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Political Roundtable Part XVII

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1881 » by cammac » Fri Feb 2, 2018 1:32 pm

What do you need to be to become a ambassador?
Quite obviously you need to be a toady recent example Brownback as Religious Freedom Ambassador what ever the f--k that is.
But for Korea a staunch conservative like Cha isn't subservient enough for the Trump regime. He had the outlandish thinking that diplomacy might be a better solution than WAR.
Alas, that's not to be. Cha may have been targeted by liberals as a right-winger with close ties to South Korean as well as American corporations, but he clearly wasn't enough to the right to suit everyone. No sooner had the White House dropped his name from the running this week, Cha had an op-ed in the Washington Post outlining his opposition to a preemptive strike on North Korea's nuclear and missile facilities—not even a "bloody nose" attack that some White House figures believe could be carried out without inspiring the massive response that everyone fears.


The State Department is being gutted of career diplomats and while many diplomatic posts for Ambassadors now and in the past rewards for supporters they had strong support staff below them to guide them. With Tillerson at the helm that is no longer so and the moral in State is at a all time low.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/where-on-earth-is-the-us-ambassador-to-south-korea-trump-has-tanked-his-own-too-rational-candidate?ref=home
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1882 » by cammac » Fri Feb 2, 2018 1:55 pm

Question how many Democrats have been the head of the FBI?
Answer ZERO!
Republican Presidents appointed Republicans and Democratic President hired Republicans on merit. The FBI is a staunchly Republican organization yet the GOP with the Nune's Memo is seeking to destroy it?
Trump and Republicans are continuing to attack the nation’s top law enforcement organizations to undermine the special counsel investigation into his campaign, which has already resulted in criminal charges against four Trump associates. But factually speaking, it’s really tough for Trump backers to credibly argue that the deck has been stacked against the president, simply based on the political leanings of the key figures in the case.


Ron Hosko, a former top FBI official who believes the FBI should have been tougher on Clinton, laughed when HuffPost asked him about the notion that the FBI was a hotbed of liberalism.

“Nothing could be further from the truth,” Hosko said. “At its core, the FBI is still a pretty conservative, right-leaning organization that tries to divorce itself of politics.”


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-russia-probe-republicans-deep-state_us_5a737d6ee4b06ee97af0d4dd

Will there be repercussions you can bet on it!
Look for more and more work being done to put the the Trumpster and Family in Orange Jumpsuits.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1883 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 1:56 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1884 » by cammac » Fri Feb 2, 2018 2:05 pm

If a Republican can't have a conspiracy theory then you can't be a right thinking Republican.
In the post, Sina said a friend of his had attended a caucus training session held at a mosque by the Muslim American Society. MAS is a nonpartisan organization that promotes civic engagement among American Muslims with local chapters across the U.S.

Sina claimed that Muslims are trying to “infiltrate our republican caucuses on Feb. 6” and that “they didn’t talk about the general election but I am sure they are ahead of us in that as well.


What can be next could blacks and Hispanics be planning a coup against the Republican Party who has tried to negate there vote.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/minnesota-republicans-muslims-caucuses_us_5a7217b9e4b05253b2752e90

Every Republican conspiracy theory has been proven wrong from Pizzagate on up. Most were ludicrous along the lines of SD20's Rothchild Rants.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1885 » by cammac » Fri Feb 2, 2018 2:16 pm

Joe Arpaio wants to run for Senator in Arizona and frankly I'm wishing him luck in getting the nomination since the Republican Party deserves him. He is right in the image of Judge Roy Moore without the sex....that is that we know of.
Two weeks after he announced his candidacy for a U.S. Senate seat in Arizona, former sheriff Joe Arpaio gave an interview to a far-right publication that has pushed wildly anti-Semitic claims that the Holocaust was a hoax and that the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks were the result of a Jewish plot.


“Alex Jones,” Arpaio replied, referring to the infamous InfoWars conspiracy theorist who has claimed the massacre of children at Sandy Hook Elementary School was a hoax, that 9/11 was orchestrated by the U.S. government, and that juice boxes make kids gay. “Is he extreme?”


