Political Roundtable Part XXX

[dckingsfan]

See, if this were a Republican board we'd be in a peeing contest to see who could say the most reprehensibly racist thing. Because the GOP embraces their radical wing and that is why they are successful. All I get for trying to inject some truth into this thread is "foaming at the mouth" here and wagging fingers about black farmers there. Republicans didn't make Joe Biden say "I don't support defunding the police"

Weird - I thought we were criticizing the method of the messaging and what defund means to a bureaucrat vs. the electorate...

[Wizardspride]

See, if this were a Republican board we'd be in a peeing contest to see who could say the most reprehensibly racist thing. Because the GOP embraces their radical wing and that is why they are successful. All I get for trying to inject some truth into this thread is "foaming at the mouth" here and wagging fingers about black farmers there. Republicans didn't make Joe Biden say "I don't support defunding the police"

Before I respond, define "defund the police".

[Wizardspride]

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[dobrojim]

I'm glad that the indictments were handed down.

It's encouraging that DOJ has gotten cooperation (plea deals) from some of those charged.

I'm still worried about getting convictions given the history of sedition charges
in this country and that people/groups that were probably/definitely guilty as sin
got acquitted. This was covered at some length on Maddow last night.

I wonder what Cakes or any other lawyer (on the board) would say about that.

on a completely separate note, I'm shocked that Fox isn't planning to cover
the public Jan 6 committee hearings. Shocked I tell you.

[Zonkerbl]

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

S is getting real.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Protect schools the same way.

[Zonkerbl]

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This is a statement from the police, so don't believe it until it's been independently confirmed. Police are a bunch of lying liars. Remember all the lies the Uvalde police told.

[Zonkerbl]

Speaking of protecting schools, John Oliver did a piece on it last Sunday. His first point is that the problem is guns, not school security, and throwing cops at the problem is stupid.

First of all, putting cops in schools results in more dangerous shootings (the shooters are from that school and know there's an armed cop there, so they bring more guns), more kids going to jail, and intimidation of black students.

A lot of school shooters are students at that school, so firing your "School Resource Officer" and replacing them with a psychology counselor trained to provide anger management therapy to at risk students is more effective. It is much, much cheaper, more effective in preventing actual shootings, and has good external effects on the overall mental health of the entire student body, rather than inflicting emotional harm on them. So the [edit: partial, of course reducing the insane amount of guns in this country is the true solution] solution to school shootings is to get rid of all SROs and replace them with appropriately trained school counselors. An ounce of prevention (providing anger management, which actually has a chance of preventing shootings) is worth a pound of a completely worthless, cowardly, lying "good guy with a gun."

Oh and DEFUND THE POLICE

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Speaking of protecting schools, John Oliver did a piece on it last Sunday. His first point is that the problem is guns, not school security, and throwing cops at the problem is stupid.

First of all, putting cops in schools results in more dangerous shootings (the shooters are from that school and know there's an armed cop there, so they bring more guns), more kids going to jail, and intimidation of black students.

A lot of school shooters are students at that school, so firing your "School Resource Officer" and replacing them with a psychology counselor trained to provide anger management therapy to at risk students is more effective. It is much, much cheaper, more effective in preventing actual shootings, and has good external effects on the overall mental health of the entire student body, rather than inflicting emotional harm on them. So the solution to school shootings is to get rid of all SROs and replace them with appropriately trained school counselors. An ounce of prevention (providing anger management, which actually has a chance of preventing shootings) is worth a pound of a completely worthless, cowardly, lying "good guy with a gun."

Oh and DEFUND THE POLICE

The problem is GUNS.

I taught middle school one year in AL in 2004-2005. Around that, for eleven years I was a substitute teacher on Oahu for eleven years.

Suggestion: Put a tracking I interface on AR15 weapons and semiautomatics similar to the unique network interface card on cell phones. Automatically detect within a designated school area unauthorized weaponry.

Suggestion: Formulate by vote and by vetting and verification FULLY QUALIFIED RESPONSE TEAMS for each school. Older veterans who are bonded or licensed with no felony or preventative misdemeanor SHOULD BE THE AUGMENTEE to police. Not George Zimmerman. No. Federal and quasi- state with counties in mind. Disaster preparedness and FEMA have implementation.National guard and volunteer fire have their own missions. I think mall security is not trained enough. LEGIT and not wannabe aryan or militants are the type to CONTAIN active shooter and in some cases Chuck Norris if possible.

