Bradley Beal - Part II

AFM · Post #1921 » by **AFM** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:08 pm

We're talking about a chucker that shoots 44% from the field and 29% from 3

Dark Faze · Post #1922 » by **Dark Faze** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:25 pm

AFM wrote:Lakers offering $25M+ a year for Derozan. Anyone still think Beal won't be getting a max deal?
He'll get the full max from DC.

pretty much lol

25 mil for derozan? damn

how much will a beal max be? 21?

AFM · Post #1923 » by **AFM** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:29 pm

Dark Faze wrote:
AFM wrote:Lakers offering $25M+ a year for Derozan. Anyone still think Beal won't be getting a max deal?
He'll get the full max from DC.

pretty much lol

25 mil for derozan? damn

how much will a beal max be? 21?

I thought it was ~15M for his experience level. nate knows

Post #1924 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:56 pm

AFM wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:
AFM wrote:Lakers offering $25M+ a year for Derozan. Anyone still think Beal won't be getting a max deal?
He'll get the full max from DC.

pretty much lol

25 mil for derozan? damn

how much will a beal max be? 21?

I thought it was ~15M for his experience level. nate knows

Maximum salaries are based on years of experience. For players with 0-6 years, like Beal, the maximum is 25% of the cap. For players with 7-9 years of experience, like DeRozan (in his 7th season), it's 30%. For players with 10+ years of experience, it's 35% of the cap. So, if the cap ends up around $90 million, Beal's max would be about $22.5 million. DeRozan's would be about $27 million.

In my analysis, max for either guy would be nuts. Beal has been a very average player throughout his career, as has DeRozan. DeRozan had the best PPA of his career when I last updated -- but only a 131. That ain't worthy of the max.

AFM · Post #1925 » by **AFM** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:22 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:
AFM wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:
pretty much lol

25 mil for derozan? damn

how much will a beal max be? 21?

I thought it was ~15M for his experience level. nate knows

Maximum salaries are based on years of experience. For players with 0-6 years, like Beal, the maximum is 25% of the cap. For players with 7-9 years of experience, like DeRozan (in his 7th season), it's 30%. For players with 10+ years of experience, it's 35% of the cap. So, if the cap ends up around $90 million, Beal's max would be about $22.5 million. DeRozan's would be about $27 million.

In my analysis, max for either guy would be nuts. Beal has been a very average player throughout his career, as has DeRozan. DeRozan had the best PPA of his career when I last updated -- but only a 131. That ain't worthy of the max.

Wow, I hadn't realized the cap had jumped so high in the last 2 years. (Just googled)

Post #1926 » by **nate33** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:12 pm

Max for Beal is about $21M. Maybe a hair below.

queridiculo · Post #1927 » by **queridiculo** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:18 pm

If DeRozan didn't have a direct connection to the refs cerebral cortex, he'd be absolute trash. His ability to get to the line masks a lot of his deficiencies.

Post #1928 » by **nate33** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:25 pm

queridiculo wrote:If DeRozan didn't have a direct connection to the refs cerebral cortex, he'd be absolute trash. His ability to get to the line masks a lot of his deficiencies.

Well, that's one way of putting it. Or you could say that his ability to get to the line makes him a much more consistent player because he can score with reasonable efficiency even on his poor-shooting days.

Derozan is a much better player than Beal. Higher usage with higher efficiency. Equivalent rebounding, passing and defense. Fewer turnovers. Greater durability.

The only argument for Beal is his age. But that argument is starting to wear thin. Age only matters if you think it translates into improvement, but in 3 years, Beal hasn't improved.

J-Ves · Post #1929 » by **J-Ves** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:25 pm

AFM wrote:We're talking about a chucker that shoots 44% from the field and 29% from 3

He also gets to the line at an elite level.

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J-Ves · Post #1930 » by **J-Ves** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:31 pm

nate33 wrote:
queridiculo wrote:If DeRozan didn't have a direct connection to the refs cerebral cortex, he'd be absolute trash. His ability to get to the line masks a lot of his deficiencies.

Well, that's one way of putting it. Or you could say that his ability to get to the line makes him a much more consistent player because he can score with reasonable efficiency even on his poor-shooting days.

Derozan is a much better player than Beal. Higher usage with higher efficiency. Equivalent rebounding, passing and defense. Fewer turnovers. Greater durability.

The only argument for Beal is his age. But that argument is starting to wear thin. Age only matters if you think it translates into improvement, but in 3 years, Beal hasn't improved.

Are you Paul Pierce? Because that's The Truth.

