Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

JV pretty much a lock to the Lakers now right?
Gabe and a first for JV.

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The Lakers just got Luka Doncic for one, singular first. The only 1st JV is netting this team is a 1st edition Charzard Pokemon card.

[AFM]

Meh. Think I’m done with the NBA fellas. Luka to the Lakers for that dog **** return? LOL. Wiz will never be relevant. This **** is worse than the EPL. LeBron doing everything his pathetic ass can to try and win a title. There was ZERO reason for Luka to go to the lakers. This **** is all just entertainment. Barely above the wwe.

I totally agree. It's an entertainment product first.

[gambitx777]

JV pretty much a lock to the Lakers now right?
Gabe and a first for JV.

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The Lakers just got Luka Doncic for one, singular first. The only 1st JV is netting this team is a 1st edition Charzard Pokemon card.

Yeah you can't really say that. AD and Christie were obviously valued high by the Mavs. So while yes one first being exchanged here seems like not a lot it's super star for super star. And added value was given to the side giving up Luke ala Christie and a first.

But how many starting caliber centers are the Lakers gonna have the ability to go and trade for? There aren't a ton. So we might get value out of that.

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[Frichuela]

JV pretty much a lock to the Lakers now right?
Gabe and a first for JV.

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The Lakers just got Luka Doncic for one, singular first. The only 1st JV is netting this team is a 1st edition Charzard Pokemon card.

[Benjammin]

Didn't the Knicks trade like 5 first round picks or something for Bridges?

[gambitx777]

JV pretty much a lock to the Lakers now right?
Gabe and a first for JV.

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The Lakers just got Luka Doncic for one, singular first. The only 1st JV is netting this team is a 1st edition Charzard Pokemon card.

This is obviously a unicorn situation and should not be used to judge the trade market on really any one.

Like we are acting like AD isn't in the trade and he isn't a top 10-15 player in the league when he's dialed in and healthy.

So let's try to get the valuation
So the bridges trade comes up a lot. That wasn't a star for star that was a high level starter for a filler contract.
So he got 5 firsts a swap and a second.
Let's say the nicks over paid a bit for what ever reason.like the second and the swap was added for something and some of those pics weren't premium picks.

So let's say bridges real valuation was 3-4 firsts and stuff and they over paid.

So what's AD worth? 6 and stuff? Maybe they had Christie evaluated at a first. He's 21 and on one of the best contracts in the league. To add a come aprison Deni got 2 firsts and 2 seconds. Then they added one unprotected first.

So what's the valuation of that package 8 firsts and stuff ?

So you could say they traded Luka for a package worth 8 firsts and stuff. I'm not saying that's what that valuation should be but is that what the Mavs had it at.
Maybe they just really like AD. Idk what the answer is

Devil's advocate stops here.

Why didn't they shop Luka? Like there aha to be something cuz like what would the rockets have given you for Luka? Sac? OKC ? GS? Orlando? Grizz? Pels? SA? Rockets ? What the **** would the bidding war have gotten them. All of those teams could have put paced the Lakers in price.

But by all accounts no one knew? Bron? Luka? No one knew?

The whole things fishy.

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[tontoz]

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

The Lakers just got Luka Doncic for one, singular first. The only 1st JV is netting this team is a 1st edition Charzard Pokemon card.

This is obviously a unicorn situation and should not be used to judge the trade market on really any one.

Like we are acting like AD isn't in the trade and he isn't a top 10-15 player in the league when he's dialed in and healthy.

So let's try to get the valuation
So the bridges trade comes up a lot. That wasn't a star for star that was a high level starter for a filler contract.
So he got 5 firsts a swap and a second.
Let's say the nicks over paid a bit for what ever reason.like the second and the swap was added for something and some of those pics weren't premium picks.

So let's say bridges real valuation was 3-4 firsts and stuff and they over paid.

So what's AD worth? 6 and stuff? Maybe they had Christie evaluated at a first. He's 21 and on one of the best contracts in the league. To add a come aprison Deni got 2 firsts and 2 seconds. Then they added one unprotected first.

So what's the valuation of that package 8 firsts and stuff ?

So you could say they traded Luka for a package worth 8 firsts and stuff. I'm not saying that's what that valuation should be but is that what the Mavs had it at.
Maybe they just really like AD. Idk what the answer is

Devil's advocate stops here.

Why didn't they shop Luka? Like there aha to be something cuz like what would the rockets have given you for Luka? Sac? OKC ? GS? Orlando? Grizz? Pels? SA? Rockets ? What the **** would the bidding war have gotten them. All of those teams could have put paced the Lakers in price.

But by all accounts no one knew? Bron? Luka? No one knew?

The whole things fishy.

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Yeah I don't think following the masterstroke Lakers following up with a JV trade. This to me looks like a long-term play by Lakers and they might punt on this season, especially if James is on the move too.

[gambitx777]

This is obviously a unicorn situation and should not be used to judge the trade market on really any one.

