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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1961 » by gtn130 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:52 pm

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Everyone should read this article. It says a lot of things I've been saying, but in a much nicer way. :D
Here are some selected quotes:

Mr. Medford should be a natural ally for liberals trying to convince the country that Mr. Trump was a bad choice. But it is not working out that way. Every time Mr. Medford dips into the political debate — either with strangers on Facebook or friends in New York and Los Angeles — he comes away feeling battered by contempt and an attitude of moral superiority.

“We’re backed into a corner,” said Mr. Medford, 46, whose business teaches people to be filmmakers. “There are at least some things about Trump I find to be defensible. But they are saying: ‘Agree with us 100 percent or you are morally bankrupt. You’re an idiot if you support any part of Trump.’ ”

He added: “I didn’t choose a side. They put me on one.”



“The name calling from the left is crazy,” said Bryce Youngquist, 34, who works in sales for a tech start-up in Mountain View, Calif., a liberal enclave where admitting you voted for Mr. Trump is a little like saying in the 1950s that you were gay. “They are complaining that Trump calls people names, but they turned into some mean people.”

Mr. Youngquist stayed in the closet for months about his support for Mr. Trump. He did not put a bumper sticker on his car, for fear it would be keyed. The only place he felt comfortable wearing his Make America Great Again hat was on a vacation in China. Even dating became difficult. Many people on Tinder have a warning on their profile: “Trump supporters swipe left” — meaning, get lost.

He came out a few days before the election. On election night, a friend posted on Facebook, “You are a disgusting human being.”

“They were making me want to support him more with how irrational they were being,” Mr. Youngquist said.



Mrs. O’Connell is a registered Democrat. She voted for Bill Clinton twice. But she has drifted away from the party over what she said was a move from its middle-class economic roots toward identity politics. She remembers Mr. Clinton giving a speech about the dangers of illegal immigration. Mr. Trump was lambasted for offering some of the same ideas, she said.

“The Democratic Party has changed so much that I don’t even recognize it anymore,” she said. “These people are destroying our democracy. They are scarier to me than these Islamic terrorists. I feel absolutely disgusted with them and their antics. It strengthens people’s resolve in wanting to support President Trump. It really does.”


I thought the liberals are the precious snowflakes who need a safe space? Didn't realize so many Trump voters were aligned with him because liberals said mean words to them.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1962 » by nate33 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:00 pm

gtn130 wrote:I thought the liberals are the precious snowflakes who need a safe space? Didn't realize so many Trump voters were aligned with him because liberals said mean words to them.

If that's all you take away from the article, that's fine with me. I'm looking forward to a Republican landslide in the midterms.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1963 » by sfam » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:22 pm

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verbal8 wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/swedes-scratch-heads-trumps-suggestion-major-incident-121438182--politics.html

First "Bowling Green" and then fake Sweden attacks.

Its pretty strange - the rest of the world is going to have to come to grips with the idea our President isn't interested in even basic factual accuracy.

This will matter the moment the next world crisis comes along, and Trump will have to make a speech to the world, as is regular for a US President. It will be interesting to see the response. Will anyone believe him, whether or not he's speaking important truths?

It really is amazing that the President of the United States is getting his situational awareness from Fox News, not the multi-hundred billion dollar intelligence outfit that reports to him.

Apparently Fox News did a segment on Friday evening on how Sweden admits more immigrants than anyone else - CNN is now playing snippets of this segment in relation to Trump's speech. In the background, they showed B-roll shots of random violence and car burning. This, literally, was the incident Trump was talking about took place in Sweden on Friday night.

The President of the US said that. Really.

Now you have the Swedish Ambassador refuting that, former Swedish PMs mocking Trump as they rightly should.

This guy has hundreds of billions of dollars of situational awareness information from anywhere in the world at his fingertips whenever he wants it. Instead he watches Tucker Carlson.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1964 » by sfam » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:27 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:This is exactly what I'm talking about. The truth is the leftists ones who implement bullying tactics shouting people down calling names and physically preventing people from speaking, blocking roads, beating people up, damaging property.

Obama and Hillary both referred to republicans as the "enemy", and of course the famous "basket of deplorable" comment...

