Political Roundtable Part XII

[bsilver]

Power plants are the single largest contributor to carbon emissions. I thought Obama's push to move away from coal was a good one. I think his mistake was not to push gas harder while at the same time pushing renewables. It "felt" like the Obama administration was creating rules to curtail the development of natural gas.

I thought a more prudent approach would have been to incentivize coal burning plants to quickly switch to natural gas. At the same time pushing renewables.

Obama was a big supporter of natural gas production. He withstood a lot of pressure from environmentalists to stop fracking. His administration did pass rules to reduce methane emissions, which the republicans have repealed. There is no evidence these rules reduced production. What Obama policy would you change? There was huge increases in production under Obama.
The only policy I can think of is exporting of natural gas, which was not approved until 2015. This was a controversial subject since exporting natural gas would raise prices in the US. Environmental groups continue to fight exporting NG, so Obama had to fight this battle also. With Trump in power, that's now a moot point.

[pineappleheadindc]

The earth is flat. Welcome to the dark ages. Alternative facts and science is opinion.

Kyrie, is that you?

[nate33]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/opinion/sunday/are-liberals-helping-trump.html?src=me&_r=0

Everyone should read this article. It says a lot of things I've been saying, but in a much nicer way.
Here are some selected quotes:

Mr. Medford should be a natural ally for liberals trying to convince the country that Mr. Trump was a bad choice. But it is not working out that way. Every time Mr. Medford dips into the political debate — either with strangers on Facebook or friends in New York and Los Angeles — he comes away feeling battered by contempt and an attitude of moral superiority.

“We’re backed into a corner,” said Mr. Medford, 46, whose business teaches people to be filmmakers. “There are at least some things about Trump I find to be defensible. But they are saying: ‘Agree with us 100 percent or you are morally bankrupt. You’re an idiot if you support any part of Trump.’ ”

He added: “I didn’t choose a side. They put me on one.”

“The name calling from the left is crazy,” said Bryce Youngquist, 34, who works in sales for a tech start-up in Mountain View, Calif., a liberal enclave where admitting you voted for Mr. Trump is a little like saying in the 1950s that you were gay. “They are complaining that Trump calls people names, but they turned into some mean people.”

Mr. Youngquist stayed in the closet for months about his support for Mr. Trump. He did not put a bumper sticker on his car, for fear it would be keyed. The only place he felt comfortable wearing his Make America Great Again hat was on a vacation in China. Even dating became difficult. Many people on Tinder have a warning on their profile: “Trump supporters swipe left” — meaning, get lost.

He came out a few days before the election. On election night, a friend posted on Facebook, “You are a disgusting human being.”

“They were making me want to support him more with how irrational they were being,” Mr. Youngquist said.

Mrs. O’Connell is a registered Democrat. She voted for Bill Clinton twice. But she has drifted away from the party over what she said was a move from its middle-class economic roots toward identity politics. She remembers Mr. Clinton giving a speech about the dangers of illegal immigration. Mr. Trump was lambasted for offering some of the same ideas, she said.

“The Democratic Party has changed so much that I don’t even recognize it anymore,” she said. “These people are destroying our democracy. They are scarier to me than these Islamic terrorists. I feel absolutely disgusted with them and their antics. It strengthens people’s resolve in wanting to support President Trump. It really does.”

[dckingsfan]

Power plants are the single largest contributor to carbon emissions. I thought Obama's push to move away from coal was a good one. I think his mistake was not to push gas harder while at the same time pushing renewables. It "felt" like the Obama administration was creating rules to curtail the development of natural gas.

I thought a more prudent approach would have been to incentivize coal burning plants to quickly switch to natural gas. At the same time pushing renewables.

Obama was a big supporter of natural gas production. He withstood a lot of pressure from environmentalists to stop fracking. His administration did pass rules to reduce methane emissions, which the republicans have repealed. There is no evidence these rules reduced production. What Obama policy would you change? There was huge increases in production under Obama.
The only policy I can think of is exporting of natural gas, which was not approved until 2015. This was a controversial subject since exporting natural gas would raise prices in the US. Environmental groups continue to fight exporting NG, so Obama had to fight this battle also. With Trump in power, that's now a moot point.

