Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

[Benjammin]

It looks like the Suns are trading their unprotected 2031 #1 for three late first round picks from Utah. I guess they're going after Jimmy Buckets.

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[gambitx777]

It looks like the Suns are trading their unprotected 2031 #1 for three late first round picks from Utah. I guess they're going after Jimmy Buckets.

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That is stupid lol

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[gambitx777]

I wound if we could get involved for some small assets we have a lot of expiring deals that can go out and a TPE and a valuable small deal like JV

We could help facilitate some shananagans

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[gambitx777]

So thinking of some ways to facilitate this Jimmy beal stuff.

We could assist the buck in getting under the second apron
We trade JV for portis, the French 23 year old guard they have the rights to and a 2031 second
We absorb pat connigton into our tpe for 2031 First
Then we participate in the big buttler trade.
With that savings made the bucks can now aggregate salary.

Now all this happens before the big trade so we now have portis and connigton and the assets listed above.

Here's the big trade

Wiz get : Middleton, Lopez, 1 firsts from PHX, a protected first from LAC, a second from the suns and a second form the LAC

LAC : get Kuz

PHX: get Jimmy

Bucks get : beal, Johnny Davis

Heat get : Bagley, Holmes, Tucker, battunn and Hyland. 2 firsts from the suns.

LAC get Kuz for not too bad a price that's been rounered for a while

PHX gets Jimmy and saves some money

Bucks save big money tax wise and get beal and a center while staying under the second apron.

Heat getting an ok haul for a problem child like buttler. 2 frp and 2 young players in Bagley and Davis for reclamation projects is decent. And only taking 4 mill in long term money.


Now in my hypothetical we would then set out to try and get something out of what we got.

We would trade Middleton to Chicago

Chicago gets Middleton
Wiz get Lonzo, stick smith and that Portland protected first.

They get a piece to yolo go for the play in.

We get a young big and another pick. And get back under the tax.

We can then look to Memphis. They were hunting for a forward and willing to pay a protected pick for one a few weeks back. I say Wendi talking about how they are definitely gonna lose one or both of them due to the contract situations and how they didn't sign them to extensions and they are looking for a forward under contract. They have a TPE and kennards contract.

Mem gets: portis and connigton.
Wiz get : kennard, and one of or both of laravia and aldama and a second

A lot of people here hold aldama and laravia pretty highly valued but due to the situation we might be able to steal them for a really solid vet in portis.

As for Lopez
We trade him to Brooklyn

Nets get Lopez
Wiz get bogdinavic and zire Williams.

This gets the nets someroom form the tax and doesn't add salary.
Might also dodge the ilgalskis rule of Lopez gets bought out I think if you get traded twice you can ten go back to the original team if you're then bought out? Maybe idk .

But we get Williams and we can then move on.

So all in all this gets us

All and all this would get the wiz
4 firsts, 3 ish seconds, 3 young bigs and a young forward.

For Kuz Bagley Holmes Davis and JV .... Pretty solid hall and the contracts of kennard Lonzo and bogddonavic to trade further if we wanna keep taking back bad money before the dead line.

I had a lot of down time tonight lol

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[Frichuela]

I’m hoping we would get the late 2025 1st PHO just got (from the Jazz) in this trade scenario, maybe sending one of our 2025 2nds to the Heat…

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[bsilver]

I’m hoping we would get the late 2025 1st PHO just got (from the Jazz) in this trade scenario, maybe sending one of our 2025 2nds to the Heat…

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No way the Bucks would want any part of this. They like Portis and Middleton and wouldn’t want any part of Beal. It’s hard to imagine any team willing to take the Beal contract.

[nate33]

Beal is immovable. It's not going to happen. He is the worst contract in the league.

[gambitx777]

Beal is immovable. It's not going to happen. He is the worst contract in the league.

I don't agree with that. If they can do it and get under the second apron which there Re way to do they might see that as an upgrade. Beal has been better than Middleton when they both play.

The plan i laid out is JV and getting them under that second apron. Then they will be huge players in the buy out market and can probably get some upgrades there potentially.

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[pcbothwel]

Beal is immovable. It's not going to happen. He is the worst contract in the league.

Nate..You are missing 2 things.

1) While Beal is the SINGLE worst contract in the league, it may not be the worst in the aggregate. I.e. If Poole even slightly regresses in his shooting, then its hard to argue that Beal < Poole + Kuz for the same money

2) The reported trade with the Bucks would mostly be a lateral move from Middleton => Beal. However, the Bucks would get one of the Suns 1st which would allow them to trade a 1st in another move this year or next.
And as Gambitx said above, they could then be player in the buyout market.