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-has-no-regrets-about-calling-republicans-her-enemy-they-say-terrible-things-about-me-2/

Beyond that Trump does not disparage immigrants or the disabled. He HAS NOT sexually assaulted women, which Bill Clinton in fact has. Everyone seems to have forgotten that Bill Clinton was impeached.

The left are the racists holding African Americans to a lower standard entrenched in a perpetual welfare state and existence in sub par schools and communities.

http://blackamericansfortrump.net

The government is such a mess maybe bringing in people who are successful in the private sector to replace corrupt career political hacks isn't such a bad idea.


Most of this is too unhinged to respond to. Just briefly, Trump has like a 40 year history of assaulting women, and has bragged about it on video, has cheated on all of his previous wives and brags about sleeping with married women WHILE married. He even used his privilege as a pageant owner to walk in on teens changing, as well as adults - HE bragged about this. This is really not a debatable point, but feel free to stick up for President P**** grabber. A good percentage of the country will never respect a word he says specifically because of his abhorrent treatment of women.

And Trump again mocks those most vulnerable in society and again has a history of this. Disabled reporters, black tenants, you name it. Stating alt-facts to the contrary won't change actual facts about Trump's personal history.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1965 » by gtn130 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:28 pm

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gtn130 wrote:I thought the liberals are the precious snowflakes who need a safe space? Didn't realize so many Trump voters were aligned with him because liberals said mean words to them.

If that's all you take away from the article, that's fine with me. I'm looking forward to a Republican landslide in the midterms.


That article is silly and is reliant on like three anecdotes. Show me the evidence that liberals are more vitriolic than conservatives, that there aren't an equal number of idiotic spite voters on both sides.

This whole "you mean liberals don't get it!" argument is utter nonsense. Liberals don't get that there are many low-information idiots on this planet who will spite vote for a candidate because someone was mean to them? No, I get it, but I'm not going to pander to morons who don't care about any policy issues.

Hillary calling Trump supporters 'deplorables' was a terrible decision on her part - but I, gtn130, am personally NOT Hillary Clinton, and I'm not running for any office.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1966 » by JWizmentality » Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:04 pm

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SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I'm about Fed up with the over the top reaction from Democrats regarding Trump. The insults, the protests, the violence, the destruction of property, burning the flag, and absolute exaggerated hysteria, all of which is completely unfounded and unwarranted.

Trump is not anti-immigrant, his wife IS AN IMMIGRANT. He is against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, which is a principal law of our country. Being the Commander In Chief it is his job to enforce the law. Borders and laws are what makes a country a country, not just a free open area of land. He wants to keep out Terrorists. Please stop lumping LEGAL IMMIGRANTS in with law breaking ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and TERRORISTS. Legal immigrants deserve our respect.

He is not a racists. I am tired of people talking about Trump like he is some KKK member from the deep south 70 years ago. He is a New York business man for crying out loud, who has been in the public eye and dealing with people for 40 years without these accusations.

These tactics by liberals are unscrupulous and downright lies. They call him a fascist when their propaganda, indoctrination, and absolute refusal of any opposition opinions are the roots of fascism. They have become completely unhinged.

I don't like everything Trump does or says but I am willing to give him a chance. All this overreaction and he's only been in office a month and hasn't even done anything yet! What I like is he's an outsider, not an entrenched part of the corrupt government establishment. I like that we wants to improve the economy, lower taxes, and reduce regulations. He wants to improve our security, military and national defense. He wants to improve our inner cities, and infrastructure. Stop protesting and stonewalling and complaining.

Personally, I've seen my neighborhood decimated by an increase in crime and gangs. I had my car stolen. I have not gotten a raise in 7 years while my rent has gone up significantly over the same period of time, and my medical insurance premiums have gone up and my deductible has gone from $250 to $2000.

Hillary Clinton was a disciple of Saul Alinsky's, her campaign colluded to be anointed the Democratic nominee, was provided with debate questions, paid protesters to cause violence in Chicago to frame Trump supporters, and you don't hear anything about it.