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/joe-arpaio-holocaust-denial-american-free-press_us_5a736309e4b06ee97af0acf7

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I'm sure the Trumpster Scientists will be looking closely at the results so they can forcast if GLOBAL WARMING is a HOAX or just a passing FAD!!!!!!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1886 » by cammac » Fri Feb 2, 2018 2:34 pm

A rational Republican view on the Nune's debacle!
Yes I'm sure many Republicans feel the same way in the blatant attack at the FBI & Justice Department by the Trump Administration.
Riddle me this: If Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee have smoking gun evidence of a deep-state conspiracy that threatens American democracy itself, wouldn’t they be doing more than playing silly hashtag games, such as #ReleasetheMemo?

Hint: The answer is yes. If this were a serious undertaking, congressional investigators would be collaborating with the Department of Justice, FBI and relevant Senate committees to save America from the threat within. But we’re no longer dealing in the realm of facts and reason when it comes to grave matters of security and justice. We are, at Donald Trump’s behest, fully engulfed in a narrative explicitly designed to impugn and destroy the credibility of the law enforcement agency tasked with investigating the Trump campaign’s relationship with Russia during the 2016 election.


But really, at this point, it doesn’t really matter what the memo says. Prompted by Trump, his allies on Capitol Hill and in the Trump-affirming media universe, millions of Americans have been led to brainstorm all the various ways faceless bureaucrats embedded in the government could be working to undermine Trump. The entire American political media complex is consumed with speculation about what might be in the memo’s contents. We’ve all been sucked into a story we know probably isn’t true. And, there’s not a thing we can do to stop it. The president has already claimed two scalps with his shameless bullying, rumor mongering and conspiracy peddling: former FBI Director James Comey and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. And it’s happening all over again. With #Releasethememo, the FBI has already been accused of a multitude of various crimes without ever being given the chance to answer or explain.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/30/republican-party-release-the-memo-gaslighting-america-216554
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1887 » by closg00 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 2:35 pm

Russia probe lawyers think Mueller could indict Trump

Many legal scholars doubt a U.S. vs. Trump case is possible, but two attorneys who have dealt with special counsel Robert Mueller's team disagree. One expects Mueller to move as early as this spring.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/02/trump-russia-indictment-mueller-probe-384969

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1888 » by cammac » Fri Feb 2, 2018 2:54 pm

Fallout already from the REPUBLICAN tax bill!
The largest contributors to the Federal deficit and additions to the GDP in order are Bush 2, Obama ( how much of his deficit can be blamed on the disastrous Bush 2 economic collapse),Reagan, Bush1, Ford. Only Nixon, Clinton, Carter, LBJ & JFK had surpluses!!!!!!!
GOP leaders recently floated a proposal to Democrats that would raise Congress’ stiff budget caps by roughly $300 billion over two years — more than the three previous budget deals combined.

“It’s a lot of money,” Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) told POLITICO this week. “I’m obviously concerned about what I'm seeing preliminarily.”


The rumored two-year deal started around $180 billion for both defense and domestic increases. As talks progressed, the figure ballooned — an arms race between Democrats’ domestic budget wishes and the GOP’s pot of defense cash.


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/02/spending-deal-deficit-hawks-congress-384968
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1889 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 3:11 pm

looks like today will be the day. #happymemoday

Personally I'm predicting a dud but I've been all over this for almost a full year.
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Post#1890 » by I_Like_Dirt » Fri Feb 2, 2018 3:19 pm

I just wanted to say, at first, I thought the Russia stuff was the least of the worries of everything Trump and no big deal. Now, I'm actually much more concerned and think it's one of the biggest issues, if not the biggest. And this has nothing to do with any particular news source and everything to do with Russian actions and the resulting waves from those actions. Anyone who doesn't think this is a problem absolutely needs to look closer at Russian history post-USSR and pay close attention to how Putin operates and what he does. He's incredibly shrewd overall and very much a believer in the ends justifying the means - and he really isn't a believer in the ends necessarily needing to be the best for anyone other than himself.

I never thought he would be this effective this quickly. I mean, it really hasn't been so long since he was first in power, even, and back then nobody recognized those Putin memes as being a part of a larger strategy, but then it was admitted that the entire Medvedev tenure was basically a ploy to see what was possible and questions really needed to be asked at that point, and they really weren't, only sighs about the same old, same old. My views on the issue shifted pretty starkly in the 5 months or so I lived there back in the early 2000s, and in hindsight, I there was lots of nuance I didn't even come close to realizing the full implications of. The spread if information resulted in the decline of dictatorships and the rise of democracies. The spread of disinformation is turning the tables. Regardless of any other particular issue, this matters perhaps more than anything, and Putin is way out in front of the game there, though I actually think China is also farther ahead in some respects and has more potential power, but is actually behind Russia on the internal game and has been taking steps recently to change that.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1891 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 2, 2018 3:26 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:looks like today will be the day. #happymemoday

Personally I'm predicting a dud but I've been all over this for almost a full year.

