Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

[dckingsfan]

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Richaun Holmes      $12,648,321
Marvin Bagley III   $12,500,000
Jonas Valančiūnas    $9,900,000
Corey Kispert        $5,705,887
Johnny Davis         $5,291,160
Patrick Baldwin      $2,448,840
Anthony Gill         $2,237,691

Holmes isn't quite an expiring. Bagley, Davis, Baldwin and Gill are expiring - near to $35M in expiring contracts that could facilitate a trade. None of them have much value as players (IMO) but their collective contracts do have value.

Jonas could pull a couple of seconds but... we would probably get a worse contract back - probably not worth it.

Still wish we hadn't signed Kuz or Kispert. That would be $35M in cap space to allow a team to move contracts to us a draft assets. I still think the signings were an underappreciated bad move. I like where Brooklyn sits in this regard.

[dckingsfan]

As to OKC and their draft picks. They currently have the 8th and 22 pick in the draft. They will have 12 on their payroll heading into the off season. So, they will either keep their draft picks, trade them for a superstar or trade them for better draft capital in the future. They have a solid FO.

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Richaun Holmes      $12,648,321
Marvin Bagley III   $12,500,000
Jonas Valančiūnas    $9,900,000
Corey Kispert        $5,705,887
Johnny Davis         $5,291,160
Patrick Baldwin      $2,448,840
Anthony Gill         $2,237,691

Holmes isn't quite an expiring.

Only 250k of Holmes deal is guaranteed next year. So he can be cut for little damage. Still an easy way to burn $$ from the cap if a team is desperate for wiggle room.

Bagley, Davis, Baldwin and Gill are expiring - near to $35M in expiring contracts that could facilitate a trade. None of them have much value as players (IMO) but their collective contracts do have value.

Jonas could pull a couple of seconds but... we would probably get a worse contract back - probably not worth it.

Still wish we hadn't signed Kuz or Kispert. That would be $35M in cap space to allow a team to move contracts to us a draft assets. I still think the signings were an underappreciated bad move.

90% rule means you have to pay somebody. Kuz guarantees the tank while filling up the cap. Hard to pay enough people when most of your team is on rookie contracts. Poole's bloated apology of a contract helps (sorry we let Draymond punch you. Would money help you forget?) but anybody else who is going to cost star money might actually endanger the tank by being, you know, a star.

The Kispert signing didn't bother me at the time since he had been trending upwards. This year thought he's proven he is not a guard and can't create his own shot. BK's offense seems like he's not really running plays to set up anybody but expects guys to figure it out for themselves. Kispert hasn't had the easy looks he was getting as a spot-up shooter and back door threat. Instead he has been tasked to dribble more and try to force his own offense. Oh well, yeah now his deal looks worse. I expect he would look better on a veteran team. Here is is the veteran. Not a good look.

Kuz, eh, I never really wanted a part of Kuz. I heard at the time his deal was good since it was declining. But who knew that he himself would decline even faster than his contract, given that he was already streaky at best. Now he's not even streaky. Just consistent. At being sub-mediocre. I think we are stuck with his bloated contract.

[dckingsfan]

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Richaun Holmes      $12,648,321
Marvin Bagley III   $12,500,000
Jonas Valančiūnas    $9,900,000
Corey Kispert        $5,705,887
Johnny Davis         $5,291,160
Patrick Baldwin      $2,448,840
Anthony Gill         $2,237,691

Holmes isn't quite an expiring.

Only 250k of Holmes deal is guaranteed next year. So he can be cut for little damage. Still an easy way to burn $$ from the cap if a team is desperate for wiggle room.

Bagley, Davis, Baldwin and Gill are expiring - near to $35M in expiring contracts that could facilitate a trade. None of them have much value as players (IMO) but their collective contracts do have value.

Jonas could pull a couple of seconds but... we would probably get a worse contract back - probably not worth it.

Still wish we hadn't signed Kuz or Kispert. That would be $35M in cap space to allow a team to move contracts to us a draft assets. I still think the signings were an underappreciated bad move.

90% rule means you have to pay somebody. Kuz guarantees the tank while filling up the cap. Hard to pay enough people when most of your team is on rookie contracts. Poole's bloated apology of a contract helps (sorry we let Draymond punch you. Would money help you forget?) but anybody else who is going to cost star money might actually endanger the tank by being, you know, a star.

The Kispert signing didn't bother me at the time since he had been trending upwards. This year thought he's proven he is not a guard and can't create his own shot. BK's offense seems like he's not really running plays to set up anybody but expects guys to figure it out for themselves. Kispert hasn't had the easy looks he was getting as a spot-up shooter and back door threat. Instead he has been tasked to dribble more and try to force his own offense. Oh well, yeah now his deal looks worse. I expect he would look better on a veteran team. Here is is the veteran. Not a good look.

Kuz, eh, I never really wanted a part of Kuz. I heard at the time his deal was good since it was declining. But who knew that he himself would decline even faster than his contract, given that he was already streaky at best. Now he's not even streaky. Just consistent. At being sub-mediocre. I think we are stuck with his bloated contract.

