Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII

[tontoz]

How could the Celtics make a max offer to Hayward if they don't already have max cap space?

[Benjammin]

How could the Celtics make a max offer to Hayward if they don't already have max cap space?

Because nothing has officially happened yet.

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If we can secure a S&T of bogz to any where and turn a second and or Aaron white into crowder, that would be a massive steal.

There is no motivation whatsoever for the Celtics to trade to the Wiz anyone of value. They will have plenty of other options.

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As desperate as they are and teams knowing they have so many assets and knowing that they are over a barrel if they don't more those deals. we might be one of the few teams, offering any kind of assets in return instead of asking for one to take the contracts.

Desperate? Over a barrel? Huh?

If they pick up the 2 young players' options, they'll have 9 guys at $65m. Add the 2 rookie contracts, & it's 11 at $70m. They also have a couple of promising guys from prior drafts on their SL team: Zizic & Abdel Nader (picked last year #53: I have mentioned him here a few times). Yabuschele doesn't seem to be there, but he too is waiting in the wings.

Then there's the future assets -- including what they picked up trading their overall #1 to Philly. In short, the Celtics are so stacked it's kind of unbelievable!

But, they do need to shed 1 of 3 contracts: Crowder, Bradley or Smart. Those are all valuable assets, & a number of teams will want 1 of them. Which means that competition will push the price up to market value. Duh. No problem. Since they won't be taking back salary, they'll be taking back picks -- so they'll be even more stacked!

As far as our trading with them -- one thing you can be completely sure of: Ernie Grunfield won't be trading for Jae Crowder. Doing that would point to the fact that he passed over Crowder to take Satoransky! Ernie does not call attention to his own mistakes. Never.

[NatP4]

There is no motivation whatsoever for the Celtics to trade to the Wiz anyone of value. They will have plenty of other options.

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As desperate as they are and teams knowing they have so many assets and knowing that they are over a barrel if they don't more those deals. we might be one of the few teams, offering any kind of assets in return instead of asking for one to take the contracts.

Desperate? Over a barrel? Huh?

If they pick up the 2 young players' options, they'll have 9 guys at $65m. Add the 2 rookie contracts, & it's 11 at $70m. They also have a couple of promising guys from prior drafts on their SL team: Zizic & Abdel Nader (picked last year #53: I have mentioned him here a few times). Yabuschele doesn't seem to be there, but he too is waiting in the wings.

Then there's the future assets -- including what they picked up trading their overall #1 to Philly. In short, the Celtics are so stacked it's kind of unbelievable!

But, they do need to shed 1 of 3 contracts: Crowder, Bradley or Smart. Those are all valuable assets, & a number of teams will want 1 of them. Which means that competition will push the price up to market value. Duh. No problem. Since they won't be taking back salary, they'll be taking back picks -- so they'll be even more stacked!

As far as our trading with them -- one thing you can be completely sure of: Ernie Grunfield won't be trading for Jae Crowder. Doing that would point to the fact that he passed over Crowder to take Satoransky! Ernie does not call attention to his own mistakes. Never.

Also had to renounce Demetrius Jackson (who was a 2nd round pick) and Kelly Olynyk, seems like a nice waste of assets, but you don't mention that PIF

[Benjammin]

Also had to renounce Demetrius Jackson (who was a 2nd round pick) and Kelly Olynyk, seems like a nice waste of assets, but you don't mention that PIF

Given the number of assets they have, I don't think that's too terrible to get Gordon Hayward. We often hear about "generational wealth", but handled correctly the Celtics may be able to have "generational assets" over a number of years. But it will be tricky and the challenge will be when to know when to push their chips to the center of the table for the right player or move.

[gambitx777]

There is no motivation whatsoever for the Celtics to trade to the Wiz anyone of value. They will have plenty of other options.

