McGee #17 wrong Pick look at D.Jordan#35?

[tontoz]

first off, you don't have a physical center to clear out the lane for Blatche to operate in the post.

If Blatche actually had a physical tough center, that center would easily be able to screen out there man and allow blatche to operate inside without getting double teamed.

Since when has Blatche been getting doubled? He doesn't get doubled at all. he is left wide open on the perimeter which is where he prefers to be. Teams are perfectly content to let him jack up long jumpers all night and Blatche is happy to oblige. He jacked up 11 jumpers last game.

On the rare occassions he gets the ball down low he doesn't get doubled. He can't score on one guy so other teams have no reason to double him.

Blatche sucks whether McGee is in the game or not. You can't pin Blatches problems on McGee.

[WizarDynasty]

ok. We don't have a physical starting center on the roster. When java is out, who can we bring off the bench that is strong enough to physical box out a center outside of rookie seraphin. Armstrong is rail thing and barely hold his position---Yi--u gotta be kidding me---Rashard lewis?---Booker--he is only 230 lbs--average center is 270 lbs.
I use to hate haywood but i had no idea that Java would not put on center weight after 3 years.
so his jumper isn't falling, and each time he gets the ball on the block..its basically playing 4 on 5 because we don't have a strong enough bigman to seal their man off with their bodies so that blatche has room in the post.
All i am saying is that McGee sucks as a starting center and should always come off the bench. D.jordan after 3 years is light years better at playing center than soft java. if we could trade for kaman we should.

[tontoz]

ok. We don't have a physical starting center on the roster. When java is out, who can we bring off the bench that is strong enough to physical box out a center outside of rookie seraphin. Armstrong is rail thing and barely hold his position---Yi--u gotta be kidding me---Rashard lewis?---Booker--he is only 230 lbs--average center is 270 lbs.
I use to hate haywood but i had no idea that Java would not put on center weight after 3 years.
so his jumper isn't falling, and each time he gets the ball on the block..its basically playing 4 on 5 because we don't have a strong enough bigman to seal their man off with their bodies so that blatche has room in the post.
All i am saying is that McGee sucks as a starting center and should always come off the bench. D.jordan after 3 years is light years better at playing center than soft java. if we could trade for kaman we should.

McGee is easliy a better starter than either Jordan or Blatche. It is funny that you criticize McGee for being soft when Blatche is soft as Charmin. Blatche has sucked at everything lately and is killing the teams offense.

McGee isn't the reason Blatche is shooting 42% from the field on the season. Blatche isn't getting better either, he is getting worse. That doesn't stop him from taking more shots than anyone on the team though.

[hands11]

Got love WizD for keeping things interesting and paragraphically spaced.

Yes, McGee not being a physical space eating presence is a huge problem for this. But then again, I have done my long winded posts about this both recently and before the season started. I predicted he would loose the starting job eventually.

It's time for this team to play physical in the post and for McGee to come off the bench. He won't be ready until he gets another off season of weight training. He did well adding muscle last off season so there is promise he will do more of the same. The kid needs another 15 lbs of muscle. He has shown improvement this year, but the kind we need from him lives is a body and attitude of Seraphins. Seraphin would just look at McGee the wrong way and break him in two. That is what this team lacks. Even Armstrong provides more of what we are missing at center. While this isn't football, Basketball is still a mans game, specially in the trenches.

Nothing wrong with McGee coming off the bench. Bench players can have a huge impact. Look what Nick was doing for us off the bench. McGee never really earned the starting spot as much as it was left vacant for him to take first crack at it.

Playing either Seraphin or McGee are both investing in the future. McGee has gotten 30 starts. Time to see what 6-9 275 can do to clear some space.

McGee showed a little break out earlier and I was excited to see it, but with the stupid fight, we post presence, and still low BB IQ, I'm ready to watch Seraphin with the starters. We can still get McGee good minutes, but he doesn't have to start.