A feeling that I get from two things.

Unlike credits for renewables, there were no tax credits for the electrical power plant industry to make the switch to natural gas.

He also wanted remove tax breaks for natural gas exploration and drilling.

So, it is a bit of a leap - but not much of one. I think he sided with environmentalists that criticize natural gas because it still is a fossil fuel.

I think he could have had us switch off of coal and onto natural gas in his term - but then he would have had to back those power plants instead of Solyndra

I think he could have made a mandate to switch all trucking off of diesel and to natural gas as well.

I think if he had done so, we would have reduced our carbon emissions another 15% during his term.

I guess that is a bit of 20/20 hindsight.

At least Obama had a plan (regardless of the flaws). I thus far have heard no plan from Trump.

[sfam]

What does that even mean? Bottom line, US citizens traditionally have been among the largest carbon polluters. Our industrial economy was rolling before China and India's. To claim that we don't contribute, or contribute less than the average country is both bizarre and factually incorrect. It is clearly our problem.

More to the point, this is akin to complaining that its not a problem for you that the kid next to you in the pool peed in the pool, because you are a few feet away. Whether or not you are the one peeing (you are if you are a US Citizen and we're talking about carbon pollution), the overall quality of the water in the pool which you are sitting in is still declining. The difference of course is you can't step out of the pool called earth.

What I'm saying is that I don't consider carbon per capita to be the correct way to look at it. Carbon is produced by industry and absorbed by plant life. So the metric that makes sense to me is carbon produced divided by square feet of vegetation. If a nation has a low ratio of carbon produced divided by square feet of vegetation, it is responsible steward for the planet. If a nation has a high ratio it is not.

The U.S. may have a high carbon per capita ratio, but because we have an advanced economy and a stable population, we never came close to pushing the Malthusian limits on our environment. We have a very low population density and therefore have plenty of vegetation per capita to absorb the carbon we produce. Overall, the U.S. actually absorbs more total carbon than it emits.

I say that the U.S. is more responsible that a nation like Bangladesh. We emit about 30 times the carbon per capita as they do, but they have 40 times the population density that we do. Therefore, they are emitting more total carbon per square mile of land than we are. Likewise, a nation like France has 4 times the population density as we do, and we have 3 times the carbon emissions per capita as they do. The net result is we emit less carbon per square mile than they do.

US emits a little over 16- 17% of the total emissions a year and is only 6.6% of the total land of the world. The US is not doing its part and neither is China.

Nate, that's some pretty self-serving reasoning. Bottom line, the each US person is contributing way more carbon then they are removing, and have been doing so for far longer than most anyone else.

To imply people in the aren't the problem and bare little or no responsibility is an alt-fact.

[sfam]

Power plants are the single largest contributor to carbon emissions. I thought Obama's push to move away from coal was a good one. I think his mistake was not to push gas harder while at the same time pushing renewables. It "felt" like the Obama administration was creating rules to curtail the development of natural gas.

I thought a more prudent approach would have been to incentivize coal burning plants to quickly switch to natural gas. At the same time pushing renewables.

Obama was a big supporter of natural gas production. He withstood a lot of pressure from environmentalists to stop fracking. His administration did pass rules to reduce methane emissions, which the republicans have repealed. There is no evidence these rules reduced production. What Obama policy would you change? There was huge increases in production under Obama.
The only policy I can think of is exporting of natural gas, which was not approved until 2015. This was a controversial subject since exporting natural gas would raise prices in the US. Environmental groups continue to fight exporting NG, so Obama had to fight this battle also. With Trump in power, that's now a moot point.

I haven't heard anything but positive vibes coming from the Obama administration on natural gas. I remember them selling it as a bridge energy source to take us the next 50 years or so until renewables develop sufficiently.

The fact that the US has the most reserves to me says we should be going all in - I don't see why this would be a political issue. I don't see environmentalists as a barrier here at all.

