Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[dckingsfan]

Hi, Bulls fan here. Would like to ask how you value Porter? What would be an outline for a deal? Would something like Portis+ McDermott+ #48 be enough to interest you?

Not on its face a horrible value, and because the Wizards have so many holes, that looks somewhat appealing initially. Taking into account the uncertainty of future development, that looks more like a lateral move that loses the best player in the deal and leaves a hole at SF. If the Wizards (somehow!) manage to sign KD or some other dynamic wing/frontcourt scorer, it might look better from this end.

I truthfully think that Porter will become our best player next year - it is a huge leap of faith but he has been improving year over year. He would be the perfect compliment to Butler - so kudos realEAST for the recognition.

I wish we had stayed put last year and grabbed Portis. Then we wouldn't have had to trade for Morris. Basically we gave up a first and second to grab Oubre - typical bad EG move.

[Wizardspride]

Hi, Bulls fan here. Would like to ask how you value Porter? What would be an outline for a deal? Would something like Portis+ McDermott+ #48 be enough to interest you?

Not on its face a horrible value, and because the Wizards have so many holes, that looks somewhat appealing initially. Taking into account the uncertainty of future development, that looks more like a lateral move that loses the best player in the deal and leaves a hole at SF. If the Wizards (somehow!) manage to sign KD or some other dynamic wing/frontcourt scorer, it might look better from this end.

I truthfully think that Porter will become our best player next year - it is a huge leap of faith but he has been improving year over year. He would be the perfect compliment to Butler - so kudos realEAST for the recognition.

I wish we had stayed put last year and grabbed Portis. Then we wouldn't have had to trade for Morris. Basically we gave up a first and second to grab Oubre - typical bad EG move.

I

It was only a bad move if your drafting philosophy is just about filling a hole.

If it's about taking the BPA/biggest upside regardless of position then it makes perfect sense.

[verbal8]

Hi, Bulls fan here. Would like to ask how you value Porter? What would be an outline for a deal? Would something like Portis+ McDermott+ #48 be enough to interest you?

Not on its face a horrible value, and because the Wizards have so many holes, that looks somewhat appealing initially. Taking into account the uncertainty of future development, that looks more like a lateral move that loses the best player in the deal and leaves a hole at SF. If the Wizards (somehow!) manage to sign KD or some other dynamic wing/frontcourt scorer, it might look better from this end.

I truthfully think that Porter will become our best player next year - it is a huge leap of faith but he has been improving year over year. He would be the perfect compliment to Butler - so kudos realEAST for the recognition.

I wish we had stayed put last year and grabbed Portis. Then we wouldn't have had to trade for Morris. Basically we gave up a first and second to grab Oubre - typical bad EG move.

I would think that a tempting package for Porter would have to include either the 14th pick or Mirotic. Mirotic seems to be similar in trade value(more productive, but older) to Porter so I don't think a deal around them makes a lot of sense.

Portis is intriguing, but I am think the drop-off from Porter to McDermott would be too much without something like the 14th pick.

[realEAST]

Not on its face a horrible value, and because the Wizards have so many holes, that looks somewhat appealing initially. Taking into account the uncertainty of future development, that looks more like a lateral move that loses the best player in the deal and leaves a hole at SF. If the Wizards (somehow!) manage to sign KD or some other dynamic wing/frontcourt scorer, it might look better from this end.

I truthfully think that Porter will become our best player next year - it is a huge leap of faith but he has been improving year over year. He would be the perfect compliment to Butler - so kudos realEAST for the recognition.

I wish we had stayed put last year and grabbed Portis. Then we wouldn't have had to trade for Morris. Basically we gave up a first and second to grab Oubre - typical bad EG move.

I would think that a tempting package for Porter would have to include either the 14th pick or Mirotic. Mirotic seems to be similar in trade value(more productive, but older) to Porter so I don't think a deal around them makes a lot of sense.

Portis is intriguing, but I am think the drop-off from Porter to McDermott would be too much without something like the 14th pick.

I see where you are coming from.

