Bradley Beal - Part II

[Dark Faze]

Cousins actually was grooving well with Malone before he was in explicitly fired---he's got issues with Karl, yes, but he's gone on record of supporting bringing back Caspi, and isn't really a known lockerroom cancer

[Brapman]

Yes, he is known as a locker room cancer.

And Rasheed was always beloved by his teammates and coaches and respected by opposing players.

I acknowledge that my use of the word "never" was in-apt. I'd amend that to "almost never."

I've long been on record, including pre-draft as being a Boogie detractor. I think he's the most talented center in the league right now, but I think that he'll never be worth it for any team to have him on its roster.

[nate33]

I posted this in the John Wall thread, but it probably belongs here:

I'm starting to think that it's not a coincidence that Wall is playing better with Beal out. When Beal plays, Randy runs too many plays through him, which takes the ball out of the hands of our best player.

Perhaps the experiment with Beal as primary option needs to come to an end. Beal was at his best during the 2nd half of his rookie season when he was mostly just a catch-and-shoot guy who could fill a lane on the fast break and play some D. From January onward in his rookie year, Beal was at his most efficient, with an ORtg of 109, a TS% of .566, and a USG% of 21.5. He hasn't been that good since.

[nuposse04]

I posted this in the John Wall thread, but it probably belongs here:

I'm starting to think that it's not a coincidence that Wall is playing better with Beal out. When Beal plays, Randy runs too many plays through him, which takes the ball out of the hands of our best player.

Perhaps the experiment with Beal as primary option needs to come to an end. Beal was at his best during the 2nd half of his rookie season when he was mostly just a catch-and-shoot guy who could fill a lane on the fast break and play some D. From January onward in his rookie year, Beal was at his most efficient, with an ORtg of 109, a TS% of .566, and a USG% of 21.5. He hasn't been that good since.

I agree with this idea. It should benefit both of em should Beal buy into it... (he should, it should inflate his advanced metrics). If Beal wants to further develop his ability to initiate offense, let him do it when Wall sits. Also, I've noticed this season Beal tends to finish the 1st quarter as oppose to Wall... Last season I thought it was opposite. I'd go back to last season's rotations here and let Beal run the 2nd unit with Nene (if he ever gets healthy), Sessions, Oubre/Anderson and Hump for the 1st 6 mins of the 2nd and 4th quarter.

[Brapman]

Wall is not a good enough shooter to ever be a good team's #1 option.

[nate33]

Wall is not a good enough shooter to ever be a good team's #1 option.

Running the offense through Wall is not the same thing as labeling Wall the #1 option. The point I'm making is that the offense looks better, and Wall looks better, when he has the ball most of the time.

Prior to Beal's injury, the team had an ORtg of 102.9. After his injury, the team's ORtg improved to 108.7 despite incorporating a 4-game west coast trip. And that's with Garrett Temple and his .272 3P% at starting SG. Replace Temple with a catch-and-shoot player who can actually hit the 3-ball and imagine the outcome.

[tontoz]

Wall is not a good enough shooter to ever be a good team's #1 option.

He is easily the number one scoring option on this team. This month he is averaging 24.6 ppg with a TS of 59.6%. Nobody else on the team is capable of that.

[Dark Faze]

I think if Wall wanted to dominate the ball more with Beal in the lineup--he'd have no problem with it. Brad usually ends up creating his own shot when things break down. Its up to Wall to be able to keep up this level of play more than anything to do with coaching.

[SizzlinSimms]

With the way Wall and crew have been playing. I'd like to see Beal come off the bench with the 2nd unit on restricted minutes. And if Wall continues playing this way with Temple, Oubre, etc. I'd like to see Beal to potentially become our 6th man spark, even though I doubt he'd liked that with this being his contract year, but whatever hopefully Wittman does what is best for the team.

[Kanyewest]

I posted this in the John Wall thread, but it probably belongs here:

I'm starting to think that it's not a coincidence that Wall is playing better with Beal out. When Beal plays, Randy runs too many plays through him, which takes the ball out of the hands of our best player.

Perhaps the experiment with Beal as primary option needs to come to an end. Beal was at his best during the 2nd half of his rookie season when he was mostly just a catch-and-shoot guy who could fill a lane on the fast break and play some D. From January onward in his rookie year, Beal was at his most efficient, with an ORtg of 109, a TS% of .566, and a USG% of 21.5. He hasn't been that good since.

It has more to go with Wall getting into shape and improving his decision making. You can't put Walls high turnovers in November on Beal. I still think we are a better team with Beal.

[Kanyewest]

With the way Wall and crew have been playing. I'd like to see Beal come off the bench with the 2nd unit on restricted minutes. And if Wall continues playing this way with Temple, Oubre, etc. I'd like to see Beal to potentially become our 6th man spark, even though I doubt he'd liked that with this being his contract year, but whatever hopefully Wittman does what is best for the team.

It may make sense in the short term if Washington can keep winning with this lineup. Whatever the case is, Beal should be playing less minutes per game - 36 mpg is too much.