[DCZards]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/opinion/sunday/are-liberals-helping-trump.html?src=me&_r=0

Everyone should read this article. It says a lot of things I've been saying, but in a much nicer way.

Nah...I'm not reading it. It comes from the NYT. Trump has already warned us that everything in that newspaper is "fake" news.

[verbal8]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/swedes-scratch-heads-trumps-suggestion-major-incident-121438182--politics.html

First "Bowling Green" and then fake Sweden attacks.

[sfam]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/opinion/sunday/are-liberals-helping-trump.html?src=me&_r=0

Everyone should read this article. It says a lot of things I've been saying, but in a much nicer way.
Here are some selected quotes:

Mr. Medford should be a natural ally for liberals trying to convince the country that Mr. Trump was a bad choice. But it is not working out that way. Every time Mr. Medford dips into the political debate — either with strangers on Facebook or friends in New York and Los Angeles — he comes away feeling battered by contempt and an attitude of moral superiority.

“We’re backed into a corner,” said Mr. Medford, 46, whose business teaches people to be filmmakers. “There are at least some things about Trump I find to be defensible. But they are saying: ‘Agree with us 100 percent or you are morally bankrupt. You’re an idiot if you support any part of Trump.’ ”

He added: “I didn’t choose a side. They put me on one.”

“The name calling from the left is crazy,” said Bryce Youngquist, 34, who works in sales for a tech start-up in Mountain View, Calif., a liberal enclave where admitting you voted for Mr. Trump is a little like saying in the 1950s that you were gay. “They are complaining that Trump calls people names, but they turned into some mean people.”

Mr. Youngquist stayed in the closet for months about his support for Mr. Trump. He did not put a bumper sticker on his car, for fear it would be keyed. The only place he felt comfortable wearing his Make America Great Again hat was on a vacation in China. Even dating became difficult. Many people on Tinder have a warning on their profile: “Trump supporters swipe left” — meaning, get lost.

He came out a few days before the election. On election night, a friend posted on Facebook, “You are a disgusting human being.”

“They were making me want to support him more with how irrational they were being,” Mr. Youngquist said.

Mrs. O’Connell is a registered Democrat. She voted for Bill Clinton twice. But she has drifted away from the party over what she said was a move from its middle-class economic roots toward identity politics. She remembers Mr. Clinton giving a speech about the dangers of illegal immigration. Mr. Trump was lambasted for offering some of the same ideas, she said.

“The Democratic Party has changed so much that I don’t even recognize it anymore,” she said. “These people are destroying our democracy. They are scarier to me than these Islamic terrorists. I feel absolutely disgusted with them and their antics. It strengthens people’s resolve in wanting to support President Trump. It really does.”

And yet the National Security Advisor resigned due to inappropriate contacts with Russia; Trump, who was perfectly fine leaving him in his position regardless, is more angry that his duplicity got exposed publicly; and his replacement turned down the job. Even more alarming, a former Republican candidate for President of the US (McCain) is in Europe warning the world that our President may have dictator tendencies, so they need to be on guard.

Feel free to blame this all on the "deep state," the enemies of the state known as the news media and the democratic party, which is apparently now worse than Islamic terrorists.

Clearly the article points to the fact the country is polarized and isn't interested in listening to anything the other side has to say (this goes both ways), even if there is good reason to do so.

[nate33]

Nate, that's some pretty self-serving reasoning. Bottom line, the each US person is contributing way more carbon then they are removing, and have been doing so for far longer than most anyone else.

To imply people in the aren't the problem and bare little or no responsibility is an alt-fact.

Well of course people contribute more than the remove because people don't remove any carbon. Vegetation does. And there are some studies that suggest that the U.S., or North America at least, is a carbon sink:

"We know that we who reside in the United States emit about 6.2 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year," said Taro Takahashi, Doherty Senior Research Scientist, associate director of Lamont-Doherty, Columbia's earth sciences campus in Palisades, N.Y., and an author of the report. "As an air mass travels from west to east, it should receive carbon dioxide and the East Coast concentration of CO2 should be higher than on the West Coast.

