Political Roundtable Part XVII

[Pointgod]

how can (the predictable few) of you guys be so in favor of investigating "russia" collusion in our election to tip the scales but have no concern at all about meddling of our elections from within.

Also where is all the damage??? To sources and methods?? to national security??? How was releasing this so bad for national security!!!!!???

Are you seriously saying we should trust Russia over the FBI and DOJ???

Try to really think that through before flying your fingers over the keyboard.

Eh eh eh, I said think first.

That’s exactly what he’s saying. Former Naval Intelligence officer and supposed Patriot SD20 would side with Russia over US Intelligence agencies.

[Ruzious]

how can (the predictable few) of you guys be so in favor of investigating "russia" collusion in our election to tip the scales but have no concern at all about meddling of our elections from within.

Also where is all the damage??? To sources and methods?? to national security??? How was releasing this so bad for national security!!!!!???

Are you seriously saying we should trust Russia over the FBI and DOJ???

Try to really think that through before flying your fingers over the keyboard.

Eh eh eh, I said think first.

so if/and/when Trump DOJ/FBI does the similar things in 2024...are you going to cry like a baby then? Justice and the rule of law going to matter at that point?

Just stop spewing garbage and start thinking. So far, you've done nothing here but spew nonsense. Your posts have been nothing but pro Russian piles of dogshyt.

[gtn130]

в точку. и «прессой» вы почти строго подразумеваете CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NYT, WAPO. Большие 6 чрезвычайно либерально предвзятые «источники новостей».

Си-эн-эн создало этот «РОССИЙСКИЙ» вихрь для начала. И они получили это от прямых утечек из Обамы DOJ / FBI. И побежал с ним в течение 13 месяцев подряд. Все еще на нем. В этот момент в основном перешли на препятствие. Излишне указывать на препятствие в этом поддельном российском расследовании, основанном на поддельной российской Досье.

Быстро переходите от ордера FISA и шпионите за козырной кампанией с июня 2016 года по декабрь 2016 года - январь 2018. 2 твердых месяца в лихорадке России. RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA по всей CNN 24-7 (потому что не было никакого козыря, выигравшего честную и квадратную). И ЛЮБОВНЫЕ разговоры просачиваются между Флинном и российским послом. Что заставляет Флинна лгать Майку Пенсу о разговоре.

Это испортило весь режим Флинн-Трампа с первого дня. Все основывается на лжи. коварство. Коррумпированные гарантии FISA. Шпионаж на политического противника.

НИКОГДА НЕ ПОЗВОЛЯЙТЕ ЗНАЧЕНИЕ ЛИДЕРА. Лидирование - это то, что я лично одурачил вас, ребята, это то, что THE OUTGOING DOJ / FBI СКОРОСТИ НА ВХОДЯЩЕГО политического противника.

Меморандум просто называет имена. Это не просто сара картер и jon solomon (настоящие журналисты) из The Hill. Конгресс положил на него свое имя !!!!!!! Это важно для всех. Теперь все должны смотреть на это. Расследования теперь ДОЛЖНЫ быть завершены во всем российском расследовании.

I'm with you, comrade

[nate33]

Why does this detail always get left out by these frothing at the mouth memo people?

Conservative Free Beacon originally funded firm that created Trump-Russia dossier
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/27/trump-russia-washington-free-beacon-fusion-gps-244265

Representatives for the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative online news site, informed congressional investigators Friday the outlet had originally funded the research firm that created the salacious dossier containing allegations of ties between Donald Trump's campaign and Russian operatives, the publication said in a statement.

All of the controversy stems from the idea that the funding of the dossier was politically motivated and therefore Steele was too, but it was funded by members of both political affiliations. It is opposition research, but how does that make the content untrue?

Then going after the FBI... yeah, good luck with that.

Just absolute silliness by the GOP. Very sad.

That detail is intentionally misleading. The Beacon hired Fusion to make oppo research on the field of Republican candidates, but they were completely out of the picture by the time Christopher Steele became involved. The entire Steele Dossier was done with Clinton money. (And, by the way, Perkins Cole was paid almost a million dollars from Obama for America too.)

[gtn130]

how can (the predictable few) of you guys be so in favor of investigating "russia" collusion in our election to tip the scales but have no concern at all about meddling of our elections from within.

Also where is all the damage??? To sources and methods?? to national security??? How was releasing this so bad for national security!!!!!???

Are you seriously saying we should trust Russia over the FBI and DOJ???

Try to really think that through before flying your fingers over the keyboard.

Eh eh eh, I said think first.

That’s exactly what he’s saying. Former Naval Intelligence officer and supposed Patriot SD20 would side with Russia over US Intelligence agencies.

Wait, so SD20 claims to be a former naval intelligence officer along with being a wildly successful dentist and realtor?

