Political Roundtable Part XVIII

[cammac]

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More money. More influence. Kills more babies. Than any gun.


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Would be nice to do some fact checking Twiddle Dumb then you wouldn't look like a idiot all the time!
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=d000000082 NRA
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000591 Planned parenthood

FYI Planned Parenthood offers vital services to women and availability to abortions is a small part.

[gtn130]

And you might want a majority before you start the ban all guns thing... just saying.

Please cite a single post where I said we should ban all guns. I'm not even advocating repealing 2A!

Blowing down straw men is fun and all, but you can try a little harder.

[montestewart]

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More money. More influence. Kills more babies. Than any gun.


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Sun Ra Shah. Rosin bun. Magic raisins. In the sun.

[dckingsfan]

And you might want a majority before you start the ban all guns thing... just saying.

Please cite a single post where I said we should ban all guns. I'm not even advocating repealing 2A!

Blowing down straw men is fun and all, but you can try a little harder.

A logical conclusion to and the language from ""guns are actually bad and we need aggressive policy change" is a dog whistle for ban guns. I assume you know that - or if you don't, you might want to revisit your language.

And if you aren't advocating repealing 2A, you don't think insurance works and you know that banning certain types of weapons has no affect - then what are you proposing other than to vote the other side out. Can you see where you come across as tribal?

[dckingsfan]

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More money. More influence. Kills more babies. Than any gun.


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Sun Ra Shah. Rosin bun. Magic raisins. In the sun.

Shriveled grapes..

[gtn130]

And you might want a majority before you start the ban all guns thing... just saying.

Please cite a single post where I said we should ban all guns. I'm not even advocating repealing 2A!

Blowing down straw men is fun and all, but you can try a little harder.

A logical conclusion to and the language from ""guns are actually bad and we need aggressive policy change" is a dog whistle for ban guns. I assume you know that - or if you don't, you might want to revisit your language.

And if you aren't advocating repealing 2A, you don't think insurance works and you know that banning certain types of weapons has no affect - then what are you proposing other than to vote the other side out. Can you see where you come across as tribal?

I've made it clear what changes I would make on multiple occasions. You've read those posts.

The insurance idea *might* be effective, but I see absolutely no reason to throw the gun nuts a bone. They, along with the NRA, are the cause of unnecessary mass murder. They should actually be shunned and humiliated for their depraved idiocy. The fact that your immediate reaction to calls for gun control is to go ask your gun friends what changes would make them happiest is, uh, not very CENTRIST of you tbh.

And the tribalist stuff is laughable - I'm very openly far to the left of center. You seem to think I cape for the Democrats because I point out that the Republicans are evil, but that's really just your imagination at work. Find the posts where I'm carrying water for the Democrats.

[Wizardspride]

If I was to judge the Republican base solely off various comments sections I would be forced to conclude that the party is filled with racists.

[FAH1223]

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[cammac]

I read a sensible solution on protecting schools over the weekend and didn't save it. As you well know well trained dogs help law enforcement everyday sniffing out drugs/money at airports and border crossings and apprehending criminals. I know how valuable they are i was stopped bordering a flight by a RCMP officer and a beagle who wrapped himself around my leg. The officer asked if I was carrying more than $10,000 I said no but was carrying about $20,000 RMB.

A couple of well trained dogs I believe could sniff out a possible attacker and neutralize them before they could do harm. I think it would be much more effective than Trump clones who would get cardiac arrest before they ran 50 yards.

[dckingsfan]

Please cite a single post where I said we should ban all guns. I'm not even advocating repealing 2A!

Blowing down straw men is fun and all, but you can try a little harder.

A logical conclusion to and the language from ""guns are actually bad and we need aggressive policy change" is a dog whistle for ban guns. I assume you know that - or if you don't, you might want to revisit your language.

And if you aren't advocating repealing 2A, you don't think insurance works and you know that banning certain types of weapons has no affect - then what are you proposing other than to vote the other side out. Can you see where you come across as tribal?

I've made it clear what changes I would make on multiple occasions. You've read those posts.

The insurance idea *might* be effective, but I see absolutely no reason to throw the gun nuts a bone. They, along with the NRA, are the cause of unnecessary mass murder. They should actually be shunned and humiliated for their depraved idiocy. The fact that your immediate reaction to calls for gun control is to go ask your gun friends what changes would make them happiest is, uh, not very CENTRIST of you tbh.

And the tribalist stuff is laughable - I'm very openly far to the left of center. You seem to think I cape for the Democrats because I point out that the Republicans are evil, but that's really just your imagination at work. Find the posts where I'm carrying water for the Democrats.

And I have pointed out why the "solutions" you offer have been tried and don't work. And you want to stick with them. sigh. This is like most on the left that can kill a bad program to save their collective lives.

And of course it is centrist to get the opinions on both sides. Did you ask what my friends that are left of center responded - no, you just blasted the right for not having a plan - you know, that's about as tribal as it gets - and that kind of behavior needs to end.

And where did you carry water for the Ds. Now you are killing me. Remember those posts where you said that being in the middle equates to being on the Rs side. sigh - you are getting into SD territory.

[gtn130]

And I have pointed out why the "solutions" you offer have been tried and don't work. And you want to stick with them. sigh.