"But observations tell us otherwise. The mean atmospheric CO2 concentration on the East Coast has been observed to be lower than that over the Pacific coast. This means that more CO2 is taken up by land ecosystems over the United States than is released by industrial activities."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/10/981020074617.htm

There are other studies that suggest that the sink effect doesn't fully counteract the production rate. I assume that we really don't know the exact rate of carbon absorption. But nevertheless, my point still stands. It's carbon production per square foot of carbon absorbing vegetation that is the relevant metric.

In essence, developing a modern, fossil fuel using economy has the side effect of reducing birth rate and population density. And population density is a critical factor in balancing the carbon production/absorption ratio.

That doesn't mean we can't get better about how much carbon we emit. But it also means that the U.S. isn't the villain in this story. The U.S. has a better carbon production/absorption ratio thatn most countries.

[sfam]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/swedes-scratch-heads-trumps-suggestion-major-incident-121438182--politics.html

First "Bowling Green" and then fake Sweden attacks.

Its pretty strange - the rest of the world is going to have to come to grips with the idea our President isn't interested in even basic factual accuracy.

This will matter the moment the next world crisis comes along, and Trump will have to make a speech to the world, as is regular for a US President. It will be interesting to see the response. Will anyone believe him, whether or not he's speaking important truths?

[sfam]

Nate, that's some pretty self-serving reasoning. Bottom line, the each US person is contributing way more carbon then they are removing, and have been doing so for far longer than most anyone else.

To imply people in the aren't the problem and bare little or no responsibility is an alt-fact.

Well of course people contribute more than the remove because people don't remove any carbon. Vegetation does. And there are some studies that suggest that the U.S., or North America at least, is a carbon sink:

"We know that we who reside in the United States emit about 6.2 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year," said Taro Takahashi, Doherty Senior Research Scientist, associate director of Lamont-Doherty, Columbia's earth sciences campus in Palisades, N.Y., and an author of the report. "As an air mass travels from west to east, it should receive carbon dioxide and the East Coast concentration of CO2 should be higher than on the West Coast.

"But observations tell us otherwise. The mean atmospheric CO2 concentration on the East Coast has been observed to be lower than that over the Pacific coast. This means that more CO2 is taken up by land ecosystems over the United States than is released by industrial activities."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/10/981020074617.htm

There are other studies that suggest that the sink effect doesn't fully counteract the production rate. I assume that we really don't know the exact rate of carbon absorption. But nevertheless, my point still stands. It's carbon production per square foot of carbon absorbing vegetation that is the relevant metric.

In essence, developing a modern, fossil fuel using economy has the side effect of reducing birth rate and population density. And population density is a critical factor in balancing the carbon production/absorption ratio.

That doesn't mean we can't get better about how much carbon we emit. But it also means that the U.S. isn't the villain in this story. The U.S. has a better carbon production/absorption ratio than most countries.

Your point is what exactly? That we aren't responsible for our carbon excess?

The article does not imply that the US doesn't produce harmful carbon, only that it is lower on the east coast. More to the point it states:

The researchers stress that all of these mechanisms are temporary. It is thus inevitable that this sink will eventually stop absorbing carbon dioxide at these levels. They also stressed that the findings are subject to confirmation. "Our sampling density and frequency were inadequate for estimating the ecosystem uptake of carbon dioxide over other areas of the world," Dr. Takahashi said. "So it is really too early to say that the North American continent is so unique."

The researchers also caution that the size and location of the sink is variable. Other studies of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere show that global sinks vary by almost a factor of five from year to year and may also vary in location. The results in this paper may not be representative of periods outside 1988 to 1992, they added.

Nothing in there supports your point that those living in the US bare little or no responsibility - if this is your point. Far worse, our industrial production was the beacon for the rest of the world to copy us. We started it first, but eventually have improved our environmental regulations over Republican objections, and have diversified our sources.

We still have a long way to go, and again, we are living in the same biosphere - like literally, this is a world level problem. Pointing fingers at other countries while taking no actions on our own won't work.