Yes, it means you have to pay someone. But I am stipulating that the better way would have been to take on contracts and draft assets than Kuz. I am with you - never liked the signing.

Same with Kispert. I would rather have seen a S&T for draft assets or let him walk.

I didn't like what we got for the CP3 trade (the long-term burdensome contract). If we hadn't done those deals, I think we could have done better with our free cap space. I am with Nate, I think we could have done better on the KP trade as well.

Adding the requisite - I still like that they started the rebuild, I still like how they are drafting (better than I could for sure) and I like that the FO has given the coach the freedom to play the rookies. Penciling it out - better than average, IMO. And a little bit of luck in the next two drafts will cancel all the mistakes.

[9 and 20]

Beal back to DC?

https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtonwizards/comments/1i4ff6n/rumor_beal_back_to_dc/

Would require at least one of Poole or Kuz going out, and I can't see either fitting in in Miami. Maybe the South Beach scene but not the basketball team. Also can't really see a Poole/Herro back court so maybe Kuz? But then we are stuck with both Poole and Beal. Unbeatable tank, at least.

Halliburton is connected though so maybe this is true. Id ask for no less than first round picks every other year until 2046 from Phoenix before I took Beal back if it were me running things.

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Someone show Badinage this info

[nate33]

Beal back to DC?

https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtonwizards/comments/1i4ff6n/rumor_beal_back_to_dc/

Would require at least one of Poole or Kuz going out, and I can't see either fitting in in Miami. Maybe the South Beach scene but not the basketball team. Also can't really see a Poole/Herro back court so maybe Kuz? But then we are stuck with both Poole and Beal. Unbeatable tank, at least.

Halliburton is connected though so maybe this is true. Id ask for no less than first round picks every other year until 2046 from Phoenix before I took Beal back if it were me running things.

It's just not feasible.

Anyone who takes on Beal is going to demand a ton of picks, and Phoenix has no picks available to include in the transaction. Miami certainly isn't giving up picks if they're giving up Butler and getting back lesser players.

[AFM]

Beal back to DC?

https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtonwizards/comments/1i4ff6n/rumor_beal_back_to_dc/

Would require at least one of Poole or Kuz going out, and I can't see either fitting in in Miami. Maybe the South Beach scene but not the basketball team. Also can't really see a Poole/Herro back court so maybe Kuz? But then we are stuck with both Poole and Beal. Unbeatable tank, at least.

Halliburton is connected though so maybe this is true. Id ask for no less than first round picks every other year until 2046 from Phoenix before I took Beal back if it were me running things.

It's just not feasible.

Anyone who takes on Beal is going to demand a ton of picks, and Phoenix has no picks available to include in the transaction. Miami certainly isn't giving up picks if they're giving up Butler and getting back lesser players.

He'd also have to agree to come back here with his NTC which I really can not fathom

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Still... it'd be kind of funny, don't you think?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The trade deadline is February 6th, just over two weeks from now.

https://www.nba.com/news/everything-to-know-about-2025-nba-trade-deadline

Not many trades have happened so far.

https://www.nba.com/news/2024-25-nba-trade-tracker

[9 and 20]

I recall some chatter over the summer about the wizards and Patrick Williams.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/01/bulls-looking-to-trade-patrick-williams.html#google_vignette

[gambitx777]

I recall some chatter over the summer about the wizards and Patrick Williams.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/01/bulls-looking-to-trade-patrick-williams.html#google_vignette

He's only 23 but he is one of the top 5 worst contacts in the league. That was a terrible stupid no good terrible awful deal Chicago gave. That's a deal that gets a GM fired. They shouldn't trade for him. Chicago doesn't have enough picks to move that contact even if Williams returns to the norm that's not a good contact. Too many years and a player option. Wild. I'm all for taking bad contracts for picks but gee wiz.

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[pcbothwel]

Beal back to DC?

https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtonwizards/comments/1i4ff6n/rumor_beal_back_to_dc/

Would require at least one of Poole or Kuz going out, and I can't see either fitting in in Miami. Maybe the South Beach scene but not the basketball team. Also can't really see a Poole/Herro back court so maybe Kuz? But then we are stuck with both Poole and Beal. Unbeatable tank, at least.

Halliburton is connected though so maybe this is true. Id ask for no less than first round picks every other year until 2046 from Phoenix before I took Beal back if it were me running things.

It's just not feasible.

Anyone who takes on Beal is going to demand a ton of picks, and Phoenix has no picks available to include in the transaction. Miami certainly isn't giving up picks if they're giving up Butler and getting back lesser players.

He'd also have to agree to come back here with his NTC which I really can not fathom

What the hell… I’ll take a stab at it.
Beal agrees to waive his NTC, and we agree to the trade, on the following condition. We buy out Beal immediately for his full salary this year and next, but he opts out of his last year.