No. You haven't. You actually only addressed your made-up version of what I proposed.

Specifically, you keep saying I made some proclamation about repealing the 2A. I didn't, and I even circled back with you to clarify that I didn't suggest that, to which you never responded and actually just dodged the whole conversation thereafter.

And of course it is centrist to get the opinions on both sides.

Cool. Funny thing is you only volunteered the thoughts and feelings of your gun friends. I guess you're the Frank Luntz of that group.

you just blasted the right for not having a plan - you know, that's about as tribal as it gets - and that kind of behavior needs to end.

No, I didn't. I blasted the NRA Republicans for supporting mass murder because they want to sell more guns. Legitimately never once criticized them for not having 'a plan' - that's your imagination at work again.

Remember those posts where you said that being in the middle equates to being on the Rs side.

I've shown you on more than one occasion that being in the middle renders you far more conservative than it would have two decades ago because the right has shifted farther to the extreme than the left has. I know you choose not to believe that despite the availability of evidence. /shrug

sigh - you are getting into SD territory.

To the shock of absolutely nobody, Mr. Both Sides Are The Same finished his post with a false equivalence!

[cammac]

We all know that the Trumpster is allergic to the truth so having to be interviewed by Mueller and team is a recipe for disaster. But I read this that his lawyers might have to use as a defense: They might argue that the president of the United States is suffering from a form of Anti-Truth Tourettes Syndrome that causes him to involuntarily blurt out lies at any random moment

[dckingsfan]

And I have pointed out why the "solutions" you offer have been tried and don't work. And you want to stick with them. sigh.

No. You haven't. You actually only addressed your made-up version of what I proposed.

Specifically, you keep saying I made some proclamation about repealing the 2A. I didn't, and I even circled back with you to clarify that I didn't suggest that, to which you never responded and actually just dodged the whole conversation thereafter.

-- actually the part I refuted was when you wanted to put additional bans on specific types of guns. We know it doesn't work from the data from the Brady bill.

And of course it is centrist to get the opinions on both sides.

Cool. Funny thing is you only volunteered the thoughts and feelings of your gun friends. I guess you're the Frank Luntz of that group.

-- geez, I was responding to Zonk's quote

you just blasted the right for not having a plan - you know, that's about as tribal as it gets - and that kind of behavior needs to end.

No, I didn't. I blasted the NRA Republicans for supporting mass murder because they want to sell more guns. Legitimately never once criticized them for not having 'a plan' - that's your imagination at work again.

-- there you go again - vilifying the other side - you might as well be an right to lifer - killing babies and what not. This is akin to automatically losing the argument by citing Hitler when you don't have a response.

Remember those posts where you said that being in the middle equates to being on the Rs side.

I've shown you on more than one occasion that being in the middle renders you far more conservative than it would have two decades ago because the right has shifted farther to the extreme than the left has. I know you choose not to believe that despite the availability of evidence. /shrug

-- wow, you know the middle is well the middle. If you are saying the country is drifting right - show me. Yes, the Rs are drifting right that is why they are losing the middle.

sigh - you are getting into SD territory.

To the shock of absolutely nobody, Mr. Both Sides Are The Same finished his post with a false equivalence!

-- no false equivalence here - I am pointing out that you are rambling and tribal in your responses. You might not like that your calling the Rs "murders

supporting mass murder

puts you right there with SD

[JWizmentality]

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Some of what he says makes sense. At some point you have to accept the reality of your situation. Putin stacks the deck but he does enjoy large support in Russia. Not all that different from here. We'd like to think that America is tolerant, accepting, and post racial. But then look who got elected. Sure, some external factors played a role but at some point you have to accept that a vast majority of the populace are in fact deplor....very fine people.

[cammac]

Under Republican topic Politicians have no shame.

Cagle, who is running for governor this year, issued a statement accusing those companies of “viewpoint discrimination against conservatives and law-abiding gun owners.”

Car rental companies National Car Rental, Enterprise and Alamo and car pricing group TrueCar are among the other companies that ended their deals for NRA members.

Likely Delta doesn't need the tax breaks. But gutsy move since Georgia is beginning to trend much more Democratic.
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/375646-georgia-lt-gov-threatens-delta-unless-it-restores-relationship-with-nra

[closg00]

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A possible Trump strategy is to let this escalate to the point of him being subpoenaed, then firing Mueller claiming that the “Witch Hunt” had gone on long-enough. Later, he pardons Manafort. I haven’t read any press accounts of any possible state prosecutions and Trump already has his own prosecutor in NYC. Manafort is no flipping yet has every reason to do-so.

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DP

[Wizardspride]

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A possible Trump strategy is to let this escalate to the point of him being subpoenaed, then firing Mueller claiming that the “Witch Hunt” had gone on long-enough. Later, he pardons Manafort. I haven’t read any press accounts of any possible state prosecutions and Trump already has his own prosecutor in NYC. Manafort is no flipping yet has every reason to do-so.

N.Y. AG Eric Schneiderman is rumored to be Muller's ace in the hole.

Scuttlebutt is he's working in concert with Mueller.

[Wizardspride]

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[Pointgod]

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Of course he is. Trump has no moral centre, he just goes where the wind blows.