[JWizmentality]

I'm about Fed up with the over the top reaction from Democrats regarding Trump. The insults, the protests, the violence, the destruction of property, burning the flag, and absolute exaggerated hysteria, all of which is completely unfounded and unwarranted.

Trump is not anti-immigrant, his wife IS AN IMMIGRANT. He is against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, which is a principal law of our country. Being the Commander In Chief it is his job to enforce the law. Borders and laws are what makes a country a country, not just a free open area of land. He wants to keep out Terrorists. Please stop lumping LEGAL IMMIGRANTS in with law breaking ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and TERRORISTS. Legal immigrants deserve our respect.

He is not a racists. I am tired of people talking about Trump like he is some KKK member from the deep south 70 years ago. He is a New York business man for crying out loud, who has been in the public eye and dealing with people for 40 years without these accusations.

These tactics by liberals are unscrupulous and downright lies. They call him a fascist when their propaganda, indoctrination, and absolute refusal of any opposition opinions are the roots of fascism. They have become completely unhinged.

I don't like everything Trump does or says but I am willing to give him a chance. All this overreaction and he's only been in office a month and hasn't even done anything yet! What I like is he's an outsider, not an entrenched part of the corrupt government establishment. I like that we wants to improve the economy, lower taxes, and reduce regulations. He wants to improve our security, military and national defense. He wants to improve our inner cities, and infrastructure. Stop protesting and stonewalling and complaining.

Personally, I've seen my neighborhood decimated by an increase in crime and gangs. I had my car stolen. I have not gotten a raise in 7 years while my rent has gone up significantly over the same period of time, and my medical insurance premiums have gone up and my deductible has gone from $250 to $2000.

Hillary Clinton was a disciple of Saul Alinsky's, her campaign colluded to be anointed the Democratic nominee, was provided with debate questions, paid protesters to cause violence in Chicago to frame Trump supporters, and you don't hear anything about it.

I'm also tired of this narrative that America is this evil empire. If we are so terrible why do people WANT to come here? The dirty deeds of our past are admittedly ugly, but not unique to nations of power throughout history. What is unique is that America ended slavery, and has proceeded to liberate and empower more people throughout the world than any other civilization.

I, like ALOT of Americans, believe in CAPITALISM, LIBERTY, FREEDOM, a LIMITED federal government, separation of powers, a strong military, and as much choice and power as possible staying at the local level of state, county and most importantly the INDIVIDUAL. I want to earn what I keep and keep what I earn, and I want the government and media to stop telling what to think and stay out of my business.

http://blackamericansfortrump.net/index.php/2016/09/10/jesse-jackson-praised-trump-in-1999-for-lifetime-of-helping-african-american-community/

Watch on YouTube

https://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

It's always interesting to see these conservative rants. A appreciate the insight. I'm well aware of the problems that exist within liberal philosophy, but I'm assumed by the unique contradictions and rejection of reality with this conservative viewpoint. You think America is on fire and liberalism is the cause. I hope you don't wake up a few years from now realizing your Trump University degree aint spittle.

[DCZards]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/opinion/sunday/are-liberals-helping-trump.html?src=me&_r=0

Everyone should read this article. It says a lot of things I've been saying, but in a much nicer way.
Here are some selected quotes:

Mr. Medford should be a natural ally for liberals trying to convince the country that Mr. Trump was a bad choice. But it is not working out that way. Every time Mr. Medford dips into the political debate — either with strangers on Facebook or friends in New York and Los Angeles — he comes away feeling battered by contempt and an attitude of moral superiority.

“We’re backed into a corner,” said Mr. Medford, 46, whose business teaches people to be filmmakers. “There are at least some things about Trump I find to be defensible. But they are saying: ‘Agree with us 100 percent or you are morally bankrupt. You’re an idiot if you support any part of Trump.’ ”

He added: “I didn’t choose a side. They put me on one.”