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As desperate as they are and teams knowing they have so many assets and knowing that they are over a barrel if they don't more those deals. we might be one of the few teams, offering any kind of assets in return instead of asking for one to take the contracts.

Desperate? Over a barrel? Huh?

If they pick up the 2 young players' options, they'll have 9 guys at $65m. Add the 2 rookie contracts, & it's 11 at $70m. They also have a couple of promising guys from prior drafts on their SL team: Zizic & Abdel Nader (picked last year #53: I have mentioned him here a few times). Yabuschele doesn't seem to be there, but he too is waiting in the wings.

Then there's the future assets -- including what they picked up trading their overall #1 to Philly. In short, the Celtics are so stacked it's kind of unbelievable!

But, they do need to shed 1 of 3 contracts: Crowder, Bradley or Smart. Those are all valuable assets, & a number of teams will want 1 of them. Which means that competition will push the price up to market value. Duh. No problem. Since they won't be taking back salary, they'll be taking back picks -- so they'll be even more stacked!

As far as our trading with them -- one thing you can be completely sure of: Ernie Grunfield won't be trading for Jae Crowder. Doing that would point to the fact that he passed over Crowder to take Satoransky! Ernie does not call attention to his own mistakes. Never.

They need to shed salary or they can't afford the contract gordon hayword just signed. If my numbers are right they need two more two or all three of those guys. If teams decide no to cooperate with them, they could be in a pinch, because its already been astablished that when dealing with the celtics teams ask for too much because of the depth of their assets. Its a possible turn it could take, not super likely but possible.

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As desperate as they are and teams knowing they have so many assets and knowing that they are over a barrel if they don't more those deals. we might be one of the few teams, offering any kind of assets in return instead of asking for one to take the contracts.

Desperate? Over a barrel? Huh?

If they pick up the 2 young players' options, they'll have 9 guys at $65m. Add the 2 rookie contracts, & it's 11 at $70m. They also have a couple of promising guys from prior drafts on their SL team: Zizic & Abdel Nader (picked last year #53: I have mentioned him here a few times). Yabuschele doesn't seem to be there, but he too is waiting in the wings.

Then there's the future assets -- including what they picked up trading their overall #1 to Philly. In short, the Celtics are so stacked it's kind of unbelievable!

But, they do need to shed 1 of 3 contracts: Crowder, Bradley or Smart. Those are all valuable assets, & a number of teams will want 1 of them. Which means that competition will push the price up to market value. Duh. No problem. Since they won't be taking back salary, they'll be taking back picks -- so they'll be even more stacked!

As far as our trading with them -- one thing you can be completely sure of: Ernie Grunfield won't be trading for Jae Crowder. Doing that would point to the fact that he passed over Crowder to take Satoransky! Ernie does not call attention to his own mistakes. Never.

Also had to renounce Demetrius Jackson (who was a 2nd round pick) and Kelly Olynyk, seems like a nice waste of assets, but you don't mention that PIF

Renouncing Jackson is no biggie -- lets see if someone picks him up. Olynyk is interesting. He's a below-average NBA player but kind of ok as a backup Center.

They didn't have to renounce him to make the offer to Hayward. They had a few days until the end of the moratorium. I assume they spent some time looking for a team interested in him & didn't find anyone.

I'm still not sure what point you're making, Nat. I'm pretty sure Celtics fans are absolutely ecstatic over the way the Summer's gone so far. You're not really doubting that, are you?

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As desperate as they are and teams knowing they have so many assets and knowing that they are over a barrel if they don't more those deals. we might be one of the few teams, offering any kind of assets in return instead of asking for one to take the contracts.

Desperate? Over a barrel? Huh?

If they pick up the 2 young players' options, they'll have 9 guys at $65m. Add the 2 rookie contracts, & it's 11 at $70m. They also have a couple of promising guys from prior drafts on their SL team: Zizic & Abdel Nader (picked last year #53: I have mentioned him here a few times). Yabuschele doesn't seem to be there, but he too is waiting in the wings.

