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GT - Portland Trail Blazers @ Washington (12-3-2010)

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Re: GT - Portland Trail Blazers @ Washington (12-3-2010) 

Post#21 » by GhostsOfGil » Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:59 pm

Black Eyed Sooz wrote:I'm hoping this is the start of a long consecutive games played streak for John Wall- we need him on the court, not just for his skills, but also his leadership. He said something in the Washington Post which I think is very important, that he can't lead effectively when he's injured, because it doesn't feel right calling people out for their mistakes if he's sitting on the bench in street clothes. Probably Josh Howard feels the same way, and I think he's going to make a big difference when he gets back in the lineup.

As it is now, everyone is probably deferring to Arenas and Hinrich since they are the most veteran players... both of those guys have said publicly that they're uncomfortable in a vocal leadership role, both have been a disaster defensively and need to be called out themselves, and honestly I don't think either guy wants to be in Washington. I don't have any evidence to support that, it just feels like it did last year with Jamison and Butler before they got shipped out.

Hopefully Blatche starts to get his legs back and turn things around also. He clearly doesn't have the dexterity that he had last year. Whatever his faults he has a tremendous amount of talent, and he really DOES want to be here in Washington, so I'm not ready to give up on him yet.

welcome to the board man and ya unfortuatly this is kinda the message im getting from them too
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Post#22 » by tontoz » Fri Dec 3, 2010 5:04 pm

Black Eyed Sooz wrote:I'm hoping this is the start of a long consecutive games played streak for John Wall- we need him on the court, not just for his skills, but also his leadership. He said something in the Washington Post which I think is very important, that he can't lead effectively when he's injured, because it doesn't feel right calling people out for their mistakes if he's sitting on the bench in street clothes. Probably Josh Howard feels the same way, and I think he's going to make a big difference when he gets back in the lineup.



Interesting comment from Wall. The fact that he is willing to call guys out, and sees the need for it, is encouraging. The Wizards need that type of mentality to change the losing culture.

Like many i am not impressed with Blatche. He shoots way too many jumpers (and shoots them very poorly) and doesn't defend/rebound. he definitely needs to get called out.
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Post#23 » by DallasShalDune » Fri Dec 3, 2010 5:21 pm

tontoz wrote:Like many i am not impressed with Blatche. He shoots way too many jumpers (and shoots them very poorly) and doesn't defend/rebound. he definitely needs to get called out.

That's funny, because last year I thought Blatche shot very well from 18-20 range. He was shooting off picks a lot last year, and every time he'd shoot I'd wince, but he'd hit the shot. I wonder what happened. Is it because he's out of shape?
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Post#24 » by tontoz » Fri Dec 3, 2010 5:39 pm

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tontoz wrote:Like many i am not impressed with Blatche. He shoots way too many jumpers (and shoots them very poorly) and doesn't defend/rebound. he definitely needs to get called out.

That's funny, because last year I thought Blatche shot very well from 18-20 range. He was shooting off picks a lot last year, and every time he'd shoot I'd wince, but he'd hit the shot. I wonder what happened. Is it because he's out of shape?



I think a big part of it is just shot selection. When he takes a quick fadeaway right after the Wizards get an offensive rebound......ugh.

Bottom line is when you are putting up that many bricks you should probably cut down on the attempts.
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Post#25 » by hands11 » Fri Dec 3, 2010 6:54 pm

tontoz wrote:
Black Eyed Sooz wrote:I'm hoping this is the start of a long consecutive games played streak for John Wall- we need him on the court, not just for his skills, but also his leadership. He said something in the Washington Post which I think is very important, that he can't lead effectively when he's injured, because it doesn't feel right calling people out for their mistakes if he's sitting on the bench in street clothes. Probably Josh Howard feels the same way, and I think he's going to make a big difference when he gets back in the lineup.



Interesting comment from Wall. The fact that he is willing to call guys out, and sees the need for it, is encouraging. The Wizards need that type of mentality to change the losing culture.

Like many i am not impressed with Blatche. He shoots way too many jumpers (and shoots them very poorly) and doesn't defend/rebound. he definitely needs to get called out.



People have been all over Dray this year. I'll cut the kid some slack. He hasn't posted bad numbers really considering he was injured and out of shape. And considering the talk about leaders, it must have been tough for him going from have AJ, CB and Gil where he didnt start and sometimes didnt play... to being the breakout dude who was the main focus... to being injured and hardly mentioned...

All in less than a year.

He averaged around .475 shooting the last year years and .465 for his career. So .419 is well below his average. You could logically expect that to change for the better vs trying to explain away why he is below his average.
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Post#26 » by hands11 » Fri Dec 3, 2010 7:06 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/nam ... on-wizards

The team stats are starting to shake out with a larger sample.

Looking at the player at the top, things look pretty good. What stands out are Gil and Drays shooting percentages are down. I would expect that to change over the next 20 games. Then add J Howard to the list and that looks pretty good.

This team was bound to have a tough start being so young and with so many new players.

But that last TOR was hard to take. It has me disappointed. Until that loss, I was very positive on what they may be able to get done this year.

It is just one loss that I didnt expect but it was a nasty one to a team they should have played better against. Should be interesting to see how the snap back.
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Post#27 » by AceDegenerate » Fri Dec 3, 2010 7:25 pm

And who would've thought Gilbert would have played more games than John Wall at this point?
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Post#28 » by DallasShalDune » Fri Dec 3, 2010 10:36 pm

I'm anxious for tonight's game--I want to see how we attempt to bounce back from that embarrassment in Toronto.
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Post#29 » by hands11 » Fri Dec 3, 2010 10:38 pm

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Post#30 » by hands11 » Fri Dec 3, 2010 10:48 pm

DallasShalDune wrote:I'm anxious for tonight's game--I want to see how we attempt to bounce back from that embarrassment in Toronto.


