Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV

[Rafael122]

Caps win has me unhappy with mediocrity.

Lets blow this thing up lol

They kept the core. Ovi, Backstrom, etc. But they've pretty much hit on the majority of their draft picks

[80sballboy]

Caps win has me unhappy with mediocrity.

Lets blow this thing up lol

They kept the core. Ovi, Backstrom, etc. But they've pretty much hit on the majority of their draft picks

Yeah, I thought they would blow it up last year but they kept most of their top guys aside from Alzner and Johanssen. Even GMBM said the window was closing last year and he didn't do anything major. And he was right not to make major moves. Biggest addition was adding DSP.

[NatP4]

Biggest change was just Crosby/Malkin/Letang getting old and Vegas stealing MAF lol

[Ruzious]

One can dream:

Ball, Ingram, 25th overall, Deng

For

Wall, Gortat

Deng's contract is so bad (and still has 2 years left), the Lakers might figure a way to do that.

[JWizmentality]

One can dream:

Ball, Ingram, 25th overall, Deng

For

Wall, Gortat

Deng's contract is so bad (and still has 2 years left), the Lakers might figure a way to do that.

Eww. Ball an even crappier shooting, less athletic version of Wall.

Also you forgot to add Lavar to the deal.

[FAH1223]

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[NatP4]

One can dream:

Ball, Ingram, 25th overall, Deng

For

Wall, Gortat

Deng's contract is so bad (and still has 2 years left), the Lakers might figure a way to do that.

Eww. Ball an even crappier shooting, less athletic version of Wall.

Also you forgot to add Lavar to the deal.

Ball is going to be a triple double machine in his prime. He has the “it” factor and is already a great defender, which is a great indicator of future success for young players IMO. 10-7-7-2-1 per36 in his rookie season.

Add Ingram to the deal, who has improved massively over the last year and looks like a future star+the cap relief we would get in two years, seems like a no brainer for us. Ingram averaged 17-6-4-1-1 per 36 on .536 TS% as a 20 year old.

[BigA]

I'm not going to delve into the basketball portion of this discussion at this point because I have a bigger point to make:

I'm sorry ---- and this is a part of my mental makeup ---- but I refuse to buy into the idea that there's no hope. Your expressing what I'd call a losers mentality. Maybe it works well in business where the bottom line matters the most but for sports, your analysis and outlook is disappointing and regrettable. Your basically saying what's the point in competing over the next five years? What an awful way to think in terms of competition.

What if the Caps thought like this after losing key pieces in FA and looking like a inferior team compared to last year most of this season?

What if Maryland Baltimore County paid attention to the stats that showed they had a 0.1% chance of beating Virginia?

What if LeBron looked at his Cavs roster and said there's no way i can win the East this year with this bunch?

You do not have a crystal ball. You cannot predict the future. You cannot tell me with 100% certainty that Philadelphia will be better over the next 5 years than the Wizards.

That's why we actually play the game and not determine winners by statistics.

Fair enough. I think I have to accept this criticism. Not, as you say, of the basketball portion, but I don't want to be a downer. & in fact, it's not at all part of my nature. So, you have my apologies, Dat.

That said, I'd like at least to say what my motivation is: I'd like to compete for a title. Hence, when I see people saying that our players are better than they are, or whatever of that kind, what it tells me is that we're willing to put off contending in order to have a better opinion of our own team than is warranted.

I remember in Ted's famous -- or should I now call it "infamous" -- ten point plan he said something like "when you see that you can't contend, don't fool yourself or hesitate: rebuild."

So that's where I'm coming from. But, of course, I don't have to insist on that POV at all times or belabor it. I'll try to do better. Thanks for pointing it out, dat.

So this exchange helped me clarify some things in my own mind about how I read the Wizboard.

I don't want to be negative. I want to have hope. I started getting hopeful during "everybody eats," thinking that maybe the team has the talent and capability to continue improving toward contender status. I read Dat2U's posts and think, "hey, there's a realistic pathway for them, barring continuation of the curse in the form of injuries, etc." The size of John's contract doesn't give them much margin for error, but it's possible.

Then I realize that the current ownership/management is never going to actually implement anything close to what Dat2U is outlining here. Then I read John's exit interview and am struck with the lack of self-awareness. Not that he's a bad guy, or that I'm not going to root for him, etc. But this is not the attitude and level of awareness that I want from the guy that's going to be making 35 % of the cap. I have just about lost hope that John will improve in ways that will overcome or even largely compensate for the physical decline that we know is coming.

And the Wizards and John Wall are attached at the hip. Despite the trades that are floated here, he's not going anywhere.

So I'm back in the negative camp.

[Ruzious]

Deng's contract is so bad (and still has 2 years left), the Lakers might figure a way to do that.

Eww. Ball an even crappier shooting, less athletic version of Wall.

Also you forgot to add Lavar to the deal.

Ball is going to be a triple double machine in his prime. He has the “it” factor and is already a great defender, which is a great indicator of future success for young players IMO. 10-7-7-2-1 per36 in his rookie season.

Add Ingram to the deal, who has improved massively over the last year and looks like a future star+the cap relief we would get in two years, seems like a no brainer for us. Ingram averaged 17-6-4-1-1 per 36 on .536 TS% as a 20 year old.