[TheSecretWeapon]

I don't like the idea of bringing Beal off the bench because I think it keeps him in a role for which he's not suited: trying to "create" shots. I'd rather start him, keep his minutes at 32-34 per game, and have him be more of a catch-and-shoot player. They've been trying to force-feed him the "take guys off the dribble" stuff for 3+ seasons now. It maybe made some sense at first as a developmental thing, but it's probably time to design a role for him that takes advantage of what he does best while minimizing what he doesn't do well.

[nate33]

I don't like the idea of bringing Beal off the bench because I think it keeps him in a role for which he's not suited: trying to "create" shots. I'd rather start him, keep his minutes at 32-34 per game, and have him be more of a catch-and-shoot player. They've been trying to force-feed him the "take guys off the dribble" stuff for 3+ seasons now. It maybe made some sense at first as a developmental thing, but it's probably time to design a role for him that takes advantage of what he does best while minimizing what he doesn't do well.

As a starter, Temple has averaged 13.3 points, 2.7 boards, and 2.4 assists in 31.8 minutes a game. That's about 15, 3 and 3 per 36. he has done so with an ORtg of 116 and a USG% of 14.5. Presumably, that is unsustainable because he won't continue to shoot .396 from 3P range, but it's still a good example of the type of efficiency I expect out of Beal if he drops his usage rate and tries to stick to catch-and-shoot plus fast breaks.

So far this season, Beal has a USG% of 26.0 and is averaging 19.5 points per 36 with an ORtg of 98. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and disregard his last 3 games when he played hurt. Prior to that, he averaged about 20 points per 36 with an ORtg of 102 and a USG of 25.

I'd like to see Beal drop his usage down to about 20. As we have seen with Temple, when the usage from the starting SG drops, it looks like the slack gets picked up by Gortat, which is a good thing. Gortat seems capable of maintaining his efficiency with a higher usage rate. If Beal gets his USG down to 20 and his ORtg up to 110 or so, he could probably average about 15-16 points per 36 minutes. I'd much rather have our SG score 16 points with an ORtg of 110, than 20 points with an ORtg of 102.

[Kanyewest]

I don't like the idea of bringing Beal off the bench because I think it keeps him in a role for which he's not suited: trying to "create" shots. I'd rather start him, keep his minutes at 32-34 per game, and have him be more of a catch-and-shoot player. They've been trying to force-feed him the "take guys off the dribble" stuff for 3+ seasons now. It maybe made some sense at first as a developmental thing, but it's probably time to design a role for him that takes advantage of what he does best while minimizing what he doesn't do well.

If you end up playing Beal with Wall, Beal will often match Wall midrange shot for midrange shot anyways. If you want a catch and shoot guy, just play guys like Oubre/Porter/Neal more with Wall until Beal improves his habits. I believe it will help Beal commit less mental mistakes since a lot of his turnovers are from careless play that could be due to fatigue. If you bring Beal off the bench, it also protects him from getting overyplayed by Wittman, Beal could easily still find himself playing 30 to 32 minutes per game if he came off the bench.

[dckingsfan]

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Season   Age    TS%   ORB%   DRB%   TRB%   AST%   STL%   BLK%   TOV%   USG%   WS/48
Kelly Oube                                 
2015-16   20   .544   3.0    18.2   10.5    4.7    0.8   0.6    9.1    16.6    .065
Otto Porter                                 
2013-14   20   .405   7.5    13.3   10.4    4.6    1.3   0.3   12.7    15.6   -.006
2014-15   21   .523   5.6    11.6    8.7    6.8    1.6   1.7   10.9    15.1    .092
2015-16   22   .536   4.9    14.8    9.7   10.2    2.2   0.8    9.9    17.4    .093
Bradley Beal                                 
2012-13   19   .515   2.7    10.8    6.7   13.7    1.5   1.3   10.6    22.2    .082
2013-14   20   .507   2.4    10.2    6.3   16.0    1.4   0.6    9.4    24.3    .076
2014-15   21   .521   3.1     9.6    6.4   15.0    1.8   0.7   11.7    22.5    .085
2015-16   22   .533   2.8    11.9    7.3   15.3    1.5   0.8   13.9    26.0    .037


[Higga]

Is he ever going to play again?

Guy is just bleeding cash at this point for every game he misses.

[sashae]

I imagine 2-3 more weeks.

[Mickstix]

Is he ever going to play again?

"Beal (leg) is hopeful to return to the court either Friday against the Pacers or Saturday versus the Celtics", Jorge Castillo of the Washington Post reports.

Beal traveled with the Wizards on their two-game road trip that wrapped up Monday in Chicago, and could be cleared to resume full-contact work during the team's practice back in Washington on Tuesday.

Be interesting to see if he's actually cleared for team practice today..

[queridiculo]

Is he ever going to play again?

Guy is just bleeding cash at this point for every game he misses.

Beal could probably miss the rest of the season and still get near max money.

Too much money out there and very little in the way of talent.

[AFM]

Lakers offering $25M+ a year for Derozan. Anyone still think Beal won't be getting a max deal?
He'll get the full max from DC.