Personally, I wouldn't mind Mirotic for Porter swap, I'd even add #48 (2nd round this year is quite interesting) to sweeten the deal.

But, again personally, I would probably favor McD + Portis pack even from your perspective. McDermott is actually picking himself up lately, and would thrive playing along someone like Wall.

How would you value Bulls 2017 pick as a part of a deal?

[nate33]

I'm not interested in trading Porter. Not only will he be our second best player next year, but he's also the type of player who gets underrated in trade scenarios and free agency - meaning he'll probably get resigned to a reasonable price next summer.

[montestewart]

I'm not interested in trading Porter. Not only will he be our second best player next year, but he's also the type of player who gets underrated in trade scenarios and free agency - meaning he'll probably get resigned to a reasonable price next summer.

I'd be real happy if he followed a Shane Battier-type path (maybe a little more on the scoring end), career-wise and salary-wise.

[dckingsfan]

I truthfully think that Porter will become our best player next year - it is a huge leap of faith but he has been improving year over year. He would be the perfect compliment to Butler - so kudos realEAST for the recognition.

I wish we had stayed put last year and grabbed Portis. Then we wouldn't have had to trade for Morris. Basically we gave up a first and second to grab Oubre - typical bad EG move.

I would think that a tempting package for Porter would have to include either the 14th pick or Mirotic. Mirotic seems to be similar in trade value(more productive, but older) to Porter so I don't think a deal around them makes a lot of sense.

Portis is intriguing, but I am think the drop-off from Porter to McDermott would be too much without something like the 14th pick.

I see where you are coming from.

Personally, I wouldn't mind Mirotic for Porter swap, I'd even add #48 (2nd round this year is quite interesting) to sweeten the deal.

But, again personally, I would probably favor McD + Portis pack even from your perspective. McDermott is actually picking himself up lately, and would thrive playing along someone like Wall.

How would you value Bulls 2017 pick as a part of a deal?

I think the problem is "how would EG value the 2017 pick". He is such a poor drafter that he wouldn't know what to do with it

[realEAST]

I would think that a tempting package for Porter would have to include either the 14th pick or Mirotic. Mirotic seems to be similar in trade value(more productive, but older) to Porter so I don't think a deal around them makes a lot of sense.

Portis is intriguing, but I am think the drop-off from Porter to McDermott would be too much without something like the 14th pick.

I see where you are coming from.

Personally, I wouldn't mind Mirotic for Porter swap, I'd even add #48 (2nd round this year is quite interesting) to sweeten the deal.

But, again personally, I would probably favor McD + Portis pack even from your perspective. McDermott is actually picking himself up lately, and would thrive playing along someone like Wall.

How would you value Bulls 2017 pick as a part of a deal?

I think the problem is "how would EG value the 2017 pick". He is such a poor drafter that he wouldn't know what to do with it

Well, it is supposed to be strong draft, so at least he could swap it for other Morris twin

[AFM]

Why the hell would be trade porter for the 14th pick and mirotic

My phone auto corrected mirotic to moronic, which isn't far off

[Ruzious]

Mirotic is actually a good small-ball PF. I think he had to play some 3 last season, because Chi had so many bigs. He's a good 3 point shooter, plays hard, rebounds reasonably well - doesn't look pretty, but gets the job done.

I'm doubtful that Porter will be significantly better than Mirotic. We might be able to get Denzell Valentine with the 14th pick - a real solid player who nails 3's and facially looks even more like Temple than Porter does. Only problem with getting both Mirotic and Valentine - neither has good defensive ability.

[payitforward]

I truthfully think that Porter will become our best player next year - it is a huge leap of faith but he has been improving year over year. He would be the perfect compliment to Butler - so kudos realEAST for the recognition.

I wish we had stayed put last year and grabbed Portis. Then we wouldn't have had to trade for Morris. Basically we gave up a first and second to grab Oubre - typical bad EG move.

I would think that a tempting package for Porter would have to include either the 14th pick or Mirotic. Mirotic seems to be similar in trade value(more productive, but older) to Porter so I don't think a deal around them makes a lot of sense.