I'm also tired of this narrative that America is this evil empire. If we are so terrible why do people WANT to come here? The dirty deeds of our past are admittedly ugly, but not unique to nations of power throughout history. What is unique is that America ended slavery, and has proceeded to liberate and empower more people throughout the world than any other civilization.

I, like ALOT of Americans, believe in CAPITALISM, LIBERTY, FREEDOM, a LIMITED federal government, separation of powers, a strong military, and as much choice and power as possible staying at the local level of state, county and most importantly the INDIVIDUAL. I want to earn what I keep and keep what I earn, and I want the government and media to stop telling what to think and stay out of my business.

http://blackamericansfortrump.net/index.php/2016/09/10/jesse-jackson-praised-trump-in-1999-for-lifetime-of-helping-african-american-community/



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Trump is a bully, a bigot and a liar.

On top of that, he mocks the disabled, sexually abuses women, stiffs small businesses who work for him, calls Americans who didn’t support him “the opposition,” talks about African Americans like they are second-class citizens, signs an executive order making it easier to pollute our rivers and streams, disparages immigrants and Muslims, says that he’s cool with a nuclear arms race, calls our free press “the enemy,” selects the wealthiest, most inexperienced, most uninformed cabinet ever, has failed to provide his tax returns, has some questionable ties with Russia and Putin, etc.

If those things are all right with you. Cool. They are not all right with me.



This is exactly what I'm talking about. The truth is the leftists ones who implement bullying tactics shouting people down calling names and physically preventing people from speaking, blocking roads, beating people up, damaging property.

Obama and Hillary both referred to republicans as the "enemy", and of course the famous "basket of deplorable" comment...

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-has-no-regrets-about-calling-republicans-her-enemy-they-say-terrible-things-about-me-2/

Beyond that Trump does not disparage immigrants or the disabled. He HAS NOT sexually assaulted women, which Bill Clinton in fact has. Everyone seems to have forgotten that Bill Clinton was impeached.

The left are the racists holding African Americans to a lower standard entrenched in a perpetual welfare state and existence in sub par schools and communities.

http://blackamericansfortrump.net

The government is such a mess maybe bringing in people who are successful in the private sector to replace corrupt career political hacks isn't such a bad idea.


And this is why I don't engage with conservatives anymore. You point out any contradictions and you're a bully, leftist, elitist etc. If memory serves correct, Obama was branded "the enemy" before he even stepped into office and you made no bones about the objective being to obstruct him at every turn...but I'm sure you have an alternative reality to that also. So whatever. Trump can shoot someone in the face and you would still support him. The most poignant thing he's ever said.

The laughable notion of you on here lecturing people about being corrupt and bullies. A Trump supporter. You don't know diddly squat about Trump.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1967 » by sfam » Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:45 pm

The intel community had to make videos for Reagan to pay attention to intel briefings. Perhaps the Intel community should make a cable news channel only available in the white house. They could have a schedule of regular classified TV shows on each area of the world, with staged policy fights to ramp up the drama.

If this is how Trump takes in information, the intel community may have to adjust.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1968 » by sfam » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:27 pm

More about loyalty over competence. For those that don't know, DC is filled with off-the-record roundtables. These are like literally what those in the policy world spend a good bit of their time doing. The main thing is open conversation leads to actual discussion of the issues.

It was in this context, that an NSC director was dismissed over loyalty concerns.

The White House abruptly dismissed a senior National Security Council aide on Friday after receiving reports that he had publicly laced into the president and his senior aides, including son-in-law Jared Kushner and daughter Ivanka Trump at an event hosted by a Washington think tank.

The aide, Craig Deare, was serving as the NSC's senior director for Western Hemisphere Affairs. Earlier in the week, at a private, off-the-record roundtable hosted by the Woodrow Wilson Center for a group of about two dozen scholars, Deare harshly criticized the president and his chief strategist Steve Bannon and railed against the dysfunction paralyzing the Trump White House, according to a source familiar with the situation...