[nate33]

If you're correct and it is a dud... say you're Ryan. What do you do about Nunes?

doesn't look like a dud.

circular reporting used (disguised as sourcing) by the FBI TO THE FISA COURT.

You're a moron.

The memo states, in particularly vague language, that the dossier formed an essential part of the FISA application.

1) This quite clearly means it wasn't the only part of the application.

2) The dossier has largely NOT been disproven, and huge parts of it have been corroborated.

McCabe testified under oath that no FISA warrant would have been granted without the Steele Dossier.

And nothing meaningful from the Dossier has been proven except that Carter Page did indeed go to Moscow.

[stilldropin20]

how can (the predictable few) of you guys be so in favor of investigating "russia" collusion in our election to tip the scales but have no concern at all about meddling of our elections from within.

Also where is all the damage??? To sources and methods?? to national security??? How was releasing this so bad for national security!!!!!???

Are you seriously saying we should trust Russia over the FBI and DOJ???

Try to really think that through before flying your fingers over the keyboard.

Eh eh eh, I said think first.

why would it matter if top FBI or Russia favors any given candidate? Both subvert democracy.

I say that because you dont know who is behind the FBI/DOJ subversian. Russia could simply be using a few top FBI official. So you could be looking at BOTH RUSSIA and the FBI? Or th eKoch brothers could pay off a few FBI officials, etc.

I'm just not understanding your position at all. We have free and fair elections or we dont.

[Pointgod]

Are you seriously saying we should trust Russia over the FBI and DOJ???

Try to really think that through before flying your fingers over the keyboard.

Eh eh eh, I said think first.

That’s exactly what he’s saying. Former Naval Intelligence officer and supposed Patriot SD20 would side with Russia over US Intelligence agencies.

Wait, so SD20 claims to be a former naval intelligence officer along with being a wildly successful dentist and realtor?

He also claims to be a former D1 two sport star, dates playboy models and is connected to the political elite in the Chicago area

[cammac]

doesn't look like a dud.

circular reporting used (disguised as sourcing) by the FBI TO THE FISA COURT.

You're a moron.

The memo states, in particularly vague language, that the dossier formed an essential part of the FISA application.

1) This quite clearly means it wasn't the only part of the application.

2) The dossier has largely NOT been disproven, and huge parts of it have been corroborated.

McCabe testified under oath that no FISA warrant would have been granted without the Steele Dossier.

And nothing meaningful from the Dossier has been proven except that Carter Page did indeed go to Moscow.

Now you know what Mueller knows! Somehow I doubt that Nat.

[gtn130]

Why does this detail always get left out by these frothing at the mouth memo people?

Conservative Free Beacon originally funded firm that created Trump-Russia dossier
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/27/trump-russia-washington-free-beacon-fusion-gps-244265

Representatives for the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative online news site, informed congressional investigators Friday the outlet had originally funded the research firm that created the salacious dossier containing allegations of ties between Donald Trump's campaign and Russian operatives, the publication said in a statement.

All of the controversy stems from the idea that the funding of the dossier was politically motivated and therefore Steele was too, but it was funded by members of both political affiliations. It is opposition research, but how does that make the content untrue?

Then going after the FBI... yeah, good luck with that.

Just absolute silliness by the GOP. Very sad.

That detail is intentionally misleading. The Beacon hired Fusion to make oppo research on the field of Republican candidates, but they were completely out of the picture by the time Christopher Steele became involved. The entire Steele Dossier was done with Clinton money. (And, by the way, Perkins Cole was paid almost a million dollars from Obama for America too.)

Cool.

Dossier largely hasn't been discredited, and major parts of it have been corroborated, so you shouldn't be too upset with it being taken seriously.

It also wasn't the only part of the FISA application as noted in your memo.

More importantly, Papadopoulos triggered the FBI's Russia investigation months before the FISA application for Carter Page, indicating, again, that the Dossier was not the only thing of importance when the FISA warrant was issued.

[Pointgod]

doesn't look like a dud.

circular reporting used (disguised as sourcing) by the FBI TO THE FISA COURT.

You're a moron.

The memo states, in particularly vague language, that the dossier formed an essential part of the FISA application.

1) This quite clearly means it wasn't the only part of the application.

2) The dossier has largely NOT been disproven, and huge parts of it have been corroborated.

McCabe testified under oath that no FISA warrant would have been granted without the Steele Dossier.

And nothing meaningful from the Dossier has been proven except that Carter Page did indeed go to Moscow.

I’m sure you can provide primary documents that show Mccabes testimony and not just second hand information from Devin Nunes.

[stilldropin20]

Are you seriously saying we should trust Russia over the FBI and DOJ???

