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2021 Draft thread. Woo! 15th pick here we come! Hoo. Ray.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread. Woo! 15th pick here we come! Hoo. Ray. 

Post#1881 » by 80sballboy » Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:11 pm

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80sballboy wrote:Latest ESPN.com mock from Givovny

15. Washington Wizards
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The fastest-paced team in the NBA would surely be attracted to the youth and upside offered by Jackson, a rim-running, lob-catching shot-blocker who dropped strong glimpses of offensive potential in his lone year at Kentucky.


He has Garuba going 17, Moody 18, Kispert 13, Wagner 11.


I just don't see Moody falling past us. We already have Gafford.

These are KOC's weaknesses for him:

Struggled to generate open shots against better defenders. Doesn’t project as a primary scorer unless his handle dramatically improves, and lacks the fluidity of players who develop that skill.

Lacks a floater.

Draws a lot of fouls but doesn’t finish well inside. A below-the-rim finisher. Needs to add more touch on finishes.

Lives in the midrange off the dribble. Needs to extend his range to 3 to hit more one-dribble side-step shots like high-level role players can.


On a team with Westbrook and Beal, he doesn't need to be a primary scorer, but if he's a 4th option? Maybe 3rd as a ceiling...why not?

Feels like a floater is something that can come with time and not necessarily a weakness. He's only 19.

All in all, it's weaknesses that can be corrected with playing time, practice, etc.


Not sure if Jonathan even takes needs into some of these picks. However, if many of those top wing guys are gone, I would certainly consider him. We'll see who they bring in for workouts in the next couple of weeks (assuming they do), though Deni was not one of those guys they brought in so you never know what Tommy is thinking. I remember when they took Rasheed Wallace in 1995 and everybody wondered why they were taking another big when they already had Webber and Howard. Of course, those were different times and we turned that into a declining Rod Strickland and Harvey Grant the next summer.
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Post#1882 » by Frichuela » Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:06 pm

Like his game loads…however has anyone heard more substance to the rumors he may suffer from a heart condition?

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Post#1883 » by Ruzious » Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:24 pm

Frichuela wrote:Like his game loads…however has anyone heard more substance to the rumors he may suffer from a heart condition?

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It's nothing new with him. The doctors will have to figure out if it's a real concern. It was given as a reason for him not participating in some of the combine activities, so that's not a good sign.
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Post#1885 » by nate33 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:17 pm

80sballboy wrote:Some of these mock drafts make no sense when it comes to fit for our team


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2945264-nba-mock-draft-2021-projections-for-prospects-with-most-star-potential

Has us taking Cooper when Moody and Butler are both on the board. I don't see it, unless we trade Westbrook this offseason.


https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-mock-draft-prospect-rankings-combine-lotto-pistons-rockets/

Has us taking Kai Jones. That's not out of the question. That mock has most of the good SF prospects (Moody, Kispert, Wagner) gone already, as well as Giddey. If those guys are off the board, I could see us drafting a mobile 4/5 guy like Jones to groom as a switch-everything smallball 5. It would take some time to develop him though. Sheppard is probably more inclined to draft someone like Butler or Duarte, who are NBA-ready right now. He might also look at a high upside SF prospect like Zaire Williams.


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-cade-cunningham-goes-to-the-lottery-winning-pistons-at-no-1-jalen-suggs-to-rockets/

That mock has most of the good SF prospects off the board so we end up with Bouknight. I could live with that. Bouknight is reportedly moving up the boards after significantly improving his outside shooting. He is almost 6-5 with a 6-8 wingspan so he could probably play some minutes at SF when he is not backing up Beal. I like that he drew a lot of FT's as a college player
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Post#1886 » by NatP4 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:54 pm

I wouldn’t be crazy excited about Butler, but he’s going to be a really good pro. Also super a likeable person. You could do a lot worse on draft night. Just more of a really high level role player than a core piece at 15.
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Post#1887 » by Ruzious » Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:01 pm

I'm not a big Bouknight fan. He's a ball-hog who seems like strictly an iso player. That's fine if you're a brilliant scorer, but in the games I saw, he wasn't. I see him as an inefficient high volume shooter in the NBA who doesn't do a whole lot else.

