Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread

[nate33]

I'll be super satisfied if Tommy ships Mahinmi for an asset, and maybe bring back Jabari.

How in the world could he ship Mahinmi for an asset? Mahinmi is a $15.4M dead weight contract. The only way to get an asset back would be if that asset has a long, bad deal or if we attached picks - neither of which is a good idea.

[montestewart]

I'll be super satisfied if Tommy ships Mahinmi for an asset, and maybe bring back Jabari.

How in the world could he ship Mahinmi for an asset? Mahinmi is a $15.4M dead weight contract. The only way to get an asset back would be if that asset has a long, bad deal or if we attached picks - neither of which is a good idea.

Still, you gotta admit you'd be super satisfied if he did.

Mahinmi was part of the amazing plan C team that came on board after the Warriors signed Durant and the Celtics signed Horford. Durant has since signed with the Nets, and Horford with the Sixers. And Mahinmi, the "What in the Hell are You Douen? from Rouen" is still here.

[pcbothwel]

I'll be super satisfied if Tommy ships Mahinmi for an asset, and maybe bring back Jabari.

How in the world could he ship Mahinmi for an asset? Mahinmi is a $15.4M dead weight contract. The only way to get an asset back would be if that asset has a long, bad deal or if we attached picks - neither of which is a good idea.

Exactly. One of Ian or Howard had to go, and Howard was the easier to move with Mahinmi being a great fit as a backup/3rd Center. He's a hard worker, great teammate, and can be used in specific matchups to shut down certain bigs.
Simple. No need to trade him or buy him out.

[closg00]

I think Tommy would have been wise to kept some of his powder dry and lookout for poaching opportunities coming out of SL, there are going to be some finds there

[payitforward]

I'll be super satisfied if Tommy ships Mahinmi for an asset, and maybe bring back Jabari.

How in the world could he ship Mahinmi for an asset? Mahinmi is a $15.4M dead weight contract. The only way to get an asset back would be if that asset has a long, bad deal or if we attached picks - neither of which is a good idea.

Still, you gotta admit you'd be super satisfied if he did....

LOL...

[JWizmentality]

Looks like Jabari's going to ATL. I'm not quite sure how he fits there but sad to see him go. Bench is going to be brutal next year. Let's see what these young guys can do I guess. Tommy putting his stamp on the team cleaning house of all Ernie's moves except for Bryant which was probably Tommy's idea. Should be a big target on Ian now. Just waive him.

[Rainwater]

Jabari is not a good fit in ATL

[Eli Babak]

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I would've been fine with this contract. Hopefully we draft a stud with that 2023 2nd...

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Not interested but decided to share this. Denver traded 13th pick (Mitchell) for Lydon/Lyles and now both of them are gone.

[nate33]

I think Jabari at that price would have been a good signing. I would have paid a bit more in order to get a team option on Year 2 (or Year 3).

[SUPERBALLMAN]

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I would've been fine with this contract. Hopefully we draft a stud with that 2023 2nd...

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Not interested but decided to share this. Denver traded 13th pick (Mitchell) for Lydon/Lyles and now both of them are gone.

I'm definitely interested in Lyles. I liked him out of college, highly skilled, versatile, athletic, and only 23. I think he still probably has some untapped potential.

[closg00]

I'd rather have Jabari @ $6M per year rather than Ish for the same, I realize that's a back-handed compliment.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I'd rather have Jabari @ $6M per year rather than Ish for the same, I realize that's a back-handed compliment.

Yeah I am surprised the didn't keep Jabari at that price. He played pretty well in the 6th man scorer off the bench role, and still has upside.

[pcbothwel]

I'm definitely interested in Lyles. I liked him out of college, highly skilled, versatile, athletic, and only 23. I think he still probably has some untapped potential.

Lyles has an intruiging blend of skills. He was a top 20-25 PF in the NBA at 22, but not even top 60 at 23.