Why Beal does it: As a FA, he feels he can make at least 60M over the next 2.5 years to offset the 57M he opts out of. The biggest thing he gets is flexibility. He can take much more reasonable salaries and go to most any contender he likes. If he truly wants to have a chance to win a chip, that has to be worth gold.

Why we do it: We get a couple picks, open up playing time for our young guys, and cut a year off of Kuz and Pooles deal.

[nate33]

Why Beal does it: As a FA, he feels he can make at least 60M over the next 2.5 years to offset the 57M he opts out of. The biggest thing he gets is flexibility. He can take much more reasonable salaries and go to most any contender he likes. If he truly wants to have a chance to win a chip, that has to be worth gold.

If Beal opts out of that $57M, he will lose A LOT of money. There is no chance he makes that up by hitting free agency a year earlier. A new contract for Beal, based on his injury history, would probably top out at $20M a year and I wouldn't be surprised if it was just MLE type money.

Opting out isn't happening. And the odd thing about the situation is that Beal can't formally opt in on his final year until Summer 2026. So effectively, we couldn't buy him out until then. So if Beal is traded here, he'd be committing himself to a year of purgatory where he either plays the 2025-26 season for a terrible tanking team, or he sits on the bench for an entire season - kinda like what John Wall did in Houston.

[gambitx777]

Why Beal does it: As a FA, he feels he can make at least 60M over the next 2.5 years to offset the 57M he opts out of. The biggest thing he gets is flexibility. He can take much more reasonable salaries and go to most any contender he likes. If he truly wants to have a chance to win a chip, that has to be worth gold.

If Beal opts out of that $57M, he will lose A LOT of money. There is no chance he makes that up by hitting free agency a year earlier. A new contract for Beal, based on his injury history, would probably top out at $20M a year and I wouldn't be surprised if it was just MLE type money.

Opting out isn't happening. And the odd thing about the situation is that Beal can't formally opt in on his final year until Summer 2026. So effectively, we couldn't buy him out until then. So if Beal is traded here, he'd be committing himself to a year of purgatory where he either plays the 2025-26 season for a terrible tanking team, or he sits on the bench for an entire season - kinda like what John Wall did in Houston.

Could we in theory just buy out the entire contract ? I don't think we'd get enough assets in return to do something like that but would it be legal. To just eat all the remaining money and send him away.

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[nate33]

Why Beal does it: As a FA, he feels he can make at least 60M over the next 2.5 years to offset the 57M he opts out of. The biggest thing he gets is flexibility. He can take much more reasonable salaries and go to most any contender he likes. If he truly wants to have a chance to win a chip, that has to be worth gold.

If Beal opts out of that $57M, he will lose A LOT of money. There is no chance he makes that up by hitting free agency a year earlier. A new contract for Beal, based on his injury history, would probably top out at $20M a year and I wouldn't be surprised if it was just MLE type money.

Opting out isn't happening. And the odd thing about the situation is that Beal can't formally opt in on his final year until Summer 2026. So effectively, we couldn't buy him out until then. So if Beal is traded here, he'd be committing himself to a year of purgatory where he either plays the 2025-26 season for a terrible tanking team, or he sits on the bench for an entire season - kinda like what John Wall did in Houston.

Could we in theory just buy out the entire contract ? I don't think we'd get enough assets in return to do something like that but would it be legal. To just eat all the remaining money and send him away.

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I don't think so.

I don't think that final year of Beal's contract exists until the summer before the final year when Beal actively opts in. So if we bought him out now, we could only pay him some percentage of $53.6M he is owed in 2025-26 and none of the $57.1M he is owed in 2026-27.

I'm not 100% sure about this, but I'm pretty sure because this was ultimately how the John Wall situation got resolved. Houston didn't want him around for either of his final two seasons, but they were forced to keep him until the summer before his option year before finally buying him out.

[dckingsfan]

The trade deadline is February 6th, just over two weeks from now.

https://www.nba.com/news/everything-to-know-about-2025-nba-trade-deadline

Not many trades have happened so far.

https://www.nba.com/news/2024-25-nba-trade-tracker

I think this is roughly equivalent to what happened last year - so the trade deadline could bring more trades than last year (overall).

But I do think that the headwinds of the new rules for the "apron" tams is suppressing some of the trades (as intended). Bucks, Nuggets, Suns, etc..

I still don't think that Butler gets moved, same with Ingram. I do think that the Nets figure out how to move Cam Johnson?

And I posted it earlier, most of the trades have been for players with salaries < 20M.

[gambitx777]

I think that will trigger a rule change back lol. The trade season is way to much of a money generator for the league. The trade deadline in the NBA is bigger than any other league, drew so much attention away from the NFL while it's gearing up from the Superbowl every year. They can't afford to loose that buz.

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[dckingsfan]

I wonder if we would do a Jonas for Lyles + 2 SRPs?

[badinage]

Someone show Badinage this info

badinage has seen.

And badinage sez: this is some real loco right here.

But no, no — badinage has moved on; he hasn’t forgotten, but he HAS moved on.

Or has he?

Also badinage: Bradley Beal must be kept from the franchise scoring record at all costs.