“The name calling from the left is crazy,” said Bryce Youngquist, 34, who works in sales for a tech start-up in Mountain View, Calif., a liberal enclave where admitting you voted for Mr. Trump is a little like saying in the 1950s that you were gay. “They are complaining that Trump calls people names, but they turned into some mean people.”

Mr. Youngquist stayed in the closet for months about his support for Mr. Trump. He did not put a bumper sticker on his car, for fear it would be keyed. The only place he felt comfortable wearing his Make America Great Again hat was on a vacation in China. Even dating became difficult. Many people on Tinder have a warning on their profile: “Trump supporters swipe left” — meaning, get lost.

He came out a few days before the election. On election night, a friend posted on Facebook, “You are a disgusting human being.”

“They were making me want to support him more with how irrational they were being,” Mr. Youngquist said.

Mrs. O’Connell is a registered Democrat. She voted for Bill Clinton twice. But she has drifted away from the party over what she said was a move from its middle-class economic roots toward identity politics. She remembers Mr. Clinton giving a speech about the dangers of illegal immigration. Mr. Trump was lambasted for offering some of the same ideas, she said.

“The Democratic Party has changed so much that I don’t even recognize it anymore,” she said. “These people are destroying our democracy. They are scarier to me than these Islamic terrorists. I feel absolutely disgusted with them and their antics. It strengthens people’s resolve in wanting to support President Trump. It really does.”

I'm sure you can find hundreds, if not thousands, of Democrats and liberals who have the same opinion as those expressed in these quotes. Anecdotes likes these are always easy to find. And these folks are certainly entitled to those opinions. After all, the Dem Party is a big tent.

But there are many more on the left who feel very, very differently. And their opinions are just as valid as those in this column.

In addition, you can bet that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of Repubs and conservatives who agree with those who are in the streets protesting Trump.

A luta continua!

[verbal8]

Just a thought on the spate of articles about Trump losing his marbles. I don't buy this for a second, and see no evidence to support this. To me, Trump seems near the same for the past 30-40 years or more. Nothing's changed, but his responsibility.

Interesting how Trump's mental health seems to come up most when his poll numbers are the lowest. I think he may be in enough of a bubble that bad news doesn't really get back to him. I also think it may not have much a reception if it did.

I think some were hoping( or fearing) there was a secret deep level of Trump's personality that would be revealed when he was in the role of being the president. Like you post says - he is the same as he always has been. Due to his lack of attention to detail, I do fear that the country is vulnerable to essentially being run by his inner circle.

The positive is he won't be getting worse. And the question of whether Trump was perhaps among the worse qualified to ever hold that office is sort of moot now.

It is difficult to avoid "telling" about Trump vs. "showing" Trump being ineffective. However I think that is the key to eroding his support among independents. I think in general those who are registered as Republican are going to stick with Trump, if he has any level of popular support.

[sfam]

Just a thought on the spate of articles about Trump losing his marbles. I don't buy this for a second, and see no evidence to support this. To me, Trump seems near the same for the past 30-40 years or more. Nothing's changed, but his responsibility.

Interesting how Trump's mental health seems to come up most when his poll numbers are the lowest. I think he may be in enough of a bubble that bad news doesn't really get back to him. I also think it may not have much a reception if it did.

I think some were hoping( or fearing) there was a secret deep level of Trump's personality that would be revealed when he was in the role of being the president. Like you post says - he is the same as he always has been. Due to his lack of attention to detail, I do fear that the country is vulnerable to essentially being run by his inner circle.

The positive is he won't be getting worse. And the question of whether Trump was perhaps among the worse qualified to ever hold that office is sort of moot now.

It is difficult to avoid "telling" about Trump vs. "showing" Trump being ineffective. However I think that is the key to eroding his support among independents. I think in general those who are registered as Republican are going to stick with Trump, if he has any level of popular support.

Just a point on the bad news. I wish this were the case. To me, Trump seems absolutely obsessed with bad news. He spends all his free time watching cable news and reading bad news stories. This is sort of crazy to me that our President cares more about what cable news is telling him than his intel community. Really unfathomable, but such is our life.

