Otto Porter

[gambitx777]

Wittman wants to make players play his game instead of figuring out what works for his players. He is not a good HC. Otto is a great young talent. He has potentail as a shooter, he has the tools for D, and he already does a lot of things well. The good thing about porter is that he can also work in the post, which is a good check to small ball line ups or other line ups with out a competent rim protector or shot blocker.

[Kanyewest]

I think if Wittman chooses to not play Porter again, that would be one thing. But Porter was shooting around 28% from in the months of February and March prior to his breakout game in Houston and was regularly making Shaqtin a fool for his bad errors so I understand why he was seeing limited minutes.

I think the benching and lack of playing time has made Porter more aggressive and he probably had time to work on his 3 point shot during the days off. As Gortat as said, Porter has been putting in the work and I'm glad he's getting rewarded by his recent play.

I'll be interested to see what Porter can do against better competition tonight. The 76ers and Knicks are playing bad ball while the Grizzlies are 6-4 in their last 10 games. Still, I saw Porter be active by getting rebounds and steals. He's also looking to try to score by pressuring the defense when he has the ball - and he wisely passes it out when he doesn't have looks. He's also been running around a lot- his off the ball movement has been often creating good looks for himself or has helped create spacing for his teammates. Tonight's game against the Grizzlies should be an interesting test as they are one of the top defensive teams.

As for who starts between Porter and Pierce debate, I still think Porter has to be more consistent - a good game against the Grizzlies would go a long way for him earning more minutes.

[Induveca]

Rooting for Porter tonight. The Knicks/Sixere games, despite the poor competition......he looked really dialed in. Obviously the Grizzlies are another matter.

Hope he proves me wrong. I need a 10 game stretch of these kind of aggressive/no boneheaded play games then I'll be a very happy fan.

[DCZards]

I think if Wittman chooses to not play Porter again, that would be one thing. But Porter was shooting around 28% from in the months of February and March prior to his breakout game in Houston and was regularly making Shaqtin a fool for his bad errors so I understand why he was seeing limited minutes.

I think the benching and lack of playing time has made Porter more aggressive and he probably had time to work on his 3 point shot during the days off. As Gortat as said, Porter has been putting in the work and I'm glad he's getting rewarded by his recent play.

I'll be interested to see what Porter can do against better competition tonight. The 76ers and Knicks are playing bad ball while the Grizzlies are 6-4 in their last 10 games. Still, I saw Porter be active by getting rebounds and steals. He's also looking to try to score by pressuring the defense when he has the ball - and he wisely passes it out when he doesn't have looks. He's also been running around a lot- his off the ball movement has been often creating good looks for himself or has helped create spacing for his teammates. Tonight's game against the Grizzlies should be an interesting test as they are one of the top defensive teams.

As for who starts between Porter and Pierce debate, I still think Porter has to be more consistent - a good game against the Grizzlies would go a long way for him earning more minutes.

I could agree with Porter seeing limited minutes when he wasn't playing well in Feb. and March if the Zards had better alternatives. But Butler's shooting had fallen off a cliff and Webster has been stinkin' up the place ever since he returned from injury. So why give them minutes over a young player you need to develop for the future? There were some games where Porter didn't play at all. That made no sense at all, imo.

Porter is capable of contributing in a number of ways beyond scoring the ball. As you point out, he's active on the boards, he's a good defender, he moves well without the ball and he's a smart passer. Those are things he's always done well...even when his shot wasn't falling or he wasn't being aggressive enough on offense.

Play the kid...and live with the ups-and-downs of his offense and his occasional Shaqtin a fool moments. The Zards--and Porter--would have been much better off at this point in the season if they had taken that approach.

[keynote]

Great game from Porter vs. MEM tonight. The jumper is falling (which seems to be 90% of what Wittman seems to care about), but he also displayed the rest of his game: finishing on the break, disrupting passing lanes, getting timely rebounds, etc.

He still gets pushed around way too easily, and getting to duck Jeff Green in the second half helped matters. Still: another good game for him, and another step forward.

[Kanyewest]

I think if Wittman chooses to not play Porter again, that would be one thing. But Porter was shooting around 28% from in the months of February and March prior to his breakout game in Houston and was regularly making Shaqtin a fool for his bad errors so I understand why he was seeing limited minutes.

I think the benching and lack of playing time has made Porter more aggressive and he probably had time to work on his 3 point shot during the days off. As Gortat as said, Porter has been putting in the work and I'm glad he's getting rewarded by his recent play.

I'll be interested to see what Porter can do against better competition tonight. The 76ers and Knicks are playing bad ball while the Grizzlies are 6-4 in their last 10 games. Still, I saw Porter be active by getting rebounds and steals. He's also looking to try to score by pressuring the defense when he has the ball - and he wisely passes it out when he doesn't have looks. He's also been running around a lot- his off the ball movement has been often creating good looks for himself or has helped create spacing for his teammates. Tonight's game against the Grizzlies should be an interesting test as they are one of the top defensive teams.

