Arenas for Vince or dump Arenas for cap space?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Get Carter and buy him out, agreed.

[507Mack]

I think it's going to happen because Wall's been anointed a savior for before he ever suits up. He's not going to have to share the ball or the lockerroom with Gil. When Ted announced EG was being retained, for me that was tantamount to saying Gil's outta here. Arenas will be traded no matter what they're feeding the media.

Aside from jettisoning the prodigal son, Gilbert Arenas, the move also saves the Wizards money. It sends Gil to a good team. It moves a broken down Vince Carter. Orlando knows he can't do it for them in the playoffs. Stan Van Gundy knows that team needs a shot in the arm.

My question is are the Magic also moving Jameer Nelson if this deal goes down?

(For the record, I believe in the long run folks are going to wish the Wizards had gotten the #2 pick. Keep Gil. Draft Turner. Have a very fun, competitive team. Instead, Wall/Carter--if it happens-- is going to be brutal to watch.)

I don't see why you think EG being retained means that Gil is outta here. Grunfeld is doing anything that Leonsis tells his Bruno-Kirby-looking-ass to do. Leonsis says he likes rebuilding through the draft, so all Grunfeld has been doing the past few days is get try to get more picks. I think Leonsis likes Arenas. He knows that with Gil, there's a potential for something special. With VC, the only thing you can expect is an embarassing choke in the playoffs. Gil ain't goin nowhere.

[507Mack]

How much additional capspace would we have if we bought out VC? Best case scenario there would be us having enough dough to sign 2 marquee free agents. Selling points are Obama, a decently sized market, and playing with John Wall. If this were to happen I'd push for a Wade/Bosh combo. I will never want the Queen.

[WizarDynasty]

All I gotta say is trading an all nba allstar for freaking vince carter..is equivalent to laying a bath tub and slitting your wrist. This is equivalent to drafting kwame brown number one overall with pau gasol going second. The only good thing will be seeing grunfeld get fired when arenas makes the allstar team and the magic win the championship with arenas and dwight howard as co mvp's. I thought leonsis had more sense this that. Mark my words arenas will lead the league in scoring..be on the allstar team for the next five years if he is shipped to the magic and the idiots here wishing to trade arenas will sulk and make excuses including grunfeld with no job after this season. That's the only joy that comes from this trade.

[RickRoll_inDC]

Not a fan of this at all. I consider it a cardinal sin to trade within the division- especially with a star player.

How are we supposed to be top in the division when we dump our star player to the best team in the division? It just doesn't make sense

[Hoopalotta]

Mike Lee's shooting this one down...

MrMichaelLee Was told Wiz & ORL talked about Arenas-Carter swap, but conversation didn't get far. One prominent player agent said, "Not going to happen."

MrMichaelLee Wiz & ORL talked about trading Gilbert Arenas for Vince Carter but there's "nothing to it now." http://bit.ly/cgzxSh

WP Insider:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizard ... l#comments

The Washington Wizards spoke with the Orlando Magic recently about a potential swap of Gilbert Arenas for Vince Carter, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation. The source added that the talks didn't get very far and that it was merely a "business as usual" exploratory conversation between teams around the NBA draft. "Nothing to it now," the source said.

Another league source vehemently shot down speculation that Magic General Manager Otis Smith is pursuing Arenas, considering their close relationship. One prominent player agent sounded less than optimistic about the possible deal. "Not going to happen," he said.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think it's going to happen because Wall's been anointed a savior for before he ever suits up. He's not going to have to share the ball or the lockerroom with Gil. When Ted announced EG was being retained, for me that was tantamount to saying Gil's outta here. Arenas will be traded no matter what they're feeding the media.

Aside from jettisoning the prodigal son, Gilbert Arenas, the move also saves the Wizards money. It sends Gil to a good team. It moves a broken down Vince Carter. Orlando knows he can't do it for them in the playoffs. Stan Van Gundy knows that team needs a shot in the arm.

My question is are the Magic also moving Jameer Nelson if this deal goes down?

(For the record, I believe in the long run folks are going to wish the Wizards had gotten the #2 pick. Keep Gil. Draft Turner. Have a very fun, competitive team. Instead, Wall/Carter--if it happens-- is going to be brutal to watch.)

I don't see why you think EG being retained means that Gil is outta here. Grunfeld is doing anything that Leonsis tells his Bruno-Kirby-looking-ass to do. Leonsis says he likes rebuilding through the draft, so all Grunfeld has been doing the past few days is get try to get more picks. I think Leonsis likes Arenas. He knows that with Gil, there's a potential for something special. With VC, the only thing you can expect is an embarassing choke in the playoffs. Gil ain't goin nowhere.