Heck, Seraphin was drafted a pick before McGee. Not like they cant justify it that way. The kid even has some post moves. And lord knows he has the body. So what he isn't as tall. He can hold his space, box out and move people out of the paint. He sets picks. And has a nasty steak. And he is athletic.

[nate33]

WizD, I don't know what you expect us to say.

We agree that there are holes in McGee's game. We agree that he isn't currently strong enough to be a legit NBA center. Where we differ is in our expectations of a 22-year-old 7-footer. Center is the most complicated position on defense. It's even harder to have to adjust to the NBA rules and the speed of the guards who penetrate. Very few centers are successful defensively in their first couple of years. McGee isn't an exception.

If we had DeAndre Jordan on the team, you'd be making the same complaints.

[hands11]

WizD, I don't know what you expect us to say.

We agree that there are holes in McGee's game. We agree that he isn't currently strong enough to be a legit NBA center. Where we differ is in our expectations of a 22-year-old 7-footer. Center is the most complicated position on defense. It's even harder to have to adjust to the NBA rules and the speed of the guards who penetrate. Very few centers are successful defensively in their first couple of years. McGee isn't an exception.

If we had DeAndre Jordan on the team, you'd be making the same complaints.

Just went back to watch the game again. Why, because Seraphin actually got some minutes and I wanted to see what he did.

The kid moves actively and fluidly while on the floor. Set picks. Seems to know where he was supposed to be and get there. He can out. McGee in. Next playing T Young dunks it because McGee is out of position. I watch McGee for a while. He was running out and jumping on the wing player and getting out of position, walking up court on some plays. But have, he leaked out one play and get the feed for a fast break dunk. Phil and Buck even commented, what is your big man doing down there.

Seraphin looked to be farther along regarding where he was supposed to be and he boxed out. Kid seems to have a good motor and good basket ball IQ.

McGee still doesnt know where he is supposed to be.

[tontoz]

FYI it was Blatche that Young kept beating to the rim. Young backdoored a flatfooted Blatche on one play and drove right past him a couple of other times. Maybe McGee didn't come to help on one of those plays but McGee was never guarding Young.

[hands11]

FYI it was Blatche that Young kept beating to the rim. Young backdoored a flatfooted Blatche on one play and drove right past him a couple of other times. Maybe McGee didn't come to help on one of those plays but McGee was never guarding Young.

I know the play you are talking about when Dray was stuck in the mud.

But McGee was the center and he was no where to be found. Hey, it's not like McGee being lost on D is some new revelation. Like I said, he has made some progress in his game, but he started with so little idea of what to do that it was a very long road.

Seraphin was switching off, depending the pick and roll and switching back much better than McGee. Seraphin is actually very nimble on his feet and he pack a hell of a lot more power.

But I'm sure McGee will be spending extra time in the gym working on his dunks.

I like McGee's upside potential. I actually slotted him or Hubs as our pick that year. But he is still another year away from being starter material as a center. He is more like a bench Birdman right now.

There is little doubt in my mind that Dray would benefit from having a stronger center play on the floor with him. Actually, anyone we play at PF would. Even your PGs benefits because a strong center can clear a lane for them to finish.

[dangermouse]

Seraphin is actually very nibble on his feet

GROSS!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I have been following DJ's stats regularly, we made the better pick.

At draft time I know I wanted anybody but McGee. Jordan was a player I knew about from a video clip of him doing monstrous stuff. I thought he'd be great.

However, Ernie was right about McGee's talent. I love McGee. Flip doesn't play him enough but that seems to really motivate McGee to improve. Javale got so much better at rebounding I am amazed. Grunfeld picked a stud. National team alternate that Coach K likes. Will be in the dunk contest. Javale has great potential.

DeAndre Jordan is an enigmatic player. Last night was his second twenty-rebound game. He's blocking shots now like crazy. Where has been all along and why doesn't he always bring it?

Comparing the two, I think Jordan's the more robust, natural C. He's real good, too. I like both, but I think McGee can become a monster of a scorer in time. I wish the Wizards had a big man who would coach him to learn things Kareem, Gasol, and McHale did/do on offense.