I hear ya.

Really hard to gauge them so far this year with player breaking out and then players hurt.

At least we should have Wall and AT for their second game in a row.
Plus Armstrong will be back. And McGee should be feeling better after his touch fall a free games ago. McGee was on a roll before that happened. That should be the first time we have had everyone short of Yi healthy in a little while.

We have had players spike here and there but not everyone at one. If we could get the best of what we have seen from Wall, Gil, Nick, and McGee we should look good. Add some solid play from Dray and Gee and they should look even better. That would be 6 of an 8 man rotation. Kirk is a decent piece to add though we could upgrade there moving forward. We are rebuilding so it is what it is. But I don't expect us to look as bad as we did against TOR.

Wall/Kirk
Gil/Nick
AT/Gee/Martin
Dray/Booker
McGee/Armstrong/Seraphin

Not sure if that is the way they will line up but that should be the active roster.
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Post#31 » by GhostsOfGil » Fri Dec 3, 2010 11:22 pm

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People have been all over Dray this year. I'll cut the kid some slack. He hasn't posted bad numbers really considering he was injured and out of shape. And considering the talk about leaders, it must have been tough for him going from have AJ, CB and Gil where he didnt start and sometimes didnt play... to being the breakout dude who was the main focus... to being injured and hardly mentioned...

All in less than a year.

He averaged around .475 shooting the last year years and .465 for his career. So .419 is well below his average. You could logically expect that to change for the better vs trying to explain away why he is below his average.


i have no problem with blatche offensively. i agree with a lot of wat u said but defensively there is no excuses.

not only does he look lazy but he just doesnt seem to give a damn about putting in any kinda work that doesnt have a stat to show for it.
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Post#32 » by dlts20 » Fri Dec 3, 2010 11:34 pm

Yi should play so I think he gets Booker's minutes
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Post#33 » by dlts20 » Fri Dec 3, 2010 11:51 pm

no NY tonight
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Post#34 » by dlts20 » Fri Dec 3, 2010 11:57 pm

Hinrich is starting tonight with Gil on the bench.


Wow, I knew it. Flip is an idiot. I bet Gil is even dumb enough to suggest it because he's never right in the head either. Still, the coach should overide it. Now we have our Max money guy sitting on the bench where his value also gets killed and no way it helps us get wins. I heard Flip say that Kirk has to play because he's our best perimiter defender. Has he been watching him? This is such a joke. Even if we win & Gil plays well, its still a joke. There is no way you put him on the bench for Kirk Hinrich. No other coach in the league would do that. We still havent one time yet seen Gil start with Wall without Kirk. The #1 thing everyone in the league wanted to see all Offseason and we refuse to show it. Joke
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Post#35 » by DallasShalDune » Sat Dec 4, 2010 12:01 am

No me gusta on the fact Gil's coming off of the bench. Not the best decision, imho.
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Post#36 » by JWizmentality » Sat Dec 4, 2010 12:02 am

dlts20 wrote:Hinrich is starting tonight with Gil on the bench.


Wow, I knew it. Flip is an idiot. I bet Gil is even dumb enough to suggest it because he's never right in the head either. Still, the coach should overide it. Now we have our Max money guy sitting on the bench where his value also gets killed and no way it helps us get wins. I heard Flip say that Kirk has to play because he's our best perimiter defender. Has he been watching him? This is such a joke. Even if we win & Gil plays well, its still a joke. There is no way you put him on the bench for Kirk Hinrich. No other coach in the league would do that. We still havent one time yet seen Gil start with Wall without Kirk. The #1 thing everyone in the league wanted to see all Offseason and we refuse to show it. Joke


Gilbert is not long for this team...then again neither is Flip.
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Post#37 » by GilArenas88 » Sat Dec 4, 2010 12:03 am

I'm not going even express my displeasure with Flip if that's true, whatever, hope we bounce back after that embarrassment of a game in Toronto. Go WIZ!
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Post#38 » by dlts20 » Sat Dec 4, 2010 12:11 am

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dlts20 wrote:Hinrich is starting tonight with Gil on the bench.


Wow, I knew it. Flip is an idiot. I bet Gil is even dumb enough to suggest it because he's never right in the head either. Still, the coach should overide it. Now we have our Max money guy sitting on the bench where his value also gets killed and no way it helps us get wins. I heard Flip say that Kirk has to play because he's our best perimiter defender. Has he been watching him? This is such a joke. Even if we win & Gil plays well, its still a joke. There is no way you put him on the bench for Kirk Hinrich. No other coach in the league would do that. We still havent one time yet seen Gil start with Wall without Kirk. The #1 thing everyone in the league wanted to see all Offseason and we refuse to show it. Joke


Gilbert is not long for this team...then again neither is Flip.

I dont think you said that like you wanted to say but Im guessing your sayign that Gil is not the long term guy for this team. The problem with that statement is that he's definitely going to be the long term guy for us if you bench him because no other team will trade for him then. We're killing his value. He's going to be on the bench, maybe not playing as well, and we will be stuck with him. Just losing out on all accounts. I dont get it
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Post#39 » by Wizards2Lottery » Sat Dec 4, 2010 12:18 am

I have nothing against Kirk but he should not be starting next to Wall.
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Post#40 » by AceDegenerate » Sat Dec 4, 2010 12:19 am

This team has piss poor management from the top down, nothing has changed at all.

Say hello to your future SG Kirk Hinrich. The guy was brought in to be the SG for now and the future, it's a joke.

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