Like we are acting like AD isn't in the trade and he isn't a top 10-15 player in the league when he's dialed in and healthy.

So let's try to get the valuation
So the bridges trade comes up a lot. That wasn't a star for star that was a high level starter for a filler contract.
So he got 5 firsts a swap and a second.
Let's say the nicks over paid a bit for what ever reason.like the second and the swap was added for something and some of those pics weren't premium picks.

So let's say bridges real valuation was 3-4 firsts and stuff and they over paid.

So what's AD worth? 6 and stuff? Maybe they had Christie evaluated at a first. He's 21 and on one of the best contracts in the league. To add a come aprison Deni got 2 firsts and 2 seconds. Then they added one unprotected first.

So what's the valuation of that package 8 firsts and stuff ?

So you could say they traded Luka for a package worth 8 firsts and stuff. I'm not saying that's what that valuation should be but is that what the Mavs had it at.
Maybe they just really like AD. Idk what the answer is

Devil's advocate stops here.

Why didn't they shop Luka? Like there aha to be something cuz like what would the rockets have given you for Luka? Sac? OKC ? GS? Orlando? Grizz? Pels? SA? Rockets ? What the **** would the bidding war have gotten them. All of those teams could have put paced the Lakers in price.

But by all accounts no one knew? Bron? Luka? No one knew?

The whole things fishy.

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Yeah I don't think following the masterstroke Lakers following up with a JV trade. This to me looks like a long-term play by Lakers and they might punt on this season, especially if James is on the move too.

I think giving the Lakers any credit here is a bit much when by all reports this fell into palinka lap.

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[The Consiglieri]

Meh. Think I’m done with the NBA fellas. Luka to the Lakers for that dog **** return? LOL. Wiz will never be relevant. This **** is worse than the EPL. LeBron doing everything his pathetic ass can to try and win a title. There was ZERO reason for Luka to go to the lakers. This **** is all just entertainment. Barely above the wwe.

Kinda how I felt too. 1000% feels like a rigged move to save a drowning franchise. There's no world in which that trade gets done that is sane. None. Feels like the league for the third time in 15ish years, found a way to save Lakers mismanagement through a trade (Pau Gasol for nothing years earlier, Davis for a bunch of trash several years ago, now this Doncic trade). It's bad enough that they rigged the lottery to ---- over utterly hopeless franchises like ours, now they let the Lakers do a full reset a third time in 15ish years after their mismanagement insured a miserable future?

Honestly I don't care if its on the up and up or not, it 1000% feels rigged, and this is what gets people to give up on sports (like boxing), especially when its a team everyone, everywhere hates and for good reason (bull ---- one sided trades that consistently benefit them and noone else).

[gambitx777]

Meh. Think I’m done with the NBA fellas. Luka to the Lakers for that dog **** return? LOL. Wiz will never be relevant. This **** is worse than the EPL. LeBron doing everything his pathetic ass can to try and win a title. There was ZERO reason for Luka to go to the lakers. This **** is all just entertainment. Barely above the wwe.

Kinda how I felt too. 1000% feels like a rigged move to save a drowning franchise. There's no world in which that trade gets done that is sane. None. Feels like the league for the third time in 15ish years, found a way to save Lakers mismanagement through a trade (Pau Gasol for nothing years earlier, Davis for a bunch of trash several years ago, now this Doncic trade). It's bad enough that they rigged the lottery to ---- over utterly hopeless franchises like ours, now they let the Lakers do a full reset a third time in 15ish years after their mismanagement insured a miserable future?

Honestly I don't care if its on the up and up or not, it 1000% feels rigged, and this is what gets people to give up on sports (like boxing), especially when its a team everyone, everywhere hates and for good reason (bull ---- one sided trades that consistently benefit them and noone else).

It seems to wild and blatant if rigged to be rigged. I think this is just a weird wild nuts kind of thing. I think there is something buried in the back yard and they want that house sold before someone digs it up. Something screams fishy. I mean what do the Mavs know. I think it could be likely that maybe this is Mavs negligence. But if there is something fishy, they might be pulling one over on the Lakers. This is a trade where we won't know what the real situation is for a while. Also like with the rules the way they are now. If they really believe that Luka is a slob and isn't gonna care about his body or winning or playing the right way, maybe you do this now vs eating that money. Still it's wild they didn't shop him. That to me screams there is something we don't know.

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[The Consiglieri]

Oh, I agree, player consistently are interested in a handful of locale for trades: NY, Miami, LA etc, you can alwways have an utterly moronic oner, but here is what always makes it impossisble to believe. why do every single one of these trades only come to the lakers? seriously? Mega one sided moments of stupidity, or mega trades of untradable assets? The only regions that ever catch these players is LA. Full stop. Pau came to the lakers FO NOTHING, Davis came for table scraps, A young elite MVP candidate went out for a former mega stud whose now old breaking down, and from the same ----ing class as Bradley Beal (for aging falling apart reason).

