Political Roundtable Part XX

[stilldropin20]

I vil qvit executing zee children at zee border if you give me exactly vat I vant.

Until zen zee executions vil continue.

You can make zis easy, just do as I say.

solid faux german.

but...but...but...but in your desire to entertain us you're forgetting the daca!!!!!!!!! you get the daca!!!!!!!!!! i heard this is a big deal!!!!!!!!!!! dems been crying about it for 2 years(literally tears on the floor in both the senate and the house!!!!) . and you get to end the separation of children at the border!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I heard this is a big one too!!!!!!!!!!! Dems been crying about this one for a whole week!!!!!!!!! <---no really...we got a whole week on this one.

Now i dont know if the fervor and rhetoric will ever reach the heights of the fever pitch on russia russie russia of jan-nov 2017. That was 24/7 7 days per week for a solid 11 months. That was impressive. And GTN, Clogs and wizpride still think its gown happen. even if they lost all the air out of the balloon these 3 dont seem to have noticed. So dey's still gown try!!

I mean the dems have the attention span of a housefly unless their is salaciousness involved like models peeing on each other so then again, maybe not. It looks like they finally got something they can sink their teeth into. I mean their russia bit all but collapsed last thursday so they gotta work quick to find something!! This one's got it all. Crying babies at the border, parents running for cover, lawyers wearing wires, and actual footage of kids playing nintendo and shooting pool inside inbetween english and government class.
I give it a week before fox news haws has 3 kids on TV saying, "we dont want to leave!" Can we stay at the concentration camp?" and with Horowitz' entirely unveiled "tell" on IG russia probe during clinton email House hearing has prepared (the smart) dems for full collapse on their russia narrative, this one might have the legs to go another week or so. So. As micheal Jackson once said, this is it baby!!! This is all the dems are going to run on in 2018. This is their big issue!! Baby gate!!! summer camp gate!! a whole whopping maximum 20 days of separation (intended to curtail human trafficking BTW).

[montestewart]

Stop me if you've heard this one before. A racist piece of garbage DHS Secretary walks into a Mexican restaurant.

"I'll take two dishwashers taco"

[Wizardspride]

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[Zonkerbl]

The party that adopts it will commit long-term political suicide as well, IMO.

This is the one place where I very strongly disagree with you. Not that I think it's a great reality or anything, but given the terms involved in elections and the layers of government, it is very, very easy, to continually blame the other party whenever they wind up in power, or to blame immigrants themselves.

Japan basically has what nate is arguing for already and their economy has been struggling for ages. They were the canary in the coal mine and are now essentially trying to create a manga robot army to replace the lack of children and immigration (I say that only partly tongue in cheek, sadly). Everyone there knows their economy is poised for disaster. Over a third of their population is over 60 years old already and it's getting worst at an ever-increasing speed.

Despite that reality, Japan is still struggling with the idea that immigration is a potential positive, let alone a necessity. Japan has only just started to decide that maybe they should try to get some immigrations very recently, and they're being very slow-footed on the uptake. They've wisely decided to mirror some of Canada's immigration system, but haven't moved a whole heck of a lot, if at all, when it comes to actually being willing or able to flexibly incorporate them into their society - language is a big one, but it goes well beyond that. And it isn't political suicide in Japan to be hesitant on immigration. They basically waited until it was too late to start trying anything and then, when they finally started trying things weren't very happy about it and weren't willing to be flexible at all about it. Instead, they tried throwing money at the problem for decades... that hasn't worked out as well as they hoped.

While I agree with your assertion on Japan, I disagree on the US. Our demographics have been changing - eventually that will catch up with you when you are anti-Asian, anti-Hispanic. It is long-term political suicide, IMO.

Japan's government debt to GDP ratio is greater than 200%, higher than Greece's was when it went under

[gtn130]

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Nate and SD20 support this

[Zonkerbl]

Corey who?

Seriously the only reason this dirtbag has a platform is because the liars and Russian propaganda broadcasters at Fox News give him one. No need to reinforce this loser's message of hate by rebroadcasting it, even if you're condemning it.

[nate33]

What would you do if we passed laws that allowed homeless to get access to your home whenever they want, eat your food, and you couldn't do anything about it? Would you just open your doors wide open and let 10 of them in? If not, you're Hitler!

I would kidnap their kids and lock them in my caged basement.

Lol well done.

That one shut him up.

Stupid analogy. The kids aren't being locked up. They're being put in foster care. It's the parents who are being locked up because, you know, THEY'RE COMMITTING CRIMES!

[gtn130]

Corey who?