[JWizmentality]

The earth is flat. Welcome to the dark ages. Alternative facts and science is opinion.

Kyrie, is that you?

Call me Uncle Drew

[DCZards]

I'm about Fed up with the over the top reaction from Democrats regarding Trump. The insults, the protests, the violence, the destruction of property, burning the flag, and absolute exaggerated hysteria, all of which is completely unfounded and unwarranted.

Trump is not anti-immigrant, his wife IS AN IMMIGRANT. He is against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, which is a principal law of our country. Being the Commander In Chief it is his job to enforce the law. Borders and laws are what makes a country a country, not just a free open area of land. He wants to keep out Terrorists. Please stop lumping LEGAL IMMIGRANTS in with law breaking ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and TERRORISTS. Legal immigrants deserve our respect.

He is not a racists. I am tired of people talking about Trump like he is some KKK member from the deep south 70 years ago. He is a New York business man for crying out loud, who has been in the public eye and dealing with people for 40 years without these accusations.

These tactics by liberals are unscrupulous and downright lies. They call him a fascist when their propaganda, indoctrination, and absolute refusal of any opposition opinions are the roots of fascism. They have become completely unhinged.

I don't like everything Trump does or says but I am willing to give him a chance. All this overreaction and he's only been in office a month and hasn't even done anything yet! What I like is he's an outsider, not an entrenched part of the corrupt government establishment. I like that we wants to improve the economy, lower taxes, and reduce regulations. He wants to improve our security, military and national defense. He wants to improve our inner cities, and infrastructure. Stop protesting and stonewalling and complaining.

Personally, I've seen my neighborhood decimated by an increase in crime and gangs. I had my car stolen. I have not gotten a raise in 7 years while my rent has gone up significantly over the same period of time, and my medical insurance premiums have gone up and my deductible has gone from $250 to $2000.

Hillary Clinton was a disciple of Saul Alinsky's, her campaign colluded to be anointed the Democratic nominee, was provided with debate questions, paid protesters to cause violence in Chicago to frame Trump supporters, and you don't hear anything about it.

I'm also tired of this narrative that America is this evil empire. If we are so terrible why do people WANT to come here? The dirty deeds of our past are admittedly ugly, but not unique to nations of power throughout history. What is unique is that America ended slavery, and has proceeded to liberate and empower more people throughout the world than any other civilization.

I, like ALOT of Americans, believe in CAPITALISM, LIBERTY, FREEDOM, a LIMITED federal government, separation of powers, a strong military, and as much choice and power as possible staying at the local level of state, county and most importantly the INDIVIDUAL. I want to earn what I keep and keep what I earn, and I want the government and media to stop telling what to think and stay out of my business.

http://blackamericansfortrump.net/index.php/2016/09/10/jesse-jackson-praised-trump-in-1999-for-lifetime-of-helping-african-american-community/

Watch on YouTube

https://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

Trump is a bully, a bigot and a liar.

On top of that, he mocks the disabled, sexually abuses women, stiffs small businesses who work for him, calls Americans who didn’t support him “the opposition,” talks about African Americans like they are second-class citizens, signs an executive order making it easier to pollute our rivers and streams, disparages immigrants and Muslims, says that he’s cool with a nuclear arms race, calls our free press “the enemy,” selects the wealthiest, most inexperienced, most uninformed cabinet ever, has failed to provide his tax returns, has some questionable ties with Russia and Putin, etc.

If those things are all right with you. Cool. They are not all right with me.

[sfam]

I'm shocked, shocked! It turns out Trump is not going to hire the best people. He will only hire those that haven't said bad things about him. This really is banana republic dictator stuff.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/us/politics/trump-candidates-top-posts.html

The Republicans are blaming the Democrats for slow rolling the appointments, but the real truth is the vast majority of political appointee positions still have no choice to submit for approval. The ones he has submitted have had amatuer hour vetting, which causes huge issues in the security clearance process and confirmation.