Then there's the future assets -- including what they picked up trading their overall #1 to Philly. In short, the Celtics are so stacked it's kind of unbelievable!

But, they do need to shed 1 of 3 contracts: Crowder, Bradley or Smart. Those are all valuable assets, & a number of teams will want 1 of them. Which means that competition will push the price up to market value. Duh. No problem. Since they won't be taking back salary, they'll be taking back picks -- so they'll be even more stacked!

As far as our trading with them -- one thing you can be completely sure of: Ernie Grunfield won't be trading for Jae Crowder. Doing that would point to the fact that he passed over Crowder to take Satoransky! Ernie does not call attention to his own mistakes. Never.

They need to shed salary or they can't afford the contract gordon hayword just signed. If my numbers are right they need two more two or all three of those guys. If teams decide no to cooperate with them, they could be in a pinch, because its already been astablished that when dealing with the celtics teams ask for too much because of the depth of their assets. Its a possible turn it could take, not super likely but possible.

Who got too much out of the Celtics in a deal recently, gambit? The Sixers? No. Tatum was the guy they wanted. They got him and much more.

It really takes an attempt to warp the situation to imagine the Celtics as having a "problem." They just got a tremendous player as a FA. They just got a terrific young player @#3. They just got an outstanding prospect @#37. They just got an extra R1 pick, likely quite a high one. Oh, and all that after coming in #1 in the East & going to the ECF.

Tragic.

[gambitx777]

Desperate? Over a barrel? Huh?

If they pick up the 2 young players' options, they'll have 9 guys at $65m. Add the 2 rookie contracts, & it's 11 at $70m. They also have a couple of promising guys from prior drafts on their SL team: Zizic & Abdel Nader (picked last year #53: I have mentioned him here a few times). Yabuschele doesn't seem to be there, but he too is waiting in the wings.

Then there's the future assets -- including what they picked up trading their overall #1 to Philly. In short, the Celtics are so stacked it's kind of unbelievable!

But, they do need to shed 1 of 3 contracts: Crowder, Bradley or Smart. Those are all valuable assets, & a number of teams will want 1 of them. Which means that competition will push the price up to market value. Duh. No problem. Since they won't be taking back salary, they'll be taking back picks -- so they'll be even more stacked!

As far as our trading with them -- one thing you can be completely sure of: Ernie Grunfield won't be trading for Jae Crowder. Doing that would point to the fact that he passed over Crowder to take Satoransky! Ernie does not call attention to his own mistakes. Never.

They need to shed salary or they can't afford the contract gordon hayword just signed. If my numbers are right they need two more two or all three of those guys. If teams decide no to cooperate with them, they could be in a pinch, because its already been astablished that when dealing with the celtics teams ask for too much because of the depth of their assets. Its a possible turn it could take, not super likely but possible.

Who got too much out of the Celtics in a deal recently, gambit? The Sixers? No. Tatum was the guy they wanted. They got him and much more.

It really takes an attempt to warp the situation to imagine the Celtics as having a "problem." They just got a tremendous player as a FA. They just got a terrific young player @#3. They just got an outstanding prospect @#37. They just got an extra R1 pick, likely quite a high one. Oh, and all that after coming in #1 in the East & going to the ECF.

Tragic.

Yeah how many people did they miss out on because the other team asked for too much asset wise? PG and Jimmy buttler. All because they have those assets. Boston had the leverage, they don't have much leverage considering they need to move contracts off the books, and Danny won't make a bad deal, so they might get held up.

[tontoz]

I don't think the Celtics really missed out on PG since he is probably going to the Lakers in a year anyway. But I am surprised they didn't make more of an effort to get Butler.

[gambitx777]

I don't think the Celtics really missed out on PG since he is probably going to the Lakers in a year anyway. But I am surprised they didn't make more of an effort to get Butler.