It doesn't matter if it was rigged or not, the end result is a rigging of the competition since the best players always fall down the tilted table towards the Lakers, and a handful of other cities. It is like the EPL, and La Liga, eventually, no matter how great your star, you always know they're going to land in Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester, London, Liverpool, Munich, Milan etc. It's bull----, its not the way legit sports are played here, that are considered legit, for us, this is WWE, Boxing level scripted bull----.

[tontoz]

The quotes coming out of Dallas now indicate that they weren't keen on giving a supermax deal this summer to a guy who was typically out of shape and lazy on D.

Seems like Dallas initiated the trade and it just fell into the Lakers lap.

[gambitx777]

So what assets do the Lakers have left.
A 2025 second. A 2031 first and I think 3 pick sawps.

Do they go in and try to get a center ? So they try and get under the tax?

We could kelber for JV
We could use our TPE to take Gabe for stuff

Could we get that 31 that second some pick swaps idk. But these moves help get them under the tax and gets the. A center.

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[dckingsfan]

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[Kanyewest]

The Lakers just got Luka Doncic for one, singular first. The only 1st JV is netting this team is a 1st edition Charzard Pokemon card.

This is obviously a unicorn situation and should not be used to judge the trade market on really any one.

Like we are acting like AD isn't in the trade and he isn't a top 10-15 player in the league when he's dialed in and healthy.

So let's try to get the valuation
So the bridges trade comes up a lot. That wasn't a star for star that was a high level starter for a filler contract.
So he got 5 firsts a swap and a second.
Let's say the nicks over paid a bit for what ever reason.like the second and the swap was added for something and some of those pics weren't premium picks.

So let's say bridges real valuation was 3-4 firsts and stuff and they over paid.

So what's AD worth? 6 and stuff? Maybe they had Christie evaluated at a first. He's 21 and on one of the best contracts in the league. To add a come aprison Deni got 2 firsts and 2 seconds. Then they added one unprotected first.

So what's the valuation of that package 8 firsts and stuff ?

So you could say they traded Luka for a package worth 8 firsts and stuff. I'm not saying that's what that valuation should be but is that what the Mavs had it at.
Maybe they just really like AD. Idk what the answer is

Devil's advocate stops here.

Why didn't they shop Luka? Like there aha to be something cuz like what would the rockets have given you for Luka? Sac? OKC ? GS? Orlando? Grizz? Pels? SA? Rockets ? What the **** would the bidding war have gotten them. All of those teams could have put paced the Lakers in price.

But by all accounts no one knew? Bron? Luka? No one knew?

The whole things fishy.

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I'll also play devils advocate(just because I'm trying to make sense of it) . Davis might be more valuable when KD was traded, who was traded for 4 first rounders, Bridges and Cam Johnson. So that's like the equivalent of 10 first rounders.

Luka probably worth way more though from my first impressions.

Obviously, I would rather have Luk

[nate33]

The Lakers should follow up by trading Lebron for the best youngish player they can find. I'm not sure who would take the other side of that trade though. Very few win now teams have a need for a 40-year-old ball dominant player who takes plays off on defense, while having the contracts to match salaries and the young players/picks to match value.

[dckingsfan]

The Lakers should follow up by trading Lebron for the best youngish player they can find. I'm not sure who would take the other side of that trade though. Very few win now teams have a need for a 40-year-old ball dominant player who takes plays off on defense, while having the contracts to match salaries and the young players/picks to match value.

Yep, difficult and like Beal, he has a no trade clause.

But they do need a C if they are going to make a push and Jonas seems like a possible answer? Not much draft capital left though.

[dckingsfan]

Actually his large contract is a feature not a bug. He is expiring. If a team needs to burn cap to duck under the apron, his $22m will come off the books immediately. A cap strapped team can dump a high dollar player on us, freighted with picks. Only issue is the teams that need relief the most have already swapped out most of their picks.

Maybe, but trying to match his salary to other teams that want to maybe dump a smaller salary without gutting their team is difficult. We have not been seeing deals involving expirings of Brogdon's contract size. Usually they've been smaller (like Bagley).

I hope I'm wrong but I'm not seeing a market for Brogdon unless a team is desperate to unload a completely useless player.

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Okay, my post seems a bit comical after the Luka and Fox trades...

[DCZards]

The Lakers should follow up by trading Lebron for the best youngish player they can find. I'm not sure who would take the other side of that trade though. Very few win now teams have a need for a 40-year-old ball dominant player who takes plays off on defense, while having the contracts to match salaries and the young players/picks to match value.

I’m guessing there might be some win-now teams that would be interested in an all-time great who is averaging 24 pts., 9 assists, almost 8 boards and is shooting 38% from 3.

Not to mention that he’s in better condition than many 30 yr players….and has maybe the highest bball IQ ever.

A team like GS would take LeBron in a heartbeat. Imagine him setting up Steph for open shots. Problem is GS probably doesn’t have anything/anyone that the Lakers would want or salaries to match.