As for who starts between Porter and Pierce debate, I still think Porter has to be more consistent - a good game against the Grizzlies would go a long way for him earning more minutes.

I could agree with Porter seeing limited minutes when he wasn't playing well in Feb. and March if the Zards had better alternatives. But Butler's shooting had fallen off a cliff and Webster has been stinkin' up the place ever since he returned from injury. So why give them minutes over a young player you need to develop for the future? There were some games where Porter didn't play at all. That made no sense at all, imo.

Porter is capable of contributing in a number of ways beyond scoring the ball. As you point out, he's active on the boards, he's a good defender, he moves well without the ball and he's a smart passer. Those are things he's always done well...even when his shot wasn't falling or he wasn't being aggressive enough on offense.

Play the kid...and live with the ups-and-downs of his offense and his occasional Shaqtin a fool moments. The Zards--and Porter--would have been much better off at this point in the season if they had taken that approach.

It seems he's developed nicely into a good glue player so I can't really argue with the results. You could be right though that he could have come to become a better player with more consistent playing time. Still, I don't think it was necessarily such a bad thing that he was on the bench given; he probably got a bit of a rest during the long grind of the NBA season. That being said, I would hope he becomes a regular part of the rotation down the stretch not only because of his development but he appears to give the Wizards the best chance to win.

[Illmatic12]

I think if Wittman chooses to not play Porter again, that would be one thing. But Porter was shooting around 28% from in the months of February and March prior to his breakout game in Houston and was regularly making Shaqtin a fool for his bad errors so I understand why he was seeing limited minutes.

I think the benching and lack of playing time has made Porter more aggressive and he probably had time to work on his 3 point shot during the days off. As Gortat as said, Porter has been putting in the work and I'm glad he's getting rewarded by his recent play.

I'll be interested to see what Porter can do against better competition tonight. The 76ers and Knicks are playing bad ball while the Grizzlies are 6-4 in their last 10 games. Still, I saw Porter be active by getting rebounds and steals. He's also looking to try to score by pressuring the defense when he has the ball - and he wisely passes it out when he doesn't have looks. He's also been running around a lot- his off the ball movement has been often creating good looks for himself or has helped create spacing for his teammates. Tonight's game against the Grizzlies should be an interesting test as they are one of the top defensive teams.

As for who starts between Porter and Pierce debate, I still think Porter has to be more consistent - a good game against the Grizzlies would go a long way for him earning more minutes.

Porter had a great game vs Houston, who is the #2 seed in the West. He's played well against almost any team when given minutes, his game is consistent.

[Kanyewest]

Porter had a great game vs Houston, who is the #2 seed in the West. He's played well against almost any team when given minutes, his game is consistent.

In the last 4 games Porter has played well.

Still, in the beginning of March when Porter got benched he struggled. If you take the first 6 games of the month, Porter averaged

22 minutes per game, shot only 34% from the field, 21% from 3 point range, averaging 3.5 rebounds per game, and got to the line .8 times per game.

Over the last 4 games though (rough estimate)

30 minutes per game, Porter is shooting over 50% from the field and 3 point range, averaging 7 rebounds per game, and got to the line over 3 times per game.

[Wizardspride]

http://www.bulletsfo...l-Randy-Wittman


In Otto's 12 starts this season, he has averaged 14.3 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 1.8 steals per 36 minutes. That is a noticeable uptick in his typical production. These numbers are also comparable to what Pierce has been able to produce this season (16.6, 5.4, and 0.8 per 36 respectively).

[BigA]

http://www.bulletsfo...l-Randy-Wittman


In Otto's 12 starts this season, he has averaged 14.3 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 1.8 steals per 36 minutes. That is a noticeable uptick in his typical production. These numbers are also comparable to what Pierce has been able to produce this season (16.6, 5.4, and 0.8 per 36 respectively).

See nate33's point in one of the other threads about Porter playing much better when he's playing with Wall.

[tontoz]

I am more concerned about Porter's defense. Offensively i think he will be fine. Before the draft i was worried about his jumper but that looks to be a strength to me. He has a quick release and can shoot on the move. His BBall IQ and off the ball movement will get him some easy looks inside playing with Wall.

I think his lack of athleticism is a bigger problem on D.

[nuposse04]

I am more concerned about Porter's defense. Offensively i think he will be fine. Before the draft i was worried about his jumper but that looks to be a strength to me. He has a quick release and can shoot on the move. His BBall IQ and off the ball movement will get him some easy looks inside playing with Wall.

I think his lack of athleticism is a bigger problem on D.

I think he needs to add weight there, and strictly be asked to cover 3s and 4s (stretch 4s). He occasionally guards 2 guards, but he has no business guarding most PGs, unfortunately we always seem to put him on them. I guess that is part of the system.

[FAH1223]

I am more concerned about Porter's defense. Offensively i think he will be fine. Before the draft i was worried about his jumper but that looks to be a strength to me. He has a quick release and can shoot on the move. His BBall IQ and off the ball movement will get him some easy looks inside playing with Wall.

I think his lack of athleticism is a bigger problem on D.

