is going to happen, it's got to be quick. Because the fact that we're even considering this means we're already starting from a place of weakness.