[nate33]

Beal is immovable. It's not going to happen. He is the worst contract in the league.

Nate..You are missing 2 things.

1) While Beal is the SINGLE worst contract in the league, it may not be the worst in the aggregate. I.e. If Poole even slightly regresses in his shooting, then its hard to argue that Beal < Poole + Kuz for the same money

2) The reported trade with the Bucks would mostly be a lateral move from Middleton => Beal. However, the Bucks would get one of the Suns 1st which would allow them to trade a 1st in another move this year or next.
And as Gambitx said above, they could then be player in the buyout market.

I'm telling you, it's not going to happen.

Poole + Kuzma are way better than Beal because they at least will play. Beal misses 30 games a year and that's only going to get worse.

[gambitx777]

Beal is immovable. It's not going to happen. He is the worst contract in the league.

Nate..You are missing 2 things.

1) While Beal is the SINGLE worst contract in the league, it may not be the worst in the aggregate. I.e. If Poole even slightly regresses in his shooting, then its hard to argue that Beal < Poole + Kuz for the same money

2) The reported trade with the Bucks would mostly be a lateral move from Middleton => Beal. However, the Bucks would get one of the Suns 1st which would allow them to trade a 1st in another move this year or next.
And as Gambitx said above, they could then be player in the buyout market.

I'm telling you, it's not going to happen.

Poole + Kuzma are way better than Beal because they at least will play. Beal misses 30 games a year and that's only going to get worse.

While I disagree with the sentiment. This is a very good point. Beaks been missing as many games as Middleton even if he is playing better it doesn't matter if he's not playing.

I can still see the justification from the bucks. It's hard to sell getting under the apron for no reason other than savings.

Like in my situation I posted above turning Middleton/ Lopez/ portis/ pat
Into
Beal/ JV / Davis.

Whole getting well under the second apron and being a player for buy outs when you can easily replace a guy like Pat and you might get lucky and find a back up big or two that might play better D than portis. You kind of come out on top there. Plus his deal lines up with the same contract where you play this year go for it again next and you can pivot and de invest after that if needed.

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[Frichuela]

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[dckingsfan]

With Lively going down in Dallas, I was trying to figure out a trade for one of our Cs - but I don't see anything that would work out. Most of the players that would be part of the trade have more than one year left on their contracts. And I doubt we would see anything but SRP or two coming our way.

[Frichuela]

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[penbeast0]

It looks like the Suns are trading their unprotected 2031 #1 for three late first round picks from Utah. I guess they're going after Jimmy Buckets.

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That is stupid lol

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Don't think of it as trading for Jimmy, think of it as dumping Beal on someone.

[doclinkin]

With Lively going down in Dallas, I was trying to figure out a trade for one of our Cs - but I don't see anything that would work out. Most of the players that would be part of the trade have more than one year left on their contracts. And I doubt we would see anything but SRP or two coming our way.

I think Dallas could use Jonas and Brogdan both. They need PG depth since Kyrie and Dinwitt have been in and out with injury. And both Kyrie and Luka would thrive off Jonas’ picks and screen setting.

I don't see how the money would work out. But Malcolm is a big expiring contract, freeing up room in the offseason for Dallas to make another move. If we sweetened it with one or more of our three 2RPs this year I bet we could take their mid first rounder. Plus future assets.

Work in a 3rd team?

[gambitx777]

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So I've said several times that the wizards in in a special position where they ca really capitalize here. Not other many teams can flip them a cheaper better chenter option than portis. Not many teams can take on pats contract and do both and not care.

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[dckingsfan]

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So I've said several times that the wizards in in a special position where they can really capitalize here. Not other many teams can flip them a cheaper better center option than Portis. Not many teams can take on pats contract and do both and not care.

I think this article shows the hurdles to getting a deal done. And for whatever reason, it seems like the "Butler did it" problem is holding up multiple trades in the NBA.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article297667123.html

[DCZards]

Once the relationship between Butler and Pat “The Don” Riley went from bad to worse it became inevitable that Jimmy will be traded—before the deadline.

Riley is a big “culture” guy and he's not about to let Butler stay around...and keep pissing on his Heat culture.

[Frichuela]

A dark stain on our FO’s track record. It was criminal not to trade this bum last season.

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