Portis is intriguing, but I am think the drop-off from Porter to McDermott would be too much without something like the 14th pick.

I see where you are coming from.

Personally, I wouldn't mind Mirotic for Porter swap, I'd even add #48 (2nd round this year is quite interesting) to sweeten the deal.

But, again personally, I would probably favor McD + Portis pack even from your perspective. McDermott is actually picking himself up lately, and would thrive playing along someone like Wall.

How would you value Bulls 2017 pick as a part of a deal?

Forgive, realEAST, but that's a ridiculous offer. Porter was taken 3d in the draft and is showing that he was worth the pick. You want to give Mirotic and a low R2 pick for him? Sorry, that's laughable.

[payitforward]

I see where you are coming from.

Personally, I wouldn't mind Mirotic for Porter swap, I'd even add #48 (2nd round this year is quite interesting) to sweeten the deal.

But, again personally, I would probably favor McD + Portis pack even from your perspective. McDermott is actually picking himself up lately, and would thrive playing along someone like Wall.

How would you value Bulls 2017 pick as a part of a deal?

I think the problem is "how would EG value the 2017 pick". He is such a poor drafter that he wouldn't know what to do with it

Well, it is supposed to be strong draft, so at least he could swap it for other Morris twin

LOL!! Well done, realEAST -- you redeemed yourself!

[payitforward]

Mirotic is actually a good small-ball PF. I think he had to play some 3 last season, because Chi had so many bigs. He's a good 3 point shooter, plays hard, rebounds reasonably well - doesn't look pretty, but gets the job done.

I'm doubtful that Porter will be significantly better than Mirotic. We might be able to get Denzell Valentine with the 14th pick - a real solid player who nails 3's and facially looks even more like Temple than Porter does. Only problem with getting both Mirotic and Valentine - neither has good defensive ability.

Wow -- for my $$ Porter is already better than Mirotic! Keeping in mind that this is a 3 vs. a 4, I'm not sure it's even all that close.

Mirotic did shoot the 3 ball well this year (previous year he shot under 31%). But shot 43% on 2-pointers, he is a poor rebounder (not reasonably good), and so far he does nothing else particularly well either.

I'm kind of amazed that people are still underestimating Porter this way.

[dckingsfan]

Mirotic is actually a good small-ball PF. I think he had to play some 3 last season, because Chi had so many bigs. He's a good 3 point shooter, plays hard, rebounds reasonably well - doesn't look pretty, but gets the job done.

I'm doubtful that Porter will be significantly better than Mirotic. We might be able to get Denzell Valentine with the 14th pick - a real solid player who nails 3's and facially looks even more like Temple than Porter does. Only problem with getting both Mirotic and Valentine - neither has good defensive ability.

Wow -- for my $$ Porter is already better than Mirotic! Keeping in mind that this is a 3 vs. a 4, I'm not sure it's even all that close.

Mirotic did shoot the 3 ball well this year (previous year he shot under 31%). But shot 43% on 2-pointers, he is a poor rebounder (not reasonably good), and so far he does nothing else particularly well either.

I'm kind of amazed that people are still underestimating Porter this way.

Well, he was saying Mirotic + asset(s) - I don't think that is out of line. I think in my mind it comes down to three questions. How good will Porter get (I think he will be the best player on the Wizards next year - I am going to ignore Wall for the moment), how good will Oubre be next year (I think he needs another year) and what will the FC depth look like next year.

If you think Otto is as good as he is going to get or Oubre is going to make a huge jump - then a S4 + pick might be fine. I just don't see it that way.

[Ruzious]

Mirotic is actually a good small-ball PF. I think he had to play some 3 last season, because Chi had so many bigs. He's a good 3 point shooter, plays hard, rebounds reasonably well - doesn't look pretty, but gets the job done.

I'm doubtful that Porter will be significantly better than Mirotic. We might be able to get Denzell Valentine with the 14th pick - a real solid player who nails 3's and facially looks even more like Temple than Porter does. Only problem with getting both Mirotic and Valentine - neither has good defensive ability.