It's a bigger problem vs. guards... he seems to do okay vs. other SFs and smaller PFs.

But this just keeps making me think that we should have Kawhi Leonard

[hands11]

I am more concerned about Porter's defense. Offensively i think he will be fine. Before the draft i was worried about his jumper but that looks to be a strength to me. He has a quick release and can shoot on the move. His BBall IQ and off the ball movement will get him some easy looks inside playing with Wall.

I think his lack of athleticism is a bigger problem on D.

I think he needs to add weight there, and strictly be asked to cover 3s and 4s (stretch 4s). He occasionally guards 2 guards, but he has no business guarding most PGs, unfortunately we always seem to put him on them. I guess that is part of the system.

He is just 21. This is effectively this first season. They got him through it uninjured with this is better then last year and better then Wall and Beals for two years.

He showed lots of progress since he arrived.

You already see two skills of his that are really nice and should only get better. He rebounds great in space and uses that same length and perception to get steals. Which is a great skill to add to this team. He can get them extended possessions and into transition. And he is great at squeezing the ball in at off angles around the rim. Those are two pretty nice things to already have in his bag.

Now as he adds a Pippen slashing game where he finishes with dunks... That's when everything will open up on offense. Just adding that straight line drive for now will do a lot. We see some of it in transition. But I see he can do that in half court as well. But he might need to get stronger first. From there the following year, he can expand his handles, which are already pretty good.

By 23, he should be looking good.

One thing about Otto. He is a legit SF package with length, some handles, some range and passing. Closest to that we have had recently was CB who was a little undersized. TA was a lot of it, but lacked the handles so he was terrible at driving. PP is the entire package, but he is to old.

Wall, Beal and Otto .. That a legit group of young players. Wall is mostly developed now. Beal and Otto still need to add a piece or two every year like Wall did. But Wall is older and has had more time.

[dckingsfan]

Still counting on the breakout next season

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Season   Age    WS/48   VORP   ORtg   DRtg
2013-14   20   -0.006   -0.4    86    107
2014-15   21    0.090    0.4   104    104
2015-16   22    0.174    1.4   122    101


[Rafael122]

The kid needs minutes, he's always needed minutes. His playing time has been sapped by Butler and Webster, and that's inexcusable. Porter can flat out play ball man, it's frustrating watching him ride the pine.

[hands11]

The kid needs minutes, he's always needed minutes. His playing time has been sapped by Butler and Webster, and that's inexcusable. Porter can flat out play ball man, it's frustrating watching him ride the pine.

Butler and PP mostly.

And Otto has played 69 games out of 77 and averaged 18.7 minutes.

Would maybe be nice to see that at 22 mins but ... hey.. Rasual was blazing at one point and PP is on the team this year. And the team went throw that nasty slide. Not sure how that effected him minutes.

At least the young man is healthy. No stress fractures. No hip injury.

Hey. Randy is coach. Considering that, 69 games and a healthy Otto is a gift horse. At least he it appears he is peaking at the right time. Let hope he can keep that up. What Otto does from here would write the story of his season. Kind of like Beal did last year.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Rooting for Porter tonight. The Knicks/Sixere games, despite the poor competition......he looked really dialed in. Obviously the Grizzlies are another matter.

Hope he proves me wrong. I need a 10 game stretch of these kind of aggressive/no boneheaded play games then I'll be a very happy fan.

He's been doing well.

I expect he will exceed your wildest dreams.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I am more concerned about Porter's defense. Offensively i think he will be fine. Before the draft i was worried about his jumper but that looks to be a strength to me. He has a quick release and can shoot on the move. His BBall IQ and off the ball movement will get him some easy looks inside playing with Wall.

I think his lack of athleticism is a bigger problem on D.

I think he needs to add weight there, and strictly be asked to cover 3s and 4s (stretch 4s). He occasionally guards 2 guards, but he has no business guarding most PGs, unfortunately we always seem to put him on them. I guess that is part of the system.

I agree that Porter will need to add weight (and gain strength) to be more effective defensively.

I am reminded of young, slight Rip Hamilton. Rip was initially considered a wretched defender. Then he went to the Pistons, who had a junkyard dog defender in Ben Wallace, a highly skilled positional defender in Rasheed Wallace, rangy Tayshaun Prince, and physical Chauncey Billups. Rip used his energy to run guys into the floor. His offense became his great weapon, similar to how skinny Reggie Miller did before him. Rip Hamilton made the effort but wasn't a great defensive player.

I think Otto Porter can have a long, very good NBA career if he follows Rip Hamilton's lead. Become an efficient, energetic, offensive threat and just make a consistent effort on defense.

Porter already is a ball hawk when over playing passing lanes. Otto gets his share of weak side help blocked shots. With his long arms he closes out on shooters well.

Porter is not a bust.

[dobrojim]

OP is begun resembling TA in how he uses his length and anticipation to
get steals leading to breakaways in the open court. He looks like he's
going to be a fine player especially if he can get wire-y strong. I don't
necessarily want him to try to fill out too much. But he can get stronger
even without doing that.