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JAR69 · Post #1931 » by **JAR69** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:11 pm

nate33 wrote:Max for Beal is about $21M. Maybe a hair below.

Assuming how big of a cap? $90 million?

Post #1932 » by **nate33** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:27 pm

JAR69 wrote:
nate33 wrote:Max for Beal is about $21M. Maybe a hair below.

Assuming how big of a cap? $90 million?

Yeah. Assuming a cap of $89M, his max salary starts at $20.8M

AFM · Post #1933 » by **AFM** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:20 pm

While Wall makes 16M,; absolutely not, tell him he can have Wall's contract or take a hike

J-Ves · Post #1934 » by **J-Ves** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:28 pm

AFM wrote:While Wall makes 16M,; absolutely not, tell him he can have Wall's contract or take a hike

He doesn't even deserve that. The team that pays Beal this summer will live to regret it.

deneem4 · Post #1935 » by **deneem4** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:25 am

J-Ves wrote:
AFM wrote:While Wall makes 16M,; absolutely not, tell him he can have Wall's contract or take a hike

He doesn't even deserve that. The team that pays Beal this summer will live to regret it.

He's the 4th best sg in the nba...please explain

Post #1936 » by **nate33** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:52 am

deneem4 wrote:
J-Ves wrote:
AFM wrote:While Wall makes 16M,; absolutely not, tell him he can have Wall's contract or take a hike

He doesn't even deserve that. The team that pays Beal this summer will live to regret it.

He's the 4th best sg in the nba...please explain

He isn't even the 10th best.

Harden
Thompson
Butler
Matthews
DeRozan
Wade
Middleton
Bledsoe
McCollum
Redick

All clearly better.

Furthermore, there's a lot more guys who are arguably better, like:

Bradley
Fournier
D.Green
Barton
Ellis
Burks
Korver
Gordon

deneem4 · Post #1937 » by **deneem4** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:52 pm

nate33 wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
J-Ves wrote:He doesn't even deserve that. The team that pays Beal this summer will live to regret it.

He's the 4th best sg in the nba...please explain

He isn't even the 10th best.

Harden
Thompson
Butler
Matthews
DeRozan
Wade
Middleton
Bledsoe
McCollum
Redick

All clearly better.

Furthermore, there's a lot more guys who are aguably better, like:

Bradley
Fournier
D.Green
Barton
Ellis
Burks
Korver

Harden
Thompson
Butler
Are the only clear 2 guards better than beal...

Middleton
McCollum
Bledsoe(he's a pg)

Are close
Maybe derozan

But be real...jus because he hasn't been playing down downplay his game...u wouldn't trade beal straight up for any of those guys listed

Post #1938 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:01 pm

queridiculo wrote:If DeRozan didn't have a direct connection to the refs cerebral cortex, he'd be absolute trash. His ability to get to the line masks a lot of his deficiencies.

Yup - he's 3rd in the NBA - behind Harden and Cousins - in FTA's per game. Beal is... about a zillion behind. Beal doesn't draw fouls - never has. How is that going to change?

Post #1939 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:03 pm

nate33 wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
J-Ves wrote:He doesn't even deserve that. The team that pays Beal this summer will live to regret it.

He's the 4th best sg in the nba...please explain

He isn't even the 10th best.

Harden
Thompson
Butler
Matthews
DeRozan
Wade
Middleton
Bledsoe
McCollum
Redick

All clearly better.

Furthermore, there's a lot more guys who are aguably better, like:

Bradley
Fournier
D.Green
Barton
Ellis
Burks
Korver

My list would actually be longer. :lol:

Among the players b-r identifies as being SGs, Beal ranks 30th this season in PPA. Last season, Beal ranked 18th.

Post #1940 » by **nate33** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:10 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:
nate33 wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
He's the 4th best sg in the nba...please explain

He isn't even the 10th best.

Harden
Thompson
Butler
Matthews
DeRozan
Wade
Middleton
Bledsoe
McCollum
Redick

All clearly better.

Furthermore, there's a lot more guys who are aguably better, like:

Bradley
Fournier
D.Green
Barton
Ellis
Burks
Korver

My list would actually be longer.

Among the players b-r identifies as being SGs, Beal ranks 30th this season in PPA. Last season, Beal ranked 18th.

Indeed. Certainly if we just use this year's performance, the list is very long.

I'll give Brad the benefit of the doubt and attribute his bad start to a small sample size fluke plus injury issues, and assume he's at least as good as last season. If so, 18th seems about right. Maybe he's a bit better than 18th because he's probably a bit better defensively than a lot of mid-tier shooting guards. But the point is, he's pretty darn average. To treat him like he's the 4th best SG is insane.