Yeah, and most rookie PG's go through problems. Ball started off terribly, and then played very well for a good stretch before getting injured and finishing poorly - likely because he wasn't 100%. He may not become a supastar, but he'll be a very good starting PG - provided he has good health and his father focuses on his other kids.

[NatP4]

Eww. Ball an even crappier shooting, less athletic version of Wall.

Also you forgot to add Lavar to the deal.

Ball is going to be a triple double machine in his prime. He has the “it” factor and is already a great defender, which is a great indicator of future success for young players IMO. 10-7-7-2-1 per36 in his rookie season.

Add Ingram to the deal, who has improved massively over the last year and looks like a future star+the cap relief we would get in two years, seems like a no brainer for us. Ingram averaged 17-6-4-1-1 per 36 on .536 TS% as a 20 year old.

Yeah, and most rookie PG's go through problems. Ball started off terribly, and then played very well for a good stretch before getting injured and finishing poorly - likely because he wasn't 100%. He may not become a supastar, but he'll be a very good starting PG - provided he has good health and his father focuses on his other kids.

Yep, I’m not Ball or Lakers fan, but if there’s one thing you can write off, it’s efficiency issues in young point guards. Ball reads the game well and is extremely unselfish. Does whatever it takes to win. Not sure what the term “superstar” really means, because I don’t think he will ever be that unstoppable scorer that creates his own shot at will, but a triple double machine that plays great defense (3rd in DRPM for point guards) and has all the intangibles could very well place him around the top of the league in terms of impact. We saw the scoring in college, 55%, 41% from 3, it will eventually translate.

I think he’s as good as any young point guard in the NBA.

[Dark Faze]

Lonzo shot .45% from FT. He's going to have to show a lot in regards to offensive improvement in the coming years. You can succeed with those type of players, but it's not the ideal type of player you'd like to develop at the position with the way the league is trending.

[Ruzious]

Lonzo shot .45% from FT. He's going to have to show a lot in regards to offensive improvement in the coming years. You can succeed with those type of players, but it's not the ideal type of player you'd like to develop at the position with the way the league is trending.

His shooting will be fine - and he'll get to the line a lot more. Point guards typically take several years to develop. Steve Nash is a good example. He shot 36.3% from the field in his 3rd NBA season. He was meh his first 4 seasons - averaging under 10 points a game each year before exploding in year 5. And he played 4 years of college ball; Ball played 1.

[80sballboy]

Lonzo shot .45% from FT. He's going to have to show a lot in regards to offensive improvement in the coming years. You can succeed with those type of players, but it's not the ideal type of player you'd like to develop at the position with the way the league is trending.

His shooting will be fine - and he'll get to the line a lot more. Point guards typically take several years to develop. Steve Nash is a good example. He shot 36.3% from the field in his 3rd NBA season. He was meh his first 4 seasons - averaging under 10 points a game each year before exploding in year 5. And he played 4 years of college ball; Ball played 1.

He shot 67.1% from the line in college and 55.1% from the field. It's possible that he just wasn't ready mentally for the grind of the NBA and add in his brother's troubles in China, his mother's health, his father's mouth and reality show, the pressure of being a rookie point guard with the Lakers, injuries and now he's going to be a father, that's a bigger load than a normal rookie has to carry.

He'll be fine.

[NatP4]

He shot 73% from 2 in college and 41% from 3. All rookie PGs struggle with efficiency, it’s just how it is.

Rookie TS%:

Wall: .494

Fultz: .416
Smith Jr: .473
Ntilikina: .437
Fox: .478
Dunn: .432
Murray: .503

Ball: .444

His NCAA TS% was almost .100 points higher than Trae Young.

[80sballboy]

More on Mitchell Robinson. Risk/reward?
https://www.bulletsforever.com/2018/6/11/17443728/2018-nba-draft-mitchell-robinson-washington-wizards

[queridiculo]

With Young, McGee and Blatche the Wizards have had enough flakes to last them a lifetime. I wish Robinson all the best, but I hope it's not with the Wizards that he attempts to put his life in order to find some direction.

[queridiculo]

Caps win has me unhappy with mediocrity.

Lets blow this thing up lol

They kept the core. Ovi, Backstrom, etc. But they've pretty much hit on the majority of their draft picks

The Capitals also had a legit generational talent as part of their core in Ovechkin and a legit star in Backes, and when you look at how the Caps have leveraged the draft in comparison to the Wizards, any parallels drawn between the teams quickly turn into a joke.

That's before you look at how dominant the Caps have been during the regular season over the past decade.

Back to back President's Trophies, and only the Blackhawks and Penguins with a combined 6 titles come close in points earned over that timeframe.

At no point have the Wizards EVER been anywhere close to the level of success the Capitals have sustained for almost the entire duration of Ovechkin's career in Washington.

[payitforward]

...All rookie PGs struggle with efficiency, it’s just how it is...

Wall: .494
Fultz: .416
Smith Jr: .473
Ntilikina: .437
Fox: .478
Dunn: .432
Murray: .503
Ball: .444...

Ben Simmons: .557
Donovan Mitchell: .541
Josh Hart: .596 (he's a 2, I know... )

[WallStar]

Wilbon makes a case for Lebron to DC

https://theundefeated.com/features/washington-d-c-is-the-stage-large-enough-to-fit-lebron-james/

[Dark Faze]

The Mocks are all over the place. This might be a wild draft night.