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Political Roundtable Part XII

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1881 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:12 pm

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nate33 wrote:It's like you people weren't tuning in when the election happened.

All of you were so smugly confident that Trump couldn't possibly win. All of the smart people in the media told you that Trump wasn't serious, and you dutifully swallowed it hook line and sinker. Most of you condescendingly told me I was delusional throughout the campaign. I really should go back and dig up the posts. They're hysterical

And then the election happened. Trump won by the biggest electoral majority for a Republican since 1988.

And here we are, just 3 months later, and you are all again telling me I'm delusional. You are condescendingly telling me that the American people don't want a Republican who berates the media in a press conference. You are telling me that Trump is tanking in those ever so reliable polls; and that Republicans in Congress are going to get routed in the midterms.

I'll just say, I'm happy with my track record on Trump predictions. Are you?

I agree with some of this, but where you use the word "all," you reflect Trump's inability to characterize opponents (whether they voted for him or not) as anything but an undifferentiated mass of enemies, losers if you will, all identically brainwashed into identically destructive views.

I know you're largely holding down the fort by yourself, so it must seem like swatting at a swarm of flies, but increasingly I find myself uninterested in responding to "facts" or opinions I don't agree with here, because increasingly I feel like the response to anything I say here is not responding to me, but to a broad and undifferentiated spectrum of views only tangentially related to anything I posted.

Election predictions vs. election results, popular vote vs. electoral vote, who will win the mid-terms, will Trump be re-elected or impeached, all that sounds like politics reduced to sports talk, with advanced analytics embraced or rejected. I'm more focused on whether any of this is good for the country, and whether it's good for me and mine. So far, I don't have any confidence that it is good for either one, but within my fatalistic perception, at least it is entertaining.

Fair point, montestewart. I do sometimes feel like it's me against everyone, and I unfairly attack everyone instead of the select few who really need it. I apologize.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1882 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:17 pm

DCZards wrote:Actually, I think Nate is the one living in a bubble.

Impossible.

That's the advantage I have. I may live in a mostly upper middle class midwest suburb, but I get subjected to the mainstream media every time I turn on the TV or radio. It's impossible to avoid others' perspectives even if I wanted to. But you, living in 94% Democrat DC Metro area, watching news created by journalists who are 92% Democrat, and living and working amongst government employees dependent on the never ending expansion of the State, cannot help from being in a bubble.

The Liberals/Globalists will never surprise Conservatives/Nationalists. We have a real good idea of how you think. The inverse is not the case.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1883 » by Wizardspride » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:26 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1884 » by AFM » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:28 pm

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Release your STD tests Donald!!!!!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1885 » by AFM » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:31 pm

Anyone been following this today?

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Did Trump and Bannon release a fake document to smoke out their leakers?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1886 » by dckingsfan » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:37 pm

DCZards wrote:The Dems and Hillary should not have taken these states for granted. It won't happen again.

Isn't that the definition :) and as the Chinese proverb goes: "we will see..."

I would like to hope that the Ds have learned the lesson - but I am not hearing. All I hear is that is "shoulda been".
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1887 » by dckingsfan » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:40 pm

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DCZards wrote:Actually, I think Nate is the one living in a bubble.

Impossible.

That's the advantage I have. I may live in a mostly upper middle class midwest suburb, but I get subjected to the mainstream media every time I turn on the TV or radio. It's impossible to avoid others' perspectives even if I wanted to. But you, living in 94% Democrat DC Metro area, watching news created by journalists who are 92% Democrat, and living and working amongst government employees dependent on the never ending expansion of the State, cannot help from being in a bubble.

The Liberals/Globalists will never surprise Conservatives/Nationalists. We have a real good idea of how you think. The inverse is not the case.

Actually, I think you are defining two different bubbles. The bubble that is middle-America where you understand the liberal agenda but don't believe the liberal media and the liberal/globalists that think that middle-America is a basket full of deplorables.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1888 » by dckingsfan » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:50 pm

Interesting - pretty much a mix of politics and public labor lobbying. I wonder if we will see Trump try to challenge the federal public labor unions. I think he might have a pretty good chance of winning once he gets his Supreme Court nominee through.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/politics/scott-pruitt-environmental-protection-agency.html?_r=0
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1889 » by dckingsfan » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:53 pm

Wow, I thought China was onboard with the Paris global warming treaty? Seems like they are saying one thing and doing another.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/world/asia/beijing-air-pollution-china-steel-production.html
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1890 » by dckingsfan » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:55 pm

AFM wrote:Release your STD tests Donald!!!!!

Intentional Cognitive Dissonance :)
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1891 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:52 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Interesting - pretty much a mix of politics and public labor lobbying. I wonder if we will see Trump try to challenge the federal public labor unions. I think he might have a pretty good chance of winning once he gets his Supreme Court nominee through.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/politics/scott-pruitt-environmental-protection-agency.html?_r=0

The U.S. is a carbon sink. Because of our capitalist economic system and Western value system, we rapidly achieved population stability before we hit a high population density. Because of our high carbon-absorbing greenery per capita, we absorb more carbon than we emit.