Bottom line, nobody in the national security establishment thinks its a good idea to add permanent political advisors. Firing them for stating this in off-the-record policy conversations isn't helpful, especially when Trump can't find anyone to take his jobs. He's not even finding folks to ask!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1969 » by nate33 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:50 pm

sfam wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:This is exactly what I'm talking about. The truth is the leftists ones who implement bullying tactics shouting people down calling names and physically preventing people from speaking, blocking roads, beating people up, damaging property.

Obama and Hillary both referred to republicans as the "enemy", and of course the famous "basket of deplorable" comment...

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-has-no-regrets-about-calling-republicans-her-enemy-they-say-terrible-things-about-me-2/

Beyond that Trump does not disparage immigrants or the disabled. He HAS NOT sexually assaulted women, which Bill Clinton in fact has. Everyone seems to have forgotten that Bill Clinton was impeached.

The left are the racists holding African Americans to a lower standard entrenched in a perpetual welfare state and existence in sub par schools and communities.

http://blackamericansfortrump.net

The government is such a mess maybe bringing in people who are successful in the private sector to replace corrupt career political hacks isn't such a bad idea.


Most of this is too unhinged to respond to. Just briefly, Trump has like a 40 year history of assaulting women, and has bragged about it on video, has cheated on all of his previous wives and brags about sleeping with married women WHILE married. He even used his privilege as a pageant owner to walk in on teens changing, as well as adults - HE bragged about this. This is really not a debatable point, but feel free to stick up for President P**** grabber. A good percentage of the country will never respect a word he says specifically because of his abhorrent treatment of women.

And Trump again mocks those most vulnerable in society and again has a history of this. Disabled reporters, black tenants, you name it. Stating alt-facts to the contrary won't change actual facts about Trump's personal history.

Sorry sfam, you're the one that sounds a little unhinged here. The notion that Trump has a 40 year history of "assaulting women" is just outright slander. There is no question that Trump is a cad and has surely bedded a lot of women, perhaps when married, but that's a heck of a lot different than assault.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1970 » by dckingsfan » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:15 pm

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Back to the other party is more evil than my party... sigh.

That was the point of the article - until both sides stop name calling - there can be forward momentum for this country.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1971 » by gtn130 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:24 pm

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Chris Wallace taking Reince Priebus to task on Trump's assault on the free press. He makes that same allusions to dictatorship that McCain did this weekend.

Is this still just leftist hysteria, Nate?
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Post#1972 » by nate33 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:13 am

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Chris Wallace taking Reince Priebus to task on Trump's assault on the free press. He makes that same allusions to dictatorship that McCain did this weekend.

Is this still just leftist hysteria, Nate?

It's media hysteria. They are protecting their own. This doesn't surprise me.

Again, I don't want the media silenced by the force of government, but I also don't have any problems whatsoever with the President criticizing the media. The only reason the President is gaining traction and the media is so concerned is because the President is right to a degree. The media has been dishonest and horribly one-sided, particularly since 2015. They deserve all the criticism they get and I hope Trump keeps criticizing them until they start to act reasonable impartial again.
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Post#1973 » by gtn130 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:20 am

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Chris Wallace taking Reince Priebus to task on Trump's assault on the free press. He makes that same allusions to dictatorship that McCain did this weekend.

Is this still just leftist hysteria, Nate?

It's media hysteria. They are protecting their own. This doesn't surprise me.

Again, I don't want the media silenced by the force of government, but I also don't have any problems whatsoever with the President criticizing the media. The only reason the President is gaining traction and the media is so concerned is because the President is right to a degree. The media has been dishonest and horribly one-sided, particularly since 2015. They deserve all the criticism they get and I hope Trump keeps criticizing them until they start to act reasonable impartial again.


lol you're still calling it something that it's not. Trump isn't criticizing the media for their biases - he's trying to de-legitimize the media by calling them fake. You still refuse to acknowledge this distinction.

And a huge lol all around at the idea that Fox News is suddenly unified with "their own". Fox has been 99% pro-Trump since he's taken office.
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Post#1974 » by gtn130 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:32 am

Nate, why hasn't Breitbart come out and protected "their own" like Fox News did?
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Post#1975 » by nate33 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:34 am

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gtn130 wrote:
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Chris Wallace taking Reince Priebus to task on Trump's assault on the free press. He makes that same allusions to dictatorship that McCain did this weekend.

