Political Roundtable Part XXII

[JWizmentality]

6-10 generations ago should not be blindly ignored though in my opinion.

Lolz. Is .0019% chance. 10 generation ago=800 year lolz.

Warren on the other hand is full of feces, she makes claims and finally comes around to take a DNA test to "prove" it, only for it to show that 6-10 generations ago, she may have had some Native American in her. Also, what the hell kind of range is 6-10? perhaps it shows that test is wonky as they say.

It's generally accepted that a generation is about 25 years, though some argue that they can go as far as 33 years.

If you assume the latter, we're talking about roughly 200 to 250 years based on the 8 generation estimate.

Not surprised that all you free thinkers lack the curiosity to like, you know, read stuff before vomiting all over the keyboard.

We're dealing with the type of people that would throw a snowball into the middle of a room and claim global warming isn't real. But it's what we have to deal with. No surprise that the majority of conservatives are uneducated. Does that make me an elitist? Sure why not. Suck it up snowflakes.

[daoneandonly]

6-10 generations ago should not be blindly ignored though in my opinion.

Lolz. Is .0019% chance. 10 generation ago=800 year lolz.

Warren on the other hand is full of feces, she makes claims and finally comes around to take a DNA test to "prove" it, only for it to show that 6-10 generations ago, she may have had some Native American in her. Also, what the hell kind of range is 6-10? perhaps it shows that test is wonky as they say.

It's generally accepted that a generation is about 25 years, though some argue that they can go as far as 33 years.

If you assume the latter, we're talking about roughly 200 to 250 years based on the 8 generation estimate.

Not surprised that all you free thinkers lack the curiosity to like, you know, read stuff before vomiting all over the keyboard.

We're dealing with the type of people that would throw a snowball into the middle of a room and claim global warming isn't real. But it's what we have to deal with. No surprise that the majority of conservatives are uneducated. Does that make me an elitist? Sure why not. Suck it up snowflakes.

It's weird right, most conservatives aren't educated, yet usually are in a higher tax bracket than the liberal counterpart. We do this weird thing called pay our own Shiz too, like go through healthcare with our employer, rather than use ACA or PP.

[JWizmentality]

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Wow Trump got **** owned. Imagine stanning for this clown president right now

Donald Trump doesn't have that kind of money.

[JWizmentality]

It's generally accepted that a generation is about 25 years, though some argue that they can go as far as 33 years.

If you assume the latter, we're talking about roughly 200 to 250 years based on the 8 generation estimate.

Not surprised that all you free thinkers lack the curiosity to like, you know, read stuff before vomiting all over the keyboard.

We're dealing with the type of people that would throw a snowball into the middle of a room and claim global warming isn't real. But it's what we have to deal with. No surprise that the majority of conservatives are uneducated. Does that make me an elitist? Sure why not. Suck it up snowflakes.

It's weird right, most conservatives aren't educated, yet usually are in a higher tax bracket than the liberal counterpart. We do this weird thing called pay our own Shiz too, like go through healthcare with our employer, rather than use ACA or PP.

Good for you bro. Post your income taxes along with your DNA test.

[queridiculo]

It's weird right, most conservatives aren't educated, yet usually are in a higher tax bracket than the liberal counterpart. We do this weird thing called pay our own Shiz too, like go through healthcare with our employer, rather than use ACA or PP.

This data is from 2016, where is your data?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/political-party-household-income/

[daoneandonly]

We're dealing with the type of people that would throw a snowball into the middle of a room and claim global warming isn't real. But it's what we have to deal with. No surprise that the majority of conservatives are uneducated. Does that make me an elitist? Sure why not. Suck it up snowflakes.

It's weird right, most conservatives aren't educated, yet usually are in a higher tax bracket than the liberal counterpart. We do this weird thing called pay our own Shiz too, like go through healthcare with our employer, rather than use ACA or PP.

Good for you bro. Post your income taxes along with your DNA test.

Don't need to post the latter, I don't need to use something that's in my bloodstream 10 generations ago (.0001% maybe) to get ahead, that's Liz's game

[verbal8]

But why? Ben Jealous was the Progressive darling, and I don’t mean that facetiously either. It seems like he had a good pedigree plus he received endorsements from both Obama and Hillary Clinton.

I don't know that endorsements typically move the needle that much, especially once your profile reaches a certain point. Who has endorsed Beto O'Rourke, Andrew Gillum or Stacey Abrams? They are good politicians who have been able to get their message out.

Hogan seems to have a coalition of Independent and Republican voters that with enough cross-over Dems keep him in power. One thing that helps him is Maryland's general election turn-out is typically pretty low.

[daoneandonly]

It's weird right, most conservatives aren't educated, yet usually are in a higher tax bracket than the liberal counterpart. We do this weird thing called pay our own Shiz too, like go through healthcare with our employer, rather than use ACA or PP.