Seriously the only reason this dirtbag has a platform is because the liars and Russian propaganda broadcasters at Fox News give him one. No need to reinforce this loser's message of hate by rebroadcasting it, even if you're condemning it.

Exposing the monstrosity behind these policies that Trump and the GOP try to obfuscate and add complexity to is totally worthwhile imo.

Notice how Nate and SD20 are silent on this. There's no masking how depraved this is. It's not like there are 'moderates' who exist in this universe and will see that clip and be like "Wow pretty compelling stuff. I think I really support this child separation stuff"

[gtn130]

I would kidnap their kids and lock them in my caged basement.

Lol well done.

That one shut him up.

Stupid analogy. The kids aren't being locked up. They're being put in foster care. It's the parents who are being locked up because, you know, THEY'RE COMMITTING CRIMES!

They're literally being put in tents in 100 degree weather while being forcefully separated from their parents. You're a terrible person.

[stilldropin20]

In most cases, this is proven that the drug cartels are drugging up and abusing their workers then stealing the children from their "workers" and forcing those children to cross the border en masse.

The drug cartels are doing this to overwhelm border control and ICE. <--once overwhelmed they can get their drugs into the country easier.

Once inside the temporary detainment facility<--the kids are living better than they ever have. In many cases these are children of what is essentially slaves to MS-13 in central america that became slaves to the mexican cartels that become slaves to the coyotes that run them.

YOU GUYS are all on the wrong side of history on this. All for votes. You are doing this all for votes. None of you have gone down to the border and "helped." None of you have adotped a child in need. Laura ingraham of FOX NEWS HAS adopted 3 children in need and been to the border and central america often to help and volunteer.

Meahwhile border control is working!!!!! food stamps just fell 5% to an 8 year low. 45M people were on food stamps. now only 40M people. Because Americans have more money. More jobs!! Less illegals stealing those jobs!!! Less Americans are scratching and clawing for food!!! Does anyone care about american children???? Anyone of you??? Or just illegal immigrants children that spend a whole 20 days shooting pool and playing nintendo for the first time in their lives and seeing a doctor and dentist for the first time in their lives? Just care about them, huh? You guys should be ashamed of yourselves!!!!!

[Zonkerbl]

I would kidnap their kids and lock them in my caged basement.

Lol well done.

That one shut him up.

Stupid analogy. The kids aren't being locked up. They're being put in foster care. It's the parents who are being locked up because, you know, THEY'RE COMMITTING CRIMES!

So you admit they are being kidnapped and just have a problem with the phrase "locked up"?

[nate33]

Lol well done.

That one shut him up.

Stupid analogy. The kids aren't being locked up. They're being put in foster care. It's the parents who are being locked up because, you know, THEY'RE COMMITTING CRIMES!

They're literally being put in tents in 100 degree weather while being forcefully separated from their parents. You're a terrible person.

Exactly what remedy do you propose that doesn't involve letting illegal immigrants to roam free in our country?

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[nate33]

Lol well done.

That one shut him up.

Stupid analogy. The kids aren't being locked up. They're being put in foster care. It's the parents who are being locked up because, you know, THEY'RE COMMITTING CRIMES!

So you admit they are being kidnapped and just have a problem with the phrase "locked up"?

Exactly what remedy do you propose that doesn't involve letting illegal immigrants to roam free in our country?

[I_Like_Dirt]

Stupid analogy. The kids aren't being locked up. They're being put in foster care. It's the parents who are being locked up because, you know, THEY'RE COMMITTING CRIMES!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they actually committing misdemeanors and not felonies? The only thing that has changed here is that Jeff Sessions has decided to start prosecuting the misdemeanor of seeking asylum in a manner that jails them? Tell you what, let's start doing mass foster care plans and incarcerations for other misdemeanors like public intoxication and reckless driving, and discharging a firearm within city limits. Let's also send out mass police forces into fraternities on college campuses to ensure that public intoxication rule is being adhered to, and let's send people storming around the suburbs to jail and take away the kids, putting them into cages before considering foster care, of anyone caught in possession of cannabis. If you can't see how ridiculous this is, I don't know what to say.

[Zonkerbl]

Stupid analogy. The kids aren't being locked up. They're being put in foster care. It's the parents who are being locked up because, you know, THEY'RE COMMITTING CRIMES!

So you admit they are being kidnapped and just have a problem with the phrase "locked up"?

Exactly what remedy do you propose that doesn't involve letting illegal immigrants to roam free in our country?

Oh, no you're not getting off the hook that easily Nate. This is about your advocating for children to be kidnapped from their parents and separated possibly forever. You're not going to get out of this by going "hey look over there!" First you admit being a Nazi is bad. Then we can talk immigration reform.