It all depends on his shooting. He can defend/switch, rebound, etc. about as well as other players with his similar build/skill set (Siakim, Aminu, Isaac, Thad Young)

Worth a shot on the cheap

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I'm definitely interested in Lyles. I liked him out of college, highly skilled, versatile, athletic, and only 23. I think he still probably has some untapped potential.

Lyles has an intruiging blend of skills. He was a top 20-25 PF in the NBA at 22, but not even top 60 at 23.

It all depends on his shooting. He can defend/switch, rebound, etc. about as well as other players with his similar build/skill set (Siakim, Aminu, Isaac, Thad Young)

Worth a shot on the cheap

As a rookie he shot 38% on 3s in 80 games, dipped to 32% the next year, then back to 38%, before major drop last year. The ability is there for sure.

I'd be interested in a Lyles/Hachimura frontcourt, athletic, long, and versatile. Bryant down low... Now you got Bertans and TBJ off the bench, that could be good.


Smith / IT / Bonga
Beal / Miles / Jones
Hachimura / TBJ / Admiral
Lyles / Bertans
Bryant / Wagner / Mahinmi

This group has a lot of versatility... Hachimura can slide to the 4, Wagner to the 4, Lyles to the 5, TBJ to the 2 or point, Miles to the 3, Admiral to the 2, etc...

But I am intrigued by that starting 5 potential, and can come off the bench with some shooting in Thomas, Miles, Bertans, with some D in TBJ, Jones, & Mahinmi, some major effort guys in Schofield and Wagner, etc.

[nate33]

I'm definitely interested in Lyles. I liked him out of college, highly skilled, versatile, athletic, and only 23. I think he still probably has some untapped potential.

Lyles has an intruiging blend of skills. He was a top 20-25 PF in the NBA at 22, but not even top 60 at 23.

It all depends on his shooting. He can defend/switch, rebound, etc. about as well as other players with his similar build/skill set (Siakim, Aminu, Isaac, Thad Young)

Worth a shot on the cheap

It would have to be real cheap. We only have $3.5M left of the MLE, some of which is going to pay for Schofield.

I guess we have the BAE as well.

[payitforward]

I wish Jabari a lot of luck. I'd be happy for him to thrive. Too low a likelihood for us to invest in him IMO.

Lyles had his best year in 2017-18. But I can't see how he was one of the top 25 PFs that year. In any case, I can't see him as a target for us either.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

That's all we have?? There has to be a way to do it.

Here is an article from ARMCHAIR ALL AMERICANS speculating a trade scenario last season Oubre for Lyles...

Trey Lyles PF Denver Nuggets
Trey Lyles would be able to come in for the Wizards and immediately be a legitimate stretch four. Per 36 minutes, Lyles shot .381 percent from three with 5.6 attempts per game this season for the Denver Nuggets. The young man is just 22 years old and a decent rebounder. He’d bring some much needed shooting and youth to the Wizards front court. Lyles also showed some ability to put the ball on the floor and get to the basket if the defense closes too hard. It likely wouldn’t take much to get Lyles from the Nuggets. He played just 19 minutes per game for the Nuggets this season with under 10 points a night. He’s currently sitting behind Paul Millsap and Nikola Jokic in the front court rotation. Wilson Chandler transitioning to more of a stretch four role off the bench also diminishes minutes that would be there for Lyles. In Washington he’d get more time, leading to more production.

Financially, a straight up Lyles for Kelly Oubre swap would work for both teams. Both players have a year remaining on their contracts before entering restricted free agency. Oubre could possibly fill the role that Chandler doesn’t quite fit anymore for Denver. They’re the same age and would both fill a need for their new teams

[trast66]

Zach Lowe article today:

General loser-ish-ness: Washington Wizards

Just over two calendar years ago, the Washington Wizards were one Kelly Olynyk outburst from the Eastern Conference finals. Now they are basically tanking, though they have Beal, which amounts to holding Beal hostage. Players have only so many NBA minutes in them. It is such a shame that Beal -- who led the league in minutes last season -- might have to waste 3,000 more carrying this sorry roster.

In mid-December, Washington traded a young player (Oubre) for an adult in the room (Trevor Ariza) to save their unraveling season. Six weeks later, the Wizards gave up by dealing Porter.