What I’m referencing is a Guardian Angel type force to work in concert with next suggestion

Suggestion: Social media network protection. Facebook and Twitter can communicate in near real time. At the state, city, and local level their needs to be an Amber alert system for schools in conjunction with last suggestion

Suggestion: Peer mediation. Every classroom has a child who is a peacemaker or at the very least unafraid to report tension, friction, fight or fright in ranks. Their should be a monitor who’s not outed for being responsible.

Last thing: let kids fight if it’s pretty even, fair, and not anything more than one on one. Believe it or not I’ve seen conflict resolved in early middle and elementary grades WITHOUT school administrators or law enforcement involved.Most of the shooters are repressed, never fought, never belonged or even got rejected because they were dissociative.

My suggestions on school safety are my own.

[pancakes3]

sorry, CCJ, the reason kids that are bullied don't fight back is bc they're smaller than the bullies. and the reason guns are dangerous is that even in the hands of a scrawny kid, that kid is capable of mowing down people by the dozens.

there's no panacea for any of this, but a gun ban goes a long way, and limits the incidents of violence to just fist fights where the damage is minimized. that said, you don't have to "let kids fight"

when kids punch each other, it doesn''t resolve anything. this isn't the movies. the bully isn't going to smirk and say "ya know what? you're all right." that bully is going to escalate. physical violence doesn't dissolve the underlying issues plaguing both the bully and the bullied, be it problems at home, insecurity, raging hormones, social pressures, etc. it's just 2 kids giving into base instincts and IGNORING THE ACTUAL PROBLEM.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

sorry, CCJ, the reason kids that are bullied don't fight back is bc they're smaller than the bullies. and the reason guns are dangerous is that even in the hands of a scrawny kid, that kid is capable of mowing down people by the dozens.

there's no panacea for any of this, but a gun ban goes a long way, and limits the incidents of violence to just fist fights where the damage is minimized. that said, you don't have to "let kids fight"

when kids punch each other, it doesn''t resolve anything. this isn't the movies. the bully isn't going to smirk and say "ya know what? you're all right." that bully is going to escalate. physical violence doesn't dissolve the underlying issues plaguing both the bully and the bullied, be it problems at home, insecurity, raging hormones, social pressures, etc. it's just 2 kids giving into base instincts and IGNORING THE ACTUAL PROBLEM.

Your opinion is just an opinion--neither more or less valid than mine.

I suggested four of five things, and I read your sorry CCJ as patronizing bullshyt. Not offended just not in the mood.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

sorry, CCJ, the reason kids that are bullied don't fight back is bc they're smaller than the bullies. and the reason guns are dangerous is that even in the hands of a scrawny kid, that kid is capable of mowing down people by the dozens.

there's no panacea for any of this, but a gun ban goes a long way, and limits the incidents of violence to just fist fights where the damage is minimized. that said, you don't have to "let kids fight"

when kids punch each other, it doesn''t resolve anything. this isn't the movies. the bully isn't going to smirk and say "ya know what? you're all right." that bully is going to escalate. physical violence doesn't dissolve the underlying issues plaguing both the bully and the bullied, be it problems at home, insecurity, raging hormones, social pressures, etc. it's just 2 kids giving into base instincts and IGNORING THE ACTUAL PROBLEM.

In how many classrooms have you been a facilitator, an instructor, a teacher, a substitute or even a paraprofessional teacher? I realize Hawaii is very different, even the part of Oahu I'm on. So was Alabama in the early 2000s. I full on beatdown solves NOTHING. I said an EVEN/FAIR fight and you must not have felt like comprehending that part.

I've seen soldiers, during morning PT jostle and in effect fight. My ex-wife, who at the time was an enlisted E5 had a fight with a fellow female soldier.

PEOPLE WHO AIN'T NEVA ...

When I was a kid, I was small and I was called niger a few times. ONLY ONCE by each person that called me that. Every single one of them (4 or 5 IIRC) got smacked. That was that. Funny thing, no more N-word to Kenny.