Try to really think that through before flying your fingers over the keyboard.

Eh eh eh, I said think first.

That’s exactly what he’s saying. Former Naval Intelligence officer and supposed Patriot SD20 would side with Russia over US Intelligence agencies.

Wait, so SD20 claims to be a former naval intelligence officer along with being a wildly successful dentist and realtor?

"claims" I served aboard the USS Parche, douchebag. And the USS William H bates. Yes, intelligence officer, asswhipe. Yes I held a TS-SI- SCI security clearance and worked in the radio room, moron. I know you have no idea what that means. But lets be clear. I know soooooooooooo much more than you about this world and how things really work. About intelligence. About everything!!!!!!!

[Ruzious]

how can (the predictable few) of you guys be so in favor of investigating "russia" collusion in our election to tip the scales but have no concern at all about meddling of our elections from within.

Also where is all the damage??? To sources and methods?? to national security??? How was releasing this so bad for national security!!!!!???

Are you seriously saying we should trust Russia over the FBI and DOJ???

Try to really think that through before flying your fingers over the keyboard.

Eh eh eh, I said think first.

why would it matter if top FBI or Russia favors any given candidate? Both subvert democracy.

I say that because you dont know who is behind the FBI/DOJ subversian. Russia could simply be using a few top FBI official. So you could be looking at BOTH RUSSIA and the FBI? Or th eKoch brothers could pay off a few FBI officials, etc.

I'm just not understanding your position at all. We have free and fair elections or we dont.

It's kinda obvious from 99% of your posts what you're pushing. Pretending you're even-handed in 1% makes one question your integrity.

[nate33]

Let's put this in simple terms:

* The DNC, through Fusion GPS, hired Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump.
* Steele came up with a bunch of crazy stuff, that Comey said under oath was "salacious and unverified". The only thing that was verified was that Carter Page went to Moscow.
* The FBI knew that the Steele Dossier was funded by Clinton but didn't tell the FISA court
* The FBI knew that the Steele Dossier was salacious and unverified, but did not tell the FISA court.
* The FBI knew that Steele had an intense animosity toward Trump and had a goal to prevent him from being elected but did not tell the FISA court.
* The FBI knew that Steele leaked information from his unverified dossier to Yahoo news, and then used the news story from Yahoo news as corroboration for the dossier's veracity, and did not tell the FISA court.
* The FBI cut off association with Steele after he leaked to Mother Jones, but that was after the FISA warrant was obtained. When he previously leaked to Yahoo news, they didn't disassociate themselves from him because they needed him to remain credible to get the FISA warrant.
* Because of all of these omissions of important information regarding the Dossier, the FISA court granted surveillance rights. Andrew McCabe admitted under oath that, without the Dossier, they did not have enough for surveillance rights.
* After obtaining these surveillance rights on Trump administration officials, the Obama Administration surveilled Trump officials, systematically loosened the restrictions on sharing information among agencies, and unmasked several people unnecessarily. With so many people in government now aware of classified information about Trump, there were constant leaks to the media regarding "Trump collusion" all to gin up an anti-Trump hysteria in order to start a Special Counsel investigation.

[nate33]

You're a moron.

The memo states, in particularly vague language, that the dossier formed an essential part of the FISA application.

1) This quite clearly means it wasn't the only part of the application.

2) The dossier has largely NOT been disproven, and huge parts of it have been corroborated.

McCabe testified under oath that no FISA warrant would have been granted without the Steele Dossier.

And nothing meaningful from the Dossier has been proven except that Carter Page did indeed go to Moscow.

I’m sure you can provide primary documents that show Mccabes testimony and not just second hand information from Devin Nunes.

So you think Nunes put a blatantly false piece of information in the most scrutinized congressional memo of all time? And the entire Republican Congress, including plenty of Never Trumpers signed off on it even though the McCabe testimony will surely be released eventually? And you think I'm a conspiracy nut?

This is a critical piece of information, and because it doesn't fit your template, you're going to just ignore it? LOL

[stilldropin20]

That’s exactly what he’s saying. Former Naval Intelligence officer and supposed Patriot SD20 would side with Russia over US Intelligence agencies.

Wait, so SD20 claims to be a former naval intelligence officer along with being a wildly successful dentist and realtor?

He also claims to be a former D1 two sport star, dates playboy models and is connected to the political elite in the Chicago area

thats all true too, asswhipe!!! except the "connected" part. I never claimed to be "connected." i claimed to be at Penny Pritzker's christmas party in 2008. Obama was there. as was rahm, Ernie, and many others. oh but wouldn't you love to be me!!! you lil whiny ass crybaby loser!!!!! lil biotch!!! thats right. we live in a world where if you were lucky enough to hang out, you'd be my lil biotch And, yes, my current girlfriend is a playboy model. I'm a dentist. Own multiple dental practice. develop real estate. own multiple income properties and its the 2nd. Rent checks are rolling in. deal with it biotch!!!