This is one of the reasons I'm not on board with the whole global warming globalist agenda. We are not the problem and when we ultimately subject ourselves to economy-killing taxation, we still won't meaningfully address the real problem, which is China and India.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1892 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:54 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Interesting - pretty much a mix of politics and public labor lobbying. I wonder if we will see Trump try to challenge the federal public labor unions. I think he might have a pretty good chance of winning once he gets his Supreme Court nominee through.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/politics/scott-pruitt-environmental-protection-agency.html?_r=0

Does he even need to involve the Supreme Court? Weren't public unions officially permitted via executive order from JFK? I think I read somewhere that Trump could end them with the stroke of a pen.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1893 » by Doug_Blew » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:54 pm

nate33 wrote:And then the election happened. Trump won by the biggest electoral majority for a Republican since 1988.


This is more impressive way of saying that the only other president that won by a smaller majority is Bush #2.

2016 Trump 304 - 227
2012 Obama 332 - 206
2008 Obama 365 - 173
2004 Bush W 286 - 251
2000 Bush W 271 - 266
1996 Clinton 379 - 159
1992 clinton 370 - 168
1988 Bush HW 426 - 111

Statements like these would get a bullet point as fake news if CNN provided such spin on an Liberal victory.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1894 » by DCZards » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:57 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
nate33 wrote:
DCZards wrote:Actually, I think Nate is the one living in a bubble.

Impossible.

That's the advantage I have. I may live in a mostly upper middle class midwest suburb, but I get subjected to the mainstream media every time I turn on the TV or radio. It's impossible to avoid others' perspectives even if I wanted to. But you, living in 94% Democrat DC Metro area, watching news created by journalists who are 92% Democrat, and living and working amongst government employees dependent on the never ending expansion of the State, cannot help from being in a bubble.

The Liberals/Globalists will never surprise Conservatives/Nationalists. We have a real good idea of how you think. The inverse is not the case.

Actually, I think you are defining two different bubbles. The bubble that is middle-America where you understand the liberal agenda but don't believe the liberal media and the liberal/globalists that think that middle-America is a basket full of deplorables.


I guess at the end of the day we all live in some sort of "bubble." But, imo, that bubble is based more on who we associate and spend time with than on any media outlets we happen to tune in to. I'm thankful that I live in a diverse, international region like the DC metro area where my social and cultural associations typically include a cross-section of people from various races, religions, languages and socio-economic backgrounds.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1895 » by FAH1223 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:16 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Wow, I thought China was onboard with the Paris global warming treaty? Seems like they are saying one thing and doing another.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/world/asia/beijing-air-pollution-china-steel-production.html


They're also spending hundreds of billions on renewable energy. They are the global leaders in solar panel production.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1896 » by Wizardspride » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:16 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1897 » by Wizardspride » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:18 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1898 » by sfam » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:34 pm

nate33 wrote:
DCZards wrote:Actually, I think Nate is the one living in a bubble.

Impossible.

That's the advantage I have. I may live in a mostly upper middle class midwest suburb, but I get subjected to the mainstream media every time I turn on the TV or radio. It's impossible to avoid others' perspectives even if I wanted to. But you, living in 94% Democrat DC Metro area, watching news created by journalists who are 92% Democrat, and living and working amongst government employees dependent on the never ending expansion of the State, cannot help from being in a bubble.

The Liberals/Globalists will never surprise Conservatives/Nationalists. We have a real good idea of how you think. The inverse is not the case.

Just a thought, not connected with your news intake, consider finding ways to have conversations with, and perhaps to develop relationships with Muslim Americans. Your actual physical connections also matter in terms of your "bubbleness quotient".

As a broad statement, folks speaking with deep authority on those they don't know, be it new york liberal media types talking about "fly over country" as they call it, or folks in the US talking about Muslims.

Just in broad terms for anyone's bubble popping - if you haven't ever talked to someone, had a connection with someone, or only did so sparingly, its often a good idea to temper your certainty about your beliefs about them.

And it is always possible that not all Liberals/Globalists are so easily defined. There may be actual differences there as well.
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Post#1899 » by gtn130 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:33 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1900 » by dckingsfan » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:30 am

nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Interesting - pretty much a mix of politics and public labor lobbying. I wonder if we will see Trump try to challenge the federal public labor unions. I think he might have a pretty good chance of winning once he gets his Supreme Court nominee through.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/politics/scott-pruitt-environmental-protection-agency.html?_r=0

Does he even need to involve the Supreme Court? Weren't public unions officially permitted via executive order from JFK? I think I read somewhere that Trump could end them with the stroke of a pen.

I believe that is true. Or he could do the reduction in force and let unions sue - I believe he would win that one as well.

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