Trump demands loyalty not competence.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I'm about Fed up with the over the top reaction from Democrats regarding Trump. The insults, the protests, the violence, the destruction of property, burning the flag, and absolute exaggerated hysteria, all of which is completely unfounded and unwarranted.

Trump is not anti-immigrant, his wife IS AN IMMIGRANT. He is against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, which is a principal law of our country. Being the Commander In Chief it is his job to enforce the law. Borders and laws are what makes a country a country, not just a free open area of land. He wants to keep out Terrorists. Please stop lumping LEGAL IMMIGRANTS in with law breaking ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and TERRORISTS. Legal immigrants deserve our respect.

He is not a racists. I am tired of people talking about Trump like he is some KKK member from the deep south 70 years ago. He is a New York business man for crying out loud, who has been in the public eye and dealing with people for 40 years without these accusations.

These tactics by liberals are unscrupulous and downright lies. They call him a fascist when their propaganda, indoctrination, and absolute refusal of any opposition opinions are the roots of fascism. They have become completely unhinged.

I don't like everything Trump does or says but I am willing to give him a chance. All this overreaction and he's only been in office a month and hasn't even done anything yet! What I like is he's an outsider, not an entrenched part of the corrupt government establishment. I like that we wants to improve the economy, lower taxes, and reduce regulations. He wants to improve our security, military and national defense. He wants to improve our inner cities, and infrastructure. Stop protesting and stonewalling and complaining.

Personally, I've seen my neighborhood decimated by an increase in crime and gangs. I had my car stolen. I have not gotten a raise in 7 years while my rent has gone up significantly over the same period of time, and my medical insurance premiums have gone up and my deductible has gone from $250 to $2000.

Hillary Clinton was a disciple of Saul Alinsky's, her campaign colluded to be anointed the Democratic nominee, was provided with debate questions, paid protesters to cause violence in Chicago to frame Trump supporters, and you don't hear anything about it.

I'm also tired of this narrative that America is this evil empire. If we are so terrible why do people WANT to come here? The dirty deeds of our past are admittedly ugly, but not unique to nations of power throughout history. What is unique is that America ended slavery, and has proceeded to liberate and empower more people throughout the world than any other civilization.

I, like ALOT of Americans, believe in CAPITALISM, LIBERTY, FREEDOM, a LIMITED federal government, separation of powers, a strong military, and as much choice and power as possible staying at the local level of state, county and most importantly the INDIVIDUAL. I want to earn what I keep and keep what I earn, and I want the government and media to stop telling what to think and stay out of my business.

http://blackamericansfortrump.net/index.php/2016/09/10/jesse-jackson-praised-trump-in-1999-for-lifetime-of-helping-african-american-community/

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https://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

Trump is a bully, a bigot and a liar.

On top of that, he mocks the disabled, sexually abuses women, stiffs small businesses who work for him, calls Americans who didn’t support him “the opposition,” talks about African Americans like they are second-class citizens, signs an executive order making it easier to pollute our rivers and streams, disparages immigrants and Muslims, says that he’s cool with a nuclear arms race, calls our free press “the enemy,” selects the wealthiest, most inexperienced, most uninformed cabinet ever, has failed to provide his tax returns, has some questionable ties with Russia and Putin, etc.

If those things are all right with you. Cool. They are not all right with me.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. The truth is the leftists ones who implement bullying tactics shouting people down calling names and physically preventing people from speaking, blocking roads, beating people up, damaging property.

Obama and Hillary both referred to republicans as the "enemy", and of course the famous "basket of deplorable" comment...

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-has-no-regrets-about-calling-republicans-her-enemy-they-say-terrible-things-about-me-2/

Beyond that Trump does not disparage immigrants or the disabled. He HAS NOT sexually assaulted women, which Bill Clinton in fact has. Everyone seems to have forgotten that Bill Clinton was impeached.

The left are the racists holding African Americans to a lower standard entrenched in a perpetual welfare state and existence in sub par schools and communities.

http://blackamericansfortrump.net

The government is such a mess maybe bringing in people who are successful in the private sector to replace corrupt career political hacks isn't such a bad idea.