This data is from 2016, where is your data?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/political-party-household-income/

Does this data account for the millionaire celebrities that live in Cali and NY and are all democrats? Probably so, the George Clooney's, Lebron James, Jay Z, Justin TImberlake's of the world kind of push the numbers a bit.

[queridiculo]

Don't need to post the latter, I don't need to use something that's in my bloodstream 10 generations ago (.0001% maybe) to get ahead, that's Liz's game

Is it an insult when you call somebody that makes unsubstantiated claims a dimwit, moron, idiot, dumb or stupid?

[daoneandonly]

Don't need to post the latter, I don't need to use something that's in my bloodstream 10 generations ago (.0001% maybe) to get ahead, that's Liz's game

Is it an insult when you call somebody that makes unsubstantiated claims a dimwit, moron, idiot, dumb or stupid?

It is if you clown on Trump for calling names at his age, but then again, the liberal side leans towards being the most hypocritical base in the world.

[JWizmentality]

It's weird right, most conservatives aren't educated, yet usually are in a higher tax bracket than the liberal counterpart. We do this weird thing called pay our own Shiz too, like go through healthcare with our employer, rather than use ACA or PP.

Good for you bro. Post your income taxes along with your DNA test.

Don't need to post the latter, I don't need to use something that's in my bloodstream 10 generations ago (.0001% maybe) to get ahead, that's Liz's game

Of course not, after all if Donald Trump proves anything, it's that you don't need to work hard or be semi-literate to be rich. Just need Daddy to bail you out again....and again.....and again....

[daoneandonly]

Good for you bro. Post your income taxes along with your DNA test.

Don't need to post the latter, I don't need to use something that's in my bloodstream 10 generations ago (.0001% maybe) to get ahead, that's Liz's game

Of course not, after all if Donald Trump proves anything, it's that you don't need to work hard or be semi-literate to be rich. Just need Daddy to bail you out again....and again.....and again....

You won't hear any argument from me on that, I don't like Trump, never have. I voted for him for 1 reason and 1 reason only, what he could do for the SCOTUS. And so far, mission accomplished.

[verbal8]

It's weird right, most conservatives aren't educated, yet usually are in a higher tax bracket than the liberal counterpart. We do this weird thing called pay our own Shiz too, like go through healthcare with our employer, rather than use ACA or PP.

This data is from 2016, where is your data?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/political-party-household-income/

Does this data account for the millionaire celebrities that live in Cali and NY and are all democrats? Probably so, the George Clooney's, Lebron James, Jay Z, Justin TImberlake's of the world kind of push the numbers a bit.

Usually the average in this context is the median - so outliers either zero income or millions don't have much impact on the number. The large amount of income disparity does mean that the household median income is quite a bit lower than what you would expect in from a Per Capita figure multiplied by household size.

I think people may be underestimating the reverse effect - of that Democratic policies(on average) create desirable places for businesses and employees. Generally people who could live anywhere - choose to live in expensive areas.

[daoneandonly]

This data is from 2016, where is your data?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/political-party-household-income/

Does this data account for the millionaire celebrities that live in Cali and NY and are all democrats? Probably so, the George Clooney's, Lebron James, Jay Z, Justin TImberlake's of the world kind of push the numbers a bit.

Usually the average in this context is the median - so outliers either zero income or millions don't have much impact on the number. The large amount of income disparity does mean that the household median income is quite a bit lower than what you would expect in from a Per Capita figure multiplied by household size.

I think people may be underestimating the reverse effect - of that Democratic policies(on average) create desirable places for businesses and employees. Generally people who could live anywhere - choose to live in expensive areas.

Man I really wanted to argue and blast you not just because you lean left, but because you're a Skins fan. But you have to use logic, sound, rationale arguments, kudos actually! Well said

[queridiculo]

Don't need to post the latter, I don't need to use something that's in my bloodstream 10 generations ago (.0001% maybe) to get ahead, that's Liz's game

Is it an insult when you call somebody that makes unsubstantiated claims a dimwit, moron, idiot, dumb or stupid?

It is if you clown on Trump for calling names at his age, but then again, the liberal side leans towards being the most hypocritical base in the world.

Anybody, that presents uninformed opinions as facts, irrespective of their political leanings, qualifies. Present company included.

[Pointgod]

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^^^^obama Why did Obama not understand so much about business and the economy? Oh wait, he was a fricking community organizer!! who's big "education" was mastering the words in the constitution...so like a glorified english major!! Joke!!

man, i am still salty over tat horrific economy for 7 straight years! It took almost 7 years to get back to where we were in 2008 pre crash. 7!! and he let the banks off the hook! Let them get bigger and more powerful! instead of working on the economy they instead pushed for a crumby healthcare program with the house and a super majority! idiots!! damn, i cant believe how mad i still am So many suicides in that time. So many home torn apart due to poverty. So homes lost. So many kids on food stamps and wealthfare. It was completely unnecessary if we had a better president that understood trade and big business and small business better and could stand up to bad trade deals and a bad tax system design to encourage our biggest corporations to globaize and pay their taxes in a different country or manufacture more and more of their goods overseas. We had regulations designed to crush the american economy just so foreign economies could grow! It was treasonous!!!! Those are high crimes on the american people.