Resemblance? Yes.



R.I.P. Bruno

[yungal07]

Not a fan of this at all. I consider it a cardinal sin to trade within the division- especially with a star player.

How are we supposed to be top in the division when we dump our star player to the best team in the division? It just doesn't make sense

Our star player is John Wall. Not Arenas. We build around Wall, and find players that mesh well with his style of play. Trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, i.e. trying to play Gilbert at the 2, will NOT work.

[Kanyewest]

Considering that John Wall has a ridiculous wingspan at 6 foot 9" (bigger than someone like Evan Turner's 6 foot 7) and he can play really good defense, he can probably guard shooting guards better than Vince Carter. BTW, Arenas has played with back court mates that handle the ball a decent bit: such as...

Larry Hughes- he played PG a bit in EJ's offense where guards shared responsibilities and averaged a career high 4.7 apg

Antonio Daniels- was plugged in as Arenas's backcourt mate at times to give the Wizards a quicker look. This was certainly an effective combo when Daniels turned it on the postseason back in 2006.

[Error Afflalo]

All I gotta say is trading an all nba allstar for freaking vince carter..is equivalent to laying a bath tub and slitting your wrist. This is equivalent to drafting kwame brown number one overall with pau gasol going second. The only good thing will be seeing grunfeld get fired when arenas makes the allstar team and the magic win the championship with arenas and dwight howard as co mvp's. I thought leonsis had more sense this that. Mark my words arenas will lead the league in scoring..be on the allstar team for the next five years if he is shipped to the magic and the idiots here wishing to trade arenas will sulk and make excuses including grunfeld with no job after this season. That's the only joy that comes from this trade.

You're not trading all nba all-star Gilbert Arenas, you're trading the headcase who's played in 47 games in three years and has the worst contract in the league. Gil hasn't been the player you described in a few years. If you get a chance to move him, you do it.

[yungal07]

^^I'm not interested in changing Wall's role on this team because Gilbert is not suitable to play the 2. I don't want Wall guarding shooting guards, nor having to play off the ball because of Gilbert. I don't want an interchangeable guard-type of offense. I want Wall as our sole ballhandler/distributor, and I want him guarding the opposing team's point guard. If Gilbert cant handle that, he needs to go, because quite frankly this team should not bend over backwards to fit Gilbert into the team. He lost his right to have this team built and catered around him.

At this point, the team should do everything in it's power to make John Wall a successful player...and I honestly feel that having Gilbert as his backcourt partner will not achieve that goal. If that means trading him, then so be it.

[WizStorm]

Considering that John Wall has a ridiculous wingspan at 6 foot 9" (bigger than someone like Evan Turner's 6 foot 7) and he can play really good defense, he can probably guard shooting guards better than Vince Carter. BTW, Arenas has played with back court mates that handle the ball a decent bit: such as...

Larry Hughes- he played PG a bit in EJ's offense where guards shared responsibilities and averaged a career high 4.7 apg

Antonio Daniels- was plugged in as Arenas's backcourt mate at times to give the Wizards a quicker look. This was certainly an effective combo when Daniels turned it on the postseason back in 2006.

Good points. Why is it that ever since Gil joined the Wizards, we've been searching for the perfect big PG to play alongside him. Gil has thrived with ball-handling back-court mates in Hughes and Daniels, and Wall has the athleticism and measurables that beats them in spades. Yet now for some reason, a Wall/Arenas back-court is now considered a "square peg/round hole" and just totally out of the realm of possibility of working.

What is the reason behind this change of mindset now about Gil's game? Is it just because the Wizards were forced to put the ball in Gil's hands in the recent past, pairing him with woeful ball-handlers (like Randy Foye) and with guys with little defensive skills and didn't have the flexibility to guard the tougher opposing guard (like Randy Foye)? Just because Gil was forced to play with the ball in his hands in recent years, doesn't mean that being the lone ball-dominant guard is where he is most effective. I actually think it speaks volumes for the talent that is Gilbert Arenas that he was able to produce so effectively after such a long layoff and given the complete change in roles away from what made him a marquee player in league prior to his injury.

As far as the Vince Carter/Gilbert Arenas swap rumor goes, wouldn't that be just like a typical Ernie Grunfeld move --- buy high and overpay when the iron is hot and sell off for pennies on the dollar when player values are at it's lowest. I can only imagine where EG would be now if he worked on wall street, my guess is that he would've already taken an asphalt dive from a high-rise. Yet as a NBA GM, he gets praised and encouraged to keep doing the same things over and over again. I just thank god that this rumor doesn't seem to have any legs.