I had to walk to school and back...alone.

The last bit of violence I ever experienced was traumatic. I won't even share it here because I don't think you're going to receive it in the right spirit.

MY SINCERE BELIEF IS YOUTH NEED TO KNOW SELF DEFENSE from a certified MMA source, if just the basics: How to fall, how to block, proximics and how to keep a safe defensive distance--things like that.

Fighting back and KNOWING I was a badass kept me from EVER having to fight except for the one incident I won't tell you about. All I'm saying is certain people would benefit but NONE OF THIS IS ABOUT UVALDE OR THE SUGGESTIONS ABOVE>

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Politics is a thread for people who want to hear and smell their own farts.

REMIND ME NEVER TO VENTURE HERE

[Zonkerbl]

Speak for yourself, my farts smell GREAT

[Zonkerbl]

Speaking of protecting schools, John Oliver did a piece on it last Sunday. His first point is that the problem is guns, not school security, and throwing cops at the problem is stupid.

First of all, putting cops in schools results in more dangerous shootings (the shooters are from that school and know there's an armed cop there, so they bring more guns), more kids going to jail, and intimidation of black students.

A lot of school shooters are students at that school, so firing your "School Resource Officer" and replacing them with a psychology counselor trained to provide anger management therapy to at risk students is more effective. It is much, much cheaper, more effective in preventing actual shootings, and has good external effects on the overall mental health of the entire student body, rather than inflicting emotional harm on them. So the solution to school shootings is to get rid of all SROs and replace them with appropriately trained school counselors. An ounce of prevention (providing anger management, which actually has a chance of preventing shootings) is worth a pound of a completely worthless, cowardly, lying "good guy with a gun."

Oh and DEFUND THE POLICE

The problem is GUNS.

I taught middle school one year in AL in 2004-2005. Around that, for eleven years I was a substitute teacher on Oahu for eleven years.

Suggestion: Put a tracking I interface on AR15 weapons and semiautomatics similar to the unique network interface card on cell phones. Automatically detect within a designated school area unauthorized weaponry.

Suggestion: Formulate by vote and by vetting and verification FULLY QUALIFIED RESPONSE TEAMS for each school. Older veterans who are bonded or licensed with no felony or preventative misdemeanor SHOULD BE THE AUGMENTEE to police. Not George Zimmerman. No. Federal and quasi- state with counties in mind. Disaster preparedness and FEMA have implementation.National guard and volunteer fire have their own missions. I think mall security is not trained enough. LEGIT and not wannabe aryan or militants are the type to CONTAIN active shooter and in some cases Chuck Norris if possible.

What I’m referencing is a Guardian Angel type force to work in concert with next suggestion

Suggestion: Social media network protection. Facebook and Twitter can communicate in near real time. At the state, city, and local level their needs to be an Amber alert system for schools in conjunction with last suggestion

Suggestion: Peer mediation. Every classroom has a child who is a peacemaker or at the very least unafraid to report tension, friction, fight or fright in ranks. Their should be a monitor who’s not outed for being responsible.

Last thing: let kids fight if it’s pretty even, fair, and not anything more than one on one. Believe it or not I’ve seen conflict resolved in early middle and elementary grades WITHOUT school administrators or law enforcement involved.Most of the shooters are repressed, never fought, never belonged or even got rejected because they were dissociative.

My suggestions on school safety are my own.

yeah I screwed up and forget to mention that anger management is just a bandaid for the real solution, drastically lowering the number of guns in this country (as an economist I can't endorse banning them because it has bad unintended consequences)

Anyway I really would have benefited from anger management therapy as a teen and I'm kind of angry that we are still too stupid to provide it regularly. Our whole country needs it right now.

[pancakes3]

Politics is a thread for people who want to hear and smell their own farts.

REMIND ME NEVER TO VENTURE HERE

oh come on, i know ppl have said way meaner things on these boards than what i had thrown up.

we're just talking. don't have to take your ball and go home.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

[Zonkerbl]

When I was in kindergarten I went to visit this guy named Mike at his house and we got in a fist fight and I gave him a bloody nose. We've been best friends ever since. I don't think you should just let kids fight in high school though, that can escalate.