[gtn130]

Let's put this in simple terms:

* The DNC, through Fusion GPS, hired Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump.
* Steele came up with a bunch of crazy stuff, that Comey said under oath was "salacious and unverified". The only thing that was verified was that Carter Page went to Moscow.
* The FBI knew that the Steele Dossier was funded by Clinton but didn't tell the FISA court
* The FBI knew that the Steele Dossier was salacious and unverified, but did not tell the FISA court.
* The FBI knew that Steele had an intense animosity toward Trump and had a goal to prevent him from being elected but did not tell the FISA court.
* The FBI knew that Steele leaked information from his unverified dossier to Yahoo news, and then used the news story from Yahoo news as corroboration for the dossier's veracity, and did not tell the FISA court.
* The FBI cut off association with Steele after he leaked to Mother Jones, but that was after the FISA warrant was obtained. When he previously leaked to Yahoo news, they didn't disassociate themselves from him because they needed him to remain credible to get the FISA warrant.
* Because of all of these omissions of important information regarding the Dossier, the FISA court granted surveillance rights. Andrew McCabe admitted under oath that, without the Dossier, they did not have enough for surveillance rights.
* After obtaining these surveillance rights on Trump administration officials, the Obama Administration surveilled Trump officials, systematically loosened the restrictions on sharing information among agencies, and unmasked several people unnecessarily. With so many people in government now aware of classified information about Trump, there were constant leaks to the media regarding "Trump collusion" all to gin up an anti-Trump hysteria in order to start a Special Counsel investigation.

This is insanely dumb. Just stop.

The dossier is not the only part of the FISA application for Carter Page. The rest of it wasn't released! That's why Nunes refers to it as 'an essential part' and not 'the only part' of the application.

And, again, the dossier has largely been corroborated, and very little of it has turned out to be incorrect.

You were tricked here because you're extremely biased and want things one way.

[gtn130]

McCabe testified under oath that no FISA warrant would have been granted without the Steele Dossier.

And nothing meaningful from the Dossier has been proven except that Carter Page did indeed go to Moscow.

I’m sure you can provide primary documents that show Mccabes testimony and not just second hand information from Devin Nunes.

So you think Nunes put a blatantly false piece of information in the most scrutinized congressional memo of all time? And the entire Republican Congress, including plenty of Never Trumpers signed off on it even though the McCabe testimony will surely be released eventually? And you think I'm a conspiracy nut?

This is a critical piece of information, and because it doesn't fit your template, you're going to just ignore it? LOL

Nate, buddy, you're not good at this.

Nunes uses very specific wording. Here's what the memo actually said:

"no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information."

The Steele dossier information. Interesting, that appendage isn't it? I wonder why they wouldn't just say 'Steele dossier' there? Maybe it's because the information has been corroborated, and there are other additional sources dictating the FISA warrant application.

Nunes is being intentionally misleading here, and you're falling for it.

[nate33]

This is insanely dumb. Just stop.

The dossier is not the only part of the FISA application for Carter Page. The rest of it wasn't released! That's why Nunes refers to it as 'an essential part' and not 'the only part' of the application.

And, again, the dossier has largely been corroborated, and very little of it has turned out to be incorrect.

You were tricked here because you're extremely biased and want things one way.

You have to believe that Nunes is blatantly lying about something that is sure to be verified sooner or later to believe that the FISA report didn't depend on the Dossier.

And please, illuminate me. What has been "largely corroborated" about the Dossier? Is there any corroboration of Trump's golden showers with Russian prostitutes? Is there any proof of multimillion dollar bribes? Do you really believe that Russia started a relationship with Trump in freaking 2011 because they predicted that he would one day run for President? Donald Trump, the reality show host, a President? LOL.

[Pointgod]

McCabe testified under oath that no FISA warrant would have been granted without the Steele Dossier.

And nothing meaningful from the Dossier has been proven except that Carter Page did indeed go to Moscow.

I’m sure you can provide primary documents that show Mccabes testimony and not just second hand information from Devin Nunes.

So you think Nunes put a blatantly false piece of information in the most scrutinized congressional memo of all time? And the entire Republican Congress, including plenty of Never Trumpers signed off on it even though the McCabe testimony will surely be released eventually? And you think I'm a conspiracy nut?

This is a critical piece of information, and because it doesn't fit your template, you're going to just ignore it? LOL

Yes Nunes is not above lying. Many Republicans admitted that they haven’t even read the memo before it’s release and neither did Trump. Simple question that only requires a simple answer. Is the Steele dossier the only piece of information used to get the FISA warrant?