^^ and even if you guys c ant admit it. Even if Obama was "your guy" and you are convinced he had your back even though he didn't do a damn thing to help you financially...but you still got his back....please please please please please do not ever be fooled by a polished well spoken politician that doesn't know what he is doing ever again. Please!! For the good of america...for the good of us all...and for the love of God, Goddess, all that is...please give us a fighting chance...and give us a "bumbling fool" like trump that understands things that move the economy any day of the week.

We cant ever have politicians that dont understand business ever again. And we cant ever have a globalist i office or in congress ever again. Please vote for Nationalists that understand trade, big business, and the tax code.

Please...please...please....i beg of you. We can stay on bull run for a decade with good immigration, good tax, and good trade policy alone. Imagine that!! 10 years of an economy like this where everyone works and wages increase!! Its possible!! And its the poor and working poor that need this economy the most!! they NEED this!! Give it to them!! Dont you guys like poor people?? Dont you?

Just thought I’d fact check STDs blatant lies. For all you guys who think he’s arguing in good faith lol

https://www.politifact.com/west-virginia/article/2018/sep/29/fact-checking-donald-trumps-rally-wheeling-wva/

That’s too high. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the United States has added 348,000 new manufacturing jobs since January 2017, when Trump took office. If you start counting instead from the time he was elected, the number rises to 378,000. That’s a significant increase, but it’s not as large as Trump said it was.

We’ll note that manufacturing jobs are only slowly recovering the ground they have lost since the 1980s, and especially after the Great Recession in 2008 and 2009.

To the extent that manufacturing employment has been increasing, it’s been doing so at a fairly steady -- if modest -- rate since 2010, including more than six years on President Barack Obama’s watch.

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/aug/27/blog-posting/black-business-ownership-didnt-increase-400-percen/

"We have found that the 400% statistic is being misrepresented in its context and therefore we have decided to pull that statistic from our info graph," public relations consultant for Guidant Stacia Kirby said in an email. "Our mission is to help people get started and funded in owning their own business."

[daoneandonly]

Is it an insult when you call somebody that makes unsubstantiated claims a dimwit, moron, idiot, dumb or stupid?

It is if you clown on Trump for calling names at his age, but then again, the liberal side leans towards being the most hypocritical base in the world.

Anybody, that presents uninformed opinions as facts, irrespective of their political leanings, qualifies. Present company included.

Presented what as facts? I stated an opinion, just like you did lumping the Warren garbage with a serious issue like kaps, saying all conservatives think a certain way, it's your opinion, nothing more

[queridiculo]

Presented what as facts? I stated an opinion, just like you did lumping the Warren garbage with a serious issue like kaps, saying all conservatives think a certain way, it's your opinion, nothing more

Don't need to post the latter, I don't need to use something that's in my bloodstream 10 generations ago (.0001% maybe) to get ahead, that's Liz's game

Moron.

[Pointgod]

There’s literally no proof that Elizabeth Warren used her Native American ancestry to get ahead in anything. That’s literally a right wing talking point that’s repeated to the masses.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Going to have to eat "some" shoe leather on Elizabeth Warren - thought she was flat-out lying on the Native American thing.

I still like her motives but hate her policy enactments.

I'd love for her to be forced to work with someone a little more nuanced in terms of understanding what it would actually take to get the effects she wants to achieve. I don't think she's particularly astute as a legislator but at the very least I trust she isn't intentionally trying to rob the public treasury somehow, which is apparently an extremely high bar for most politicians nowadays.

As for the whole Native American thing, to be honest, my opinion really doesn't change about that based on genetics overall. I'm not a big fan of the idea of throwing that kind of thing out there regardless. Lots of families have some sort of rumor running around of some sort of mixed heritage, usually stemming from some poor woman who was shamed horribly for allegedly being unfaithful or something like that (but those stories never get mixed in). Sometimes there actually is a mix, sometimes there isn't, but the reality is that regardless of what the circumstances are or aren't, the rumors exist nonetheless and I don't fault any particular individual for believing them.

I don't love that society somehow sees the reality that such stories are proven true sometimes as some sort of arbiter of who can and cannot speak to certain issues overall. For someone like Warren, even with genetic evidence, it's not like she faced the kinds of overt racism or disadvantages or anything like that. It also doesn't mean that the truth or fiction of such rumors changes her ability to advocate on behalf of Native Americans - I'd still expect her to consult and work with them regardless. I have a bigger issue when people seek out entitlements on the grounds of such rumors, completely demeaning and diluting the differentiations made and the reasons for them, but that's a separate issue.