Wow -- for my $$ Porter is already better than Mirotic! Keeping in mind that this is a 3 vs. a 4, I'm not sure it's even all that close.

Mirotic did shoot the 3 ball well this year (previous year he shot under 31%). But shot 43% on 2-pointers, he is a poor rebounder (not reasonably good), and so far he does nothing else particularly well either.

I'm kind of amazed that people are still underestimating Porter this way.

This is kinda silly. Every time I dare say that I don't think Porter will be a superstar, you pitch a fit. I said, "I'm doubtful that Porter will be SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER than Mirotic." It seems like I have to explain that it means I do think he will be better than Mirotic. I'm not knocking Porter in any way by saying that. Right now, they're about the same. It's not like Mirotic is some old relic; he's just 2 years older than Otto. He is NOT a poor rebounder. You have to consider he played a lot of 3 last season. That's why his rebounding average per 40 minutes decreased from 9.6 to 8.7. He was playing with outstanding rebounders at the 4 and 5 positions, so obviously that cut into the number of rebounds he got. Porter played some 4 last season on a lousy rebounding team and still had only 6.9 per 40. And your attempt to knock Mirotic's scoring efficiency makes no sense because he had the same 56% TS% that Porter had. And as far as overall production, Mirotic had a PER of 15.7 to Otto's 14.4. Again, I'm not knocking Porter by saying he likely won't be SIGNIFICANTLY better than Mirotic. I'm not surprised at your reaction, because you actually said you'd rather have Porter than George shortly before the playoffs. And if you say you still hold that view - after watching the playoffs - I will put you on ignore.

[montestewart]

Mirotic is actually a good small-ball PF. I think he had to play some 3 last season, because Chi had so many bigs. He's a good 3 point shooter, plays hard, rebounds reasonably well - doesn't look pretty, but gets the job done.

I'm doubtful that Porter will be significantly better than Mirotic. We might be able to get Denzell Valentine with the 14th pick - a real solid player who nails 3's and facially looks even more like Temple than Porter does. Only problem with getting both Mirotic and Valentine - neither has good defensive ability.

Wow -- for my $$ Porter is already better than Mirotic! Keeping in mind that this is a 3 vs. a 4, I'm not sure it's even all that close.

Mirotic did shoot the 3 ball well this year (previous year he shot under 31%). But shot 43% on 2-pointers, he is a poor rebounder (not reasonably good), and so far he does nothing else particularly well either.

I'm kind of amazed that people are still underestimating Porter this way.

Well, he was saying Mirotic + asset(s) - I don't think that is out of line. I think in my mind it comes down to three questions. How good will Porter get (I think he will be the best player on the Wizards next year - I am going to ignore Wall for the moment), how good will Oubre be next year (I think he needs another year) and what will the FC depth look like next year.

If you think Otto is as good as he is going to get or Oubre is going to make a huge jump - then a S4 + pick might be fine. I just don't see it that way.

The way the Wizards build their roster is as if they really have a strong starting five and are just filling out the rotation and working on depth. The pick for Morris had that look. And so would these Porter trades. Porter becomes expendable when they have someone that can fill the role he's being groomed to fill. They don't. Portis and/or Mirotic would probably be good additions to the rotation and good assets in future deals, but these deals look more like shuffling the deck at best, and more likely losing the best front line player in the deal.

[tontoz]

The New York Knicks and Chicago Bulls have agreed upon a Derrick Rose trade.

The Bulls will send Rose, Justin Holiday and a 2017 second rounder to the Knicks for Robin Lopez, Jerian Grant and Jose Calderon.

[stevemcqueen1]

I love that trade for the Bulls, hate it for the Knicks.

[AFM]

Dayum...Rose to the Knicks. Maybe he can revitalize his career, but I doubt it.

Rose and Melo on the same team doe

[AFM]

Oh wow, I was thinking Grant was somebody else. I really don't like that move for NYK.