[Zonkerbl]

Stupid analogy. The kids aren't being locked up. They're being put in foster care. It's the parents who are being locked up because, you know, THEY'RE COMMITTING CRIMES!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they actually committing misdemeanors and not felonies? The only thing that has changed here is that Jeff Sessions has decided to start prosecuting the misdemeanor of seeking asylum in a manner that jails them? Tell you what, let's start doing mass foster care plans and incarcerations for other misdemeanors like public intoxication and reckless driving, and discharging a firearm within city limits. Let's also send out mass police forces into fraternities on college campuses to ensure that public intoxication rule is being adhered to, and let's send people storming around the suburbs to jail and take away the kids, putting them into cages before considering foster care, of anyone caught in possession of cannabis. If you can't see how ridiculous this is, I don't know what to say.

The misdemeanor is entering the country illegally. In the past we first gave them a chance to sue for asylum. They've decided to charge them with illegal entry first, and then when they get convicted they can protest by reason of needing asylum. This is what "forces" them to separate parents from children.

[nate33]

So you admit they are being kidnapped and just have a problem with the phrase "locked up"?

Exactly what remedy do you propose that doesn't involve letting illegal immigrants to roam free in our country?

Oh, no you're not getting off the hook that easily Nate. This is about your advocating for children to be kidnapped from their parents and separated possibly forever. You're not going to get out of this by going "hey look over there!" First you admit being a Nazi is bad. Then we can talk immigration reform.

Yes I am "getting off this easy". You jump up and down about how evil Trump is, but you offer no solution other than open borders. We have a system of laws that simply does not permit protecting our border without separating parents from children. The only alternative is to let people who say that they are the kids parents to roam free as illegal aliens in American and just hope that they show up for a hearing.

You watch. The Republicans are going to pass Ted Cruz's bill which will be a stand-alone bill to create family detention centers in order to address the issue, and Democrats won't sign it. Why? Because Democrats don't care about these kids. They are using them as pawns to ensure open borders to flood the country with future Democrat voters.

And if these illegal immigrant families don't want to be treated harshly, then they can follow the proper procedure and declare asylum at a port of entry. But they don't do this because they're looking to exploit the loophole. Trump simply closed the loophole.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Exactly what remedy do you propose that doesn't involve letting illegal immigrants to roam free in our country?

How do you propose getting all the Jews out of Europe if they didn't kill them all?

I'll tell you what, how about we confiscate any wealth associated with anyone who has possibly considered supporting this particular strategy and then kick them out of the country? If there is any doubt, the burden of proof will be on the individual and if they can't prove it, they're gone. I hope you realize that's a ridiculous position to take. So is this plan.

If you're wondering why people recognize that it's futile to try to prevent every single illegal immigrant from ever getting in, this is why. The reality is that eliminating something outright always results in terrible plans. Heck, it's why it's more effective to prevent abortions through education and life supports than it is to ban it. It's why prohibition was of... debatable... value.

If you want to avoid illegal immigrants, the realistic way is to make legal means more functional while supporting other countries to avoid situations where people are going to try to immigrate illegally in the first place. Of course, that's the opposite strategy of what's being employed here. You aren't going to get overnight results and you aren't going to eliminate it entirely ever. What you might see is some extremely wealthy people move way out into the ocean or into space or something, or create massive armed communities with their own private militaries to guard them and keep those pesky poor people away, but given how wealth is distributed even at the best of times, that's only going to be a very select few.

[Zonkerbl]

Exactly what remedy do you propose that doesn't involve letting illegal immigrants to roam free in our country?

Oh, no you're not getting off the hook that easily Nate. This is about your advocating for children to be kidnapped from their parents and separated possibly forever. You're not going to get out of this by going "hey look over there!" First you admit being a Nazi is bad. Then we can talk immigration reform.

Yes I am "getting off this easy". You jump up and down about how evil Trump is, but you offer no solution other than open borders. We have a system of laws that simply does not permit protecting our border without separating parents from children. The only alternative is to let people who say that they are the kids parents to roam free as illegal aliens in American and just hope that they show up for a hearing.

You watch. The Republicans are going to pass Ted Cruz's bill which will be a stand-alone bill to create family detention centers in order to address the issue, and Democrats won't sign it. Why? Because Democrats don't care about these kids. They are using them as pawns to ensure open borders to flood the country with future Democrat voters.

Nope. You don't get to advocate for monstrosities and claim that someone has somehow forced you to do it. You monsters chose this. Be responsible for your own actions for once.