But thats the thing, they demanded 2 high firsts and 2 starters. Way to much for a rental but they demanded that from the celtics because teams know they have it. They wouldn't demand that from other teams because they know most other teams don't have that kind of war chest. its going to keep happening. until boston uses its assets.

[mhd]

Wiz interested in Crawford?

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[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Wiz interested in Crawford?

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Given we have no one on the 2nd unit who can get his own shot and a non penetrating point guard, we could do worse.

Though I'd pay up for Avery Bradley... less of a scorer but a good all around player who is a lock down defender.

[Dat2U]

Wiz interested in Crawford?

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Given we have no one on the 2nd unit who can get his own shot and a non penetrating point guard, we could do worse.

Though I'd pay up for Avery Bradley... less of a scorer but a good all around player who is a lock down defender.

With regards to Crawford, we could do worse, but not much worse.

When I think of a 37-yr old Crawford, I think of someone who is slightly better than Marcus Thornton or a better teammate than Gary Neal.

So yes, we could do worse.

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I don't think the Celtics really missed out on PG since he is probably going to the Lakers in a year anyway. But I am surprised they didn't make more of an effort to get Butler.

Perhaps b/c they were confident that they were getting Gordon Hayward & didn't feel in a position to acquire both of them (who would?) -- or to afford them both long-term might be a better way to say it.

That said, I'd rather have Butler than Hayward.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Wiz interested in Crawford?

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Given we have no one on the 2nd unit who can get his own shot and a non penetrating point guard, we could do worse.

Though I'd pay up for Avery Bradley... less of a scorer but a good all around player who is a lock down defender.

With regards to Crawford, we could do worse, but not much worse.

When I think of a 37-yr old Crawford, I think of someone who is slightly better than Marcus Thornton or a better teammate than Gary Neal.

So yes, we could do worse.

Yeah, I can't say I've watched him play much the past couple of years. Has his game fallen off of a cliff?

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Wiz interested in Crawford?

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Given we have no one on the 2nd unit who can get his own shot and a non penetrating point guard, we could do worse.

Though I'd pay up for Avery Bradley... less of a scorer but a good all around player who is a lock down defender.

With regards to Crawford, we could do worse, but not much worse.

When I think of a 37-yr old Crawford, I think of someone who is slightly better than Marcus Thornton or a better teammate than Gary Neal.

So yes, we could do worse.

With you on this one. No Jamal Crawford, please. Not sure at this point that he actually is better than Thornton.

[pcbothwel]

Given we have no one on the 2nd unit who can get his own shot and a non penetrating point guard, we could do worse.

Though I'd pay up for Avery Bradley... less of a scorer but a good all around player who is a lock down defender.

With regards to Crawford, we could do worse, but not much worse.

When I think of a 37-yr old Crawford, I think of someone who is slightly better than Marcus Thornton or a better teammate than Gary Neal.

So yes, we could do worse.

With you on this one. No Jamal Crawford, please. Not sure at this point that he actually is better than Thornton.

Jamal Crawford has been unplayable the last two years. Out of 99 SG's last year, he was ranked 98 in DRPM. Ahead of the one and only Bogs. Oh, and he would be 38 by playoff time... No thanks

Keene would be the exact same type of player for us, only better.

[gambitx777]

At least Kenne can play the point! hell I would much rather not waste spot on jamal crawford. barring any trades I would much rather not add anyone other than summer league guys. Which barring any surprises should be. Robinson and Keenne / maybe Humphries if we decide to cut ochifu.

[tontoz]

Crawford was the Hawks 6th man when i was following them. Strange player. Great at highlight plays and the GOAT at 4 point plays, by far. He can rise up quickly and make 3s with someone right in his face.

But his self preservation mindset was hard to watch. The next loose ball he goes for will be the first. Defensively he was a total sieve, allergic to contact. Lousy rebounder, especially given his length.

At this point i'd rather take my chances with Mac.