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Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1901 » by verbal8 » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:08 am

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LyricalRico wrote:Saw that the Rockets are potentially interested in Jose Calderon. Terry for Calderon straight up works salary-wise, but it eats into Houston's future cap space. Is the upgrade at PG worth it for them?

And if that were to happen, I'm sure Jet would want a buyout. Any interest?

Another ancient guy on his last legs.. just what we need ?


This would be an interesting option:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... pon-Buyout

But apparently the Wizard's aren't interested:
http://wizofawes.com/2015/01/15/washing ... ba-rumors/
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1902 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:49 am

If they're not interested in Nate Robinson they're IMO dumb.

I hope they don't discount Jordan Farmar for Ray Allen. QUICKNESS and BALLHANDLING and DEFENSE are needed.

Not another spot up shooter!
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1903 » by Kanyewest » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:05 am

Nate Robinson has been putting up Eric Maynor lite numbers this season.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1904 » by LyricalRico » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:15 am

If Brook Lopez ends up in OKC for a package of Perkins+Lamb, then the Thunder would have given up two more of the assets they got in the Harden trade: Lamb and 2015-16 luxtax flexibility. Wave goodbye to Reggie Jackson everyone!

So other than the (obviously great) run of Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka picks several years ago...what else has Presti done? He hasn't been able to put the team over the top and because of that is in danger of losing his best player in the next 18 months. And if that happens, will anyone even remember these Thunder teams? Will they keep talking about them as the "template" for success?
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Re: Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1905 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:16 am

Kanyewest wrote:Nate Robinson has been putting up Eric Maynor lite numbers this season.


Check out the game logs over his last 5 games.

Look at his career production next.

Then ask yourself if he is anything like Eric Maynor.
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Re: Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1906 » by Kanyewest » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:23 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Nate Robinson has been putting up Eric Maynor lite numbers this season.


Check out the game logs over his last 5 games.

Look at his career production next.

Then ask yourself if he is anything like Eric Maynor.



His 5 games splits are good. His 10 game averages are not that great though. The big similarity- both have had ACL surgeries.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1907 » by LyricalRico » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:51 pm

Wow, now its just looking like Perkins and filler for Lopez. I wonder if another team offers more.
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Post#1908 » by fishercob » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:55 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Wow, now its just looking like Perkins and filler for Lopez. I wonder if another team offers more.


Massive gamble for OKC given Lopez's fragility and salary.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1909 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:17 pm

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LyricalRico wrote:Wow, now its just looking like Perkins and filler for Lopez. I wonder if another team offers more.


Massive gamble for OKC given Lopez's fragility and salary.


Salary cap wise but not the talent they are giving up, right? And if they still have Adams and Ibaka start then they have a second unit of Lopez and Collison. Or they could switch it up and have Lopez and Ibaka and Adams and Collison.

IF he stays healthy - really good move. If not - they weren't going to get there with Perkins.

At least that is my thinking...
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1910 » by tontoz » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:17 pm

fishercob wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:Wow, now its just looking like Perkins and filler for Lopez. I wonder if another team offers more.


Massive gamble for OKC given Lopez's fragility and salary.



Trading Perkins a gamble? A box of Krispy Kremes is more valuable than Perkins.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1911 » by fishercob » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:30 pm

tontoz wrote:
fishercob wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:Wow, now its just looking like Perkins and filler for Lopez. I wonder if another team offers more.


Massive gamble for OKC given Lopez's fragility and salary.



Trading Perkins a gamble? A box of Krispy Kremes is more valuable than Perkins.


From a pure talent standpoint, it's great. But from an asset management (let's see who else they give up) and financially, it paints OKC into a corner.

They'll be at like $85M in salary without Reggie Jackson. I can't see them keeping him.

Unless they know something about cap smoothing for next year and everything fits.

Still, risky to me given that BroLo has missed basically two of the last 4 full seasons.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1912 » by tontoz » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:42 pm

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tontoz wrote:
fishercob wrote:
Massive gamble for OKC given Lopez's fragility and salary.



Trading Perkins a gamble? A box of Krispy Kremes is more valuable than Perkins.


From a pure talent standpoint, it's great. But from an asset management (let's see who else they give up) and financially, it paints OKC into a corner.

They'll be at like $85M in salary without Reggie Jackson. I can't see them keeping him.

Unless they know something about cap smoothing for next year and everything fits.

Still, risky to me given that BroLo has missed basically two of the last 4 full seasons.



They aren't keeping Jackson no matter what they do. That is a given.

They lack low post scoring and that has killed them in the playoffs time and again. If the goal is to win a title then this is an easy move to make.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1913 » by LyricalRico » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:13 pm

LOL @ Philly. MCW has regressed this year, and now Embiid is doing a Hot Plate Williams impression. Plus their duplicity with Kirilenko is turning other players off.

Rebuilding by deliberate longterm losing just isn't good for a franchise IMO.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1914 » by nate33 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:51 pm

LyricalRico wrote:LOL @ Philly. MCW has regressed this year, and now Embiid is doing a Hot Plate Williams impression. Plus their duplicity with Kirilenko is turning other players off.

Rebuilding by deliberate longterm losing just isn't good for a franchise IMO.

Agreed. I think you can intentionally tank for a year and get away with it, but after that, you need to at least look like you're trying. I liked what Philly did last year. They traded Jrue away for a high pick, and drafted MCW and Noel. They then intentionally tanked. That's fine. One year is forgivable. It worked out because they got the #1 pick and landed Embiid.