Is this still just leftist hysteria, Nate?

It's media hysteria. They are protecting their own. This doesn't surprise me.

Again, I don't want the media silenced by the force of government, but I also don't have any problems whatsoever with the President criticizing the media. The only reason the President is gaining traction and the media is so concerned is because the President is right to a degree. The media has been dishonest and horribly one-sided, particularly since 2015. They deserve all the criticism they get and I hope Trump keeps criticizing them until they start to act reasonable impartial again.


lol you're still calling it something that it's not. Trump isn't criticizing the media for their biases - he's trying to de-legitimize the media by calling them fake. You still refuse to acknowledge this distinction.

And a huge lol all around at the idea that Fox News is suddenly unified with "their own". Fox has been 99% pro-Trump since he's taken office.

It's rhetoric. "Fake News" is a much more effective insult than "I believe that the media isn't as impartial as it should be." The beauty of it is that the fake news meme was started by the media so it's all the more effective when it got turned against the media.

Get used to it. Trump uses rhetoric like Democrats do. It's akin to calling the media "racist".
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Post#1976 » by nate33 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:36 am

gtn130 wrote:Nate, why hasn't Breitbart come out and protected "their own" like Fox News did?

Because Breitbart is obviously not part of the "mainstream media". They benefit as the mainstream media is discredited.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1977 » by DCZards » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:36 am

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gtn130 wrote:
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Chris Wallace taking Reince Priebus to task on Trump's assault on the free press. He makes that same allusions to dictatorship that McCain did this weekend.

Is this still just leftist hysteria, Nate?

It's media hysteria. They are protecting their own. This doesn't surprise me.

Again, I don't want the media silenced by the force of government, but I also don't have any problems whatsoever with the President criticizing the media. The only reason the President is gaining traction and the media is so concerned is because the President is right to a degree. The media has been dishonest and horribly one-sided, particularly since 2015. They deserve all the criticism they get and I hope Trump keeps criticizing them until they start to act reasonable impartial again.


All that is fine and good. But telling the American people that the media is their "enemy" goes well beyond simply criticizing the media.

It's clear that the only media coverage that Trump would find acceptable and "honest" is coverage that is totally in the tank for him. Any media criticism of him or his administration is either "fake" or "dishonest" according to the Liar-in-Chief.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1978 » by gtn130 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:37 am

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gtn130 wrote:Nate, why hasn't Breitbart come out and protected "their own" like Fox News did?

Because Breitbart is obviously not part of the "mainstream media". They benefit as the mainstream media is discredited.


Fox News wasn't being discredited! They stand to benefit too!

Trump was calling out specific news organizations - not the totality of mainstream media. That's your own narrative.
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Post#1979 » by gtn130 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:40 am

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nate33 wrote:It's media hysteria. They are protecting their own. This doesn't surprise me.

Again, I don't want the media silenced by the force of government, but I also don't have any problems whatsoever with the President criticizing the media. The only reason the President is gaining traction and the media is so concerned is because the President is right to a degree. The media has been dishonest and horribly one-sided, particularly since 2015. They deserve all the criticism they get and I hope Trump keeps criticizing them until they start to act reasonable impartial again.


lol you're still calling it something that it's not. Trump isn't criticizing the media for their biases - he's trying to de-legitimize the media by calling them fake. You still refuse to acknowledge this distinction.

And a huge lol all around at the idea that Fox News is suddenly unified with "their own". Fox has been 99% pro-Trump since he's taken office.

It's rhetoric. "Fake News" is a much more effective insult than "I believe that the media isn't as impartial as it should be." The beauty of it is that the fake news meme was started by the media so it's all the more effective when it got turned against the media.

Get used to it. Trump uses rhetoric like Democrats do. It's akin to calling the media "racist".


What a weak rationalization. You can call literally anything 'rhetoric' if you want to.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XII 

Post#1980 » by gtn130 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:44 am

Reality is that Nate doesn't gaf about anything Trump does as long as it's consistent with helping him and his fellow white christian midwesterners at the expense of everyone else.

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