[Zonkerbl]

I'm pretty sure the Carter/Arenas swap died because Orlando didn't want to commit to Arenas. Once Arenas starts playing well Orlando will come begging, you just wait.

I'm curious to see if Arenas gets so happy to play with Wall that he forgives Ernie and decides to stay and play hard. I'm sure Ted and EG would be much happier to have Arenas back and happy than traded to Orlando for cap space.

[Ruzious]

Mike Lee's shooting this one down...

MrMichaelLee Was told Wiz & ORL talked about Arenas-Carter swap, but conversation didn't get far. One prominent player agent said, "Not going to happen."

MrMichaelLee Wiz & ORL talked about trading Gilbert Arenas for Vince Carter but there's "nothing to it now." http://bit.ly/cgzxSh

WP Insider:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizard ... l#comments

The Washington Wizards spoke with the Orlando Magic recently about a potential swap of Gilbert Arenas for Vince Carter, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation. The source added that the talks didn't get very far and that it was merely a "business as usual" exploratory conversation between teams around the NBA draft. "Nothing to it now," the source said.

Another league source vehemently shot down speculation that Magic General Manager Otis Smith is pursuing Arenas, considering their close relationship. One prominent player agent sounded less than optimistic about the possible deal. "Not going to happen," he said.

This.

He's ours guys - whether you like him or not.

[JWizmentality]

Thank God. Even if we suck next year I'm still excited to see the team play. All that would be out the window if we picked up Vince. Yuck, even for cap space I still have my dignity.

[pancakes3]

+1 JWiz

[LyricalRico]

I posted this in the trade thread a few days ago. I've got a spreadsheet that's formatted to calculate BYC and it says this works.

Wizards trade: Arenas, # 30/35, and TPE
Wizards receive: Gortat, Dunleavy, Ford, and #10

Magic trade: Gortat, Carter, Nelson, and Bass
Magic receive: Arenas and Murphy

Pacers trade: Murphy, Dunleavy, Ford, and #10
Pacers receive: Carter, Nelson, Bass, and #30/35

Washington gets a young big, a lottery pick, and expirings for Arenas. Orlando is able to add Arenas without adding much salary, plus Murphy allows them to go with a more traditional lineup. I think the main question for this deal would be: Does Indy like Jameer Nelson that much? If they do, then it pretty much gives everybody what they want and restructures each team to make them more balanced IMO.

Gortat/McGee
Blatche/Singleton
Dunleavy/Thornton
Henry(#10)/Young
Wall/Ford

Howard/FA
Murphy/Anderson
Lewis/#29
Pietrus/Redick
Arenas/JWill

Foster/Hibbert
Bass/Hansbrough
Granger/Rush
Carter/Jones
Nelson/Price
(plus the 30/35 picks)

Thoughts?

[cdouglas]

I'm trying hard but I can't see Gil wanting to stay in DC and not being the #1 player on the team. All focus on Wall will be very hard for him to swalllow. I can see Vince coming here being the leader more than Arenas playing at lesser role to a rookie. I just can't see Gilbert wanting to stay.

[WizarDynasty]

You don't trade away the probably one of the most deadly backcourts ever assembled with arenas and wall. That backcourt is just unfair.
Broken down vince is laughable. Arenas is in his prime and arenas shooting and basketball iq at the shooting guard spot complement wall perfectly. It would be nice to have a grinder rebounder to wear down opposing bigs... But I can't even think of a sicker backcourt than arenas wall...
There is no one in our division that can match up. To have two allstars in their prime in the backcourt with blatche able to clear out space with his jumper is just sick.
Only problem is defense and john wall is a freaking shotblocking point guard... wall is a first team defensive player...better than even rondo.
We are set in the backcourt and powerforward. We need a grinder center that can defensive rebound..gallon or orton work...and we need a lot of standing reach and agility three pointing shooting at the three spot. That shouldn't be to hard to gather.
Arenas wall---is better than isiah and dumars.
Its better than rondo/allen. Fisher/kobe--ok maybe I am pushing it but its pretty close. We have to protect ourselves from.b Umbling grunfeld trade.

[AceDegenerate]

There should really be a rule that you need to have more time spent watching NBA Basketball than playing with the RealGM Trade Checker.

RealGM is less a discussion site than it is a game itself.