At that point, they should have concluded that the core talent base was sufficient, and now it's time to start building a winning mindset. They should have tried to acquire a couple of good veteran mentors, typically overpaid guys on teams looking to shed salary. Guys like David Lee, Jeff Green, Afflalo, Wilson Chandler, etc. Maybe the could have opened up the pocketbook for a younger free agent like Bledsoe or Hayward, but they probably wouldn't have landed them. Still, it shows the right mindset. Even with a few decent vets, they would still only be a 30-win team and finish with a top 8 pick. They could then pick up one more young core player - probably a guard. Then in 2016, when their veteran mentors come off their contracts, they look to add a superstar free agent to a developing core of Noel, Embiid, MCW, 2015 pick and 2016 pick.

I actually think the Wizards in the Ted era are a decent example of the proper blueprint. The only major thing the Wizards did wrong in the Ted era was to draft Porter for a team that had no good developing big men. Noel should have been the choice. (One can argue whether it made sense to trade Lewis for Okafor and Ariza when a plausible alternative was to buy out Lewis and then trade cap room for Ryan Anderson who at least would have been around for the long haul.)
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1915 » by gambitx777 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:51 pm

tontoz wrote:
fishercob wrote:
tontoz wrote:

Trading Perkins a gamble? A box of Krispy Kremes is more valuable than Perkins.


From a pure talent standpoint, it's great. But from an asset management (let's see who else they give up) and financially, it paints OKC into a corner.

They'll be at like $85M in salary without Reggie Jackson. I can't see them keeping him.

Unless they know something about cap smoothing for next year and everything fits.

Still, risky to me given that BroLo has missed basically two of the last 4 full seasons.



They aren't keeping Jackson no matter what they do. That is a given.

They lack low post scoring and that has killed them in the playoffs time and again. If the goal is to win a title then this is an easy move to make.

They need to trade Jackson now, they have Semaj Christon that they can bring up from the D league, I really think they need to call the T wolves for pek,
do Perkins, Jackson, McGary/or/Jones for Pek and Williams
This is perfect for both teams, the wolves get two young players, that upgrade positions of need and they save a crap tone of money by dumping pek who is not needed on the team. The thunder get the big then need and they get a cheep PG to hold down the spot while they bring up Christon so he can get used to the team for next season. Plus adding Williams avoids the need for picks to be put into play.

LyricalRico wrote:LOL @ Philly. MCW has regressed this year, and now Embiid is doing a Hot Plate Williams impression. Plus their duplicity with Kirilenko is turning other players off.

Rebuilding by deliberate longterm losing just isn't good for a franchise IMO.


Can we all say Eddy Curry 2.0 lol.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1916 » by closg00 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:42 pm

Heat trying to keep center Hassan Whiteside's ego under control

"It's not about all that right now," Spoelstra told The Miami Herald. "I know everybody is getting caught up in that, but when I met with him it was about the commitment to work, the commitment to the player development. After a very good road trip, he came in [Sunday], did an hour and half of player development. He is just responding to all of the work. That's what's encouraging."

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantas ... er-control

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1917 » by pcbothwel » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:43 pm

RE: Sanders Buy-out
I mentioned this in the News Feed... Thoughts

I dont see how they couldn't dump him on a team like the Kings for D. Williams and J. Thompson. The Kings need to take a shot and this could be it.
Hell, Id offer Thompson and Landry (Owed 35M over next 3 years if you waive Thompson before 2016) for Sanders (44M over next 4 years). Cant see the Bucks declining as they save money and could probably save more by trading one or both the next year.
Kings go for it with the following lineup and 13M+ in capspace this offseason to go after maybe Dragic and Ed Davis (MLE):

Dragic / Collison
McLemore / Stauskas
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Cousins/ Davis
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1918 » by queridiculo » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:12 pm

$44 million over 4 years isn't exactly chump change, and it's not like Sanders has shown anything over the past year and half that would suggest that he's on the way to justify his contract numbers.

Sanders is a great risk to take if somebody else is footing the bill (buyout/amnesty), but at the full price and in exchange for "assets" I'd pass, pass, pass.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1919 » by pcbothwel » Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:01 pm

queridiculo wrote:$44 million over 4 years isn't exactly chump change, and it's not like Sanders has shown anything over the past year and half that would suggest that he's on the way to justify his contract numbers.

Sanders is a great risk to take if somebody else is footing the bill (buyout/amnesty), but at the full price and in exchange for "assets" I'd pass, pass, pass.


Landry & Thompson make 12.5M this year, 13M next year, and 13.5M in 16/17(9M if Thompson is waived). So the Kings, at worst would be saving 1.5M this year, 2M next year and paying 2M extra in 16/17. The only financial risk is his last year of 11M.
Personally, I would make the offer to the Bucks and see if you can get a future 1st as well. Make Sanders take time off and finsh top 10 in the draft so they dont lose the pick. If you add a Hezonja/Winslow to the roster I mentioned above, you have a chance to compete with prime Boogie
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4 

Post#1920 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:57 pm

Look at the pistons, they ate the josh smith money, and it helped them, the bucks might do that with sanders, I think the bucks would rather just eat than taking players they might not want or need. I have always been an advocate of admitting mistakes, fixing them and moving on. I see the bucks cutting him a check and telling him to have a nice life.

If they do and he get's flat out cut or bought out and hits the open market. I hope the Wiz take a look at him at a cheap price. Sanders on a 1 or 2 mill deal for the rest of the season would be an amazing upgrade over kevin. Plus we have decent leadership here, could be a decent place for him. But I would never take him in a trade, not with that contract.

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