I won't complain about Cooper -even though he's a short guard who hasn't shown he can hit 3's. He's strong for his size and is a tremendous penetrator. He's talked very bravely of developing a 3 - said his college numbers were too small of a sample size and seems convinced he'll be good at it. If he does develop it, he'll be very hard to defend.
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Post#1888 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:09 pm

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!

Trade down.... Knicks 19 & 32 or Thunder 18 & 34 ???

McBride and Wieskamp !!!!

Please please please



















WE NEED THIS !!!!!!!!!

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Post#1889 » by NatP4 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:05 am

Yes to Wieskamp. He’s going to be a good one.
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Post#1890 » by payitforward » Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:01 pm

Superballman with the over the top enthusiasm! :)

I could definitely like a McBride & Wieskamp draw.

Thing is... to me at least this looks like a really deep draft. So, we also need to *buy* a high R2 pick.
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Post#1891 » by Ruzious » Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:34 pm

payitforward wrote:Superballman with the over the top enthusiasm! :)

I could definitely like a McBride & Wieskamp draw.

Thing is... to me at least this looks like a really deep draft. So, we also need to *buy* a high R2 pick.

I love it - totally agree with you guys! Might have to settle for buying a couple of mid 2nd rounders. Gotta get you know who with one of them - Hauser. I'd like Huff, too - but I haven't heard anything about him participating in the combine. And Moses Wright!
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Post#1892 » by DCZards » Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:28 pm

I'm a big fan of Alabama's Herb Jones. If the Zards are buying a pick(s) in the second round I hope he's on their short list. Jones may be the best wing defender in the draft and he's shown steady improvement with both his FT and 3pt shooting.

He's a little old--gonna be 23 in October--but he's also a mature on court leader.
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Post#1893 » by Frichuela » Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:34 pm

DCZards wrote:I'm a big fan of Alabama's Herb Jones. If the Zards are buying a pick(s) in the second round I hope he's on their short list. Jones may be the best wing defender in the draft and he's shown steady improvement with both his FT and 3pt shooting.

He's a little old--gonna be 23 in October--but he's also a mature on court leader.


Agreed. He could be a good pick-up as a defender wing.
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Post#1894 » by smoothSeph » Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:37 pm

Ruzious wrote:I won't complain about Cooper -even though he's a short guard who hasn't shown he can hit 3's. He's strong for his size and is a tremendous penetrator. He's talked very bravely of developing a 3 - said his college numbers were too small of a sample size and seems convinced he'll be good at it. If he does develop it, he'll be very hard to defend.

Ironically Cooper reminds me of Ish Smith, even down to the ugly jumper :lol:

He has a lot more offensive potential if he can clean that up though.
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Post#1895 » by Ruzious » Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:01 pm

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Ruzious wrote:I won't complain about Cooper -even though he's a short guard who hasn't shown he can hit 3's. He's strong for his size and is a tremendous penetrator. He's talked very bravely of developing a 3 - said his college numbers were too small of a sample size and seems convinced he'll be good at it. If he does develop it, he'll be very hard to defend.

Ironically Cooper reminds me of Ish Smith, even down to the ugly jumper :lol:

He has a lot more offensive potential if he can clean that up though.

True - Ish is his floor - though Cooper looks stronger and more explosive.
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Post#1896 » by Mizerooskie » Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:10 pm

I guess I'd be in the minority in being very, very happy with Cooper? :dontknow:
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Post#1897 » by Frichuela » Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:53 pm

Mizerooskie wrote:I guess I'd be in the minority in being very, very happy with Cooper? :dontknow:


I see the appeal but his shooting form makes me nervous. Also, his size is another drawback.
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Post#1898 » by Frichuela » Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:55 pm

To me trading down -if possible- would be the answer. This draft is loaded with guards and wings so ending up with both would be ideal.
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Post#1899 » by TGW » Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:31 pm

I have a weird feeling that if Franz Wagner isn't there, the pick is Alperen Şengün or Roko Prkacin. Tommy likes his international players.
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Post#1900 » by Frichuela » Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:37 pm

TGW wrote:I have a weird feeling that if Franz Wagner isn't there, the pick is Alperen Şengün or Roko Prkacin. Tommy likes his international players.


I hope not mate :banghead:

And if he wants to choose international then give me Garuba who is athletic, great defender already and has good upside.

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