Their payroll is so bloated, they had to pass on re-signing potentially useful players -- Portis and Satoransky -- in favor of cheaper deals to Thomas Bryant (promising!), Ish Smith and Isaiah Thomas.

They didn't have the flexibility to hunt blue-chip future picks in salary dumps the way Memphis and Atlanta did. Instead, they gathered fringe prospects and second-round picks in junior versions of those deals. That is something -- a reversal of past pick hemorrhaging, assuming ownership does not mandate the sale of all those second-rounders.

[prime1time]

Zach Lowe article today:

General loser-ish-ness: Washington Wizards

Just over two calendar years ago, the Washington Wizards were one Kelly Olynyk outburst from the Eastern Conference finals. Now they are basically tanking, though they have Beal, which amounts to holding Beal hostage. Players have only so many NBA minutes in them. It is such a shame that Beal -- who led the league in minutes last season -- might have to waste 3,000 more carrying this sorry roster.

In mid-December, Washington traded a young player (Oubre) for an adult in the room (Trevor Ariza) to save their unraveling season. Six weeks later, the Wizards gave up by dealing Porter.

Their payroll is so bloated, they had to pass on re-signing potentially useful players -- Portis and Satoransky -- in favor of cheaper deals to Thomas Bryant (promising!), Ish Smith and Isaiah Thomas.

They didn't have the flexibility to hunt blue-chip future picks in salary dumps the way Memphis and Atlanta did. Instead, they gathered fringe prospects and second-round picks in junior versions of those deals. That is something -- a reversal of past pick hemorrhaging, assuming ownership does not mandate the sale of all those second-rounders.

I feel like Zach Lowe is being kind of extreme here to be honest. Did anyone call out the Lakers for not trading Kobe? The Magic for not trading T-Mac? The Wizards have to do what's best for the organization. If Brad is in then he is in. If he's out then we'll move him. Hopefully he calls out every team that doesn't trade away a young star because they are not going to compete for a championship for a season or two.

If someone wants Beal they better be ready to offer a Paul George or Anthony Davis esque deal. What does Beal represents a chance for a 1 star team to win a championship. I want a young promising player and 4 or 5 first round draft picks and 2 pick swaps.

[Rainwater]

Zach Lowe article today:

General loser-ish-ness: Washington Wizards

Just over two calendar years ago, the Washington Wizards were one Kelly Olynyk outburst from the Eastern Conference finals. Now they are basically tanking, though they have Beal, which amounts to holding Beal hostage. Players have only so many NBA minutes in them. It is such a shame that Beal -- who led the league in minutes last season -- might have to waste 3,000 more carrying this sorry roster.

In mid-December, Washington traded a young player (Oubre) for an adult in the room (Trevor Ariza) to save their unraveling season. Six weeks later, the Wizards gave up by dealing Porter.

Their payroll is so bloated, they had to pass on re-signing potentially useful players -- Portis and Satoransky -- in favor of cheaper deals to Thomas Bryant (promising!), Ish Smith and Isaiah Thomas.

They didn't have the flexibility to hunt blue-chip future picks in salary dumps the way Memphis and Atlanta did. Instead, they gathered fringe prospects and second-round picks in junior versions of those deals. That is something -- a reversal of past pick hemorrhaging, assuming ownership does not mandate the sale of all those second-rounders.

I feel like Zach Lowe is being kind of extreme here to be honest. Did anyone call out the Lakers for not trading Kobe? The Magic for not trading T-Mac? The Wizards have to do what's best for the organization. If Brad is in then he is in. If he's out then we'll move him. Hopefully he calls out every team that doesn't trade away a young star because they are not going to compete for a championship for a season or two.

If someone wants Beal they better be ready to offer a Paul George or Anthony Davis esque deal. What does Beal represents a chance for a 1 star team to win a championship. I want a young promising player and 4 or 5 first round draft picks and 2 pick swaps.

Huge T-MAC fan here and the magic did trade T-Mac. At some point you have to pick winning or rebuilding.