If you're correct and it is a dud... say you're Ryan. What do you do about Nunes?
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Post#1892 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 2, 2018 3:43 pm

cammac wrote:Question how many Democrats have been the head of the FBI?
Answer ZERO!
Republican Presidents appointed Republicans and Democratic President hired Republicans on merit. The FBI is a staunchly Republican organization yet the GOP with the Nune's Memo is seeking to destroy it?
Trump and Republicans are continuing to attack the nation’s top law enforcement organizations to undermine the special counsel investigation into his campaign, which has already resulted in criminal charges against four Trump associates. But factually speaking, it’s really tough for Trump backers to credibly argue that the deck has been stacked against the president, simply based on the political leanings of the key figures in the case.


Ron Hosko, a former top FBI official who believes the FBI should have been tougher on Clinton, laughed when HuffPost asked him about the notion that the FBI was a hotbed of liberalism.

“Nothing could be further from the truth,” Hosko said. “At its core, the FBI is still a pretty conservative, right-leaning organization that tries to divorce itself of politics.”


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-russia-probe-republicans-deep-state_us_5a737d6ee4b06ee97af0d4dd

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Look for more and more work being done to put the the Trumpster and Family in Orange Jumpsuits.

Yeah, one of the big misconceptions about this whole thing is that this is Dems vs Republicans. Comey, Mueller, Wray, Rosenstein... are all Republicans. Ray was Trump's hand-picked man. This is the Trump administration and cronies vs the FBI and DOJ. And it's because the FBI and DOJ dare to try to be independent and actually do their jobs rather than be bullied by the White House Mafia. And why would the WHM be doing this if there wasn't something to hide? That's the question that everyone is asking themselves. That alone... is reason to keep on investigating.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1894 » by Pointgod » Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:18 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:looks like today will be the day. #happymemoday

Personally I'm predicting a dud but I've been all over this for almost a full year.


I do my best to avoid quoting SD20 directly, but are you guys really going to let this comment off the hook? After spamming the board non stop for the past two weeks, claiming the FBI is corrupt, people are going to jail and this is bigger than Watergate he's admitting that the memo is all bull?

Isn't this kind of proof that he's blatantly trolling and doesn't actually believe anything he posts?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1895 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:32 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1896 » by FAH1223 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:42 pm

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Post#1897 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:46 pm

Man, that sounds straight out of the Twilight Zone.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1898 » by cammac » Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:59 pm

Great read on the Christian Right love of Trump by a Evangelistic Christian leader!
In Canada the Catholic Church was a major political force in Quebec until the 60's the priest basically told the French Canadian congregation how to vote. That has changed and the Catholic Church has zero political power and has been on steady decline and Quebec is one of the provinces with a growing non religious population. I can see the same happening with millennial's in the Evangelistic movement.

I think we're going to have a wave of independents. I know many like that. I think many of them are tired of the conservative church being the Republican Party at prayer. They see merits on the other side. Again, they're not gonna go full-on Democrat, because some of these central moral issues like abortion and LGBT and what have you are just not going to let them become Democrats.

But I also think they recognize that there are pro-life Democrats, that Democrats may be closer to the teachings of Jesus when it comes to the poor. So perhaps they’ll want to be in the middle and be able to choose and not just reflexively pull a switch for Republicans.


It’s not fair to say that their religion is entirely false, but I certainly can understand that charge. I just don't think it's the case in most situations here. Franklin Graham is not a fraud as a Christian. James Dobson is not a fraud as a Christian. They can have moments of idiocy. They can be people who are deceived by a strong personality or get caught up in their fears and terror of Obama and Hillary.


https://www.vox.com/2017/10/4/16346800/donald-trump-christian-right-conservative-clinton
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#1900 » by gtn130 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:32 pm

This memo would be hilarious if not for the fact that it will be used to tear down our democracy.

I just read every word of it, and there isn't one thing alarming about any of this despite how desperately Nunes is trying to play things up.

Nate, you should be ashamed of yourself for falling for this garbage.

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