WD, I think you're frustrated with McGee's footwork on defense. I don't know if man defense is ever going to be McGee's strength.

[WashWiz54]

I loved Jordan coming out and was utterly shocked he dropped so far. Saying that, McGee is the better player today, but both have unlimited potential. Jordan did something very similar last season (having a ~10 game streak of beast mode) but eventually fell back. Is this his breakout? Maybe but McGee will do the same thing eventually. I'm really not worried and am happy if we have McGee and I'd be happy if we had Jordan.

Now WD does make a point with JaVale needing to up his physicality. I'd love to see him get tougher but as posters have pointed, he's still growing. Once he's in his body, the weight comes naturally and with the weight room. Even the inept Wizards should know once he's in his "man body" it's time to hit the gym. Because in today's NBA where the average PF is finesse, there's no room to have a soft center.

[Dat2U]

I like Jordan and think he's a nice b-level prospect. I enjoyed watching him in summer league the past two seasons. Glad to see him have a breakout performance. Jordan is much more of a low post positional defender than McGee but he's a worthless offensive player. A TO waiting to happen unless he's cleaning up a miss or getting fed an easy throw down. I like Jordan's physicality and aggression he plays with at times, but McGee is the more proven player with more ability. Lets see if Jordan can keep these string of performances up for an extended period of time before we can say he's clearly the better player b/c right now that's not the case.

[doclinkin]

By the time he hits his late 20's are you serious. how many soft centers do you know in nba history that magically turned tough after 3 years?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

On magically turning tough, didn't someone punch a guy at a club the other night? Not that that sort of thing translates to the basketball court unless we're talking about fights; but JM has some scrapper in him, WD.

The thing the Wizards disciplined him for actually encouraged me.

[doclinkin]

Alright, I know you have a reputation for being a little crazy WD, but I
really think you may be on to something here. But I think this
examination has to plumb even deeper into the issue.

You focus on physical concerns, and they are no doubt present.
On the other hand what about metaphysical concerns? Was Javale born
under an ill-fated astrological configuration? I have no idea.

And it is therefore fortunate that our very own Doclinkin makes this **** up on the regular.

The Doc cannot join us today so I'll pretend to channel his spirit:
Right, this is Doclinkin speaking and I would first like to take a moment
of your time and thank you all for reading this terrible post. Now,
let's get down to business. Is JaVale McGee a spiritual pariah or
leper or something?

I can say conclusively: No, he is not." Thank's for that Doc.

Returning to the central issue: why does this thread exist?
Allow me to provide my own spin on Javale, and on his
lackluster not being Andray Blatcheness, if you will. If one
looks Javale up on google image search reveals pictures of the
young center in wolverine claws and a dorky shirt.

Consider the implications of these pictures: namely that Javale is
a huge nerd. And what group of people is bad at sports? That's right,
nerds. JaVale needs to lift weights for the chicks, not
to get physically stronger.

To wrap things up then, you are wrong and why did you
even post the chart if it doesn't make any sense and you were posting the
link anyway? Andray Blatche drools, and I need one more line starting with L so:
l.

Rally and trolly? 3 to last Paragraph is missing this sentence (2nd line):

"Existential questions of this sort are rarely examined in sufficient depth".

As for teh horrorscopes: I wouldn't want DJordan on this team. He's a Cancer.

[WizarDynasty]

By the time he hits his late 20's are you serious. how many soft centers do you know in nba history that magically turned tough after 3 years?

Wow if only McGee hadn't some of Haywood strength and toughness and still was able to retain his good hands--- both are slow as thick table syrup moving sideways...yeah haywood did get tougher as he got older but Haywood has always been a crap talker and he battled with Etan all the time.

Brenda was soft true...but no where near as soft as java. Haywood would always get in some body face if they talked crap..like in the chicago serious with Antonio Davis.
Javale has no heart or toughness on the basketball court at all.

All great bigman have some level of toughness to them and won't back down when someone pushes them. Javale has never shown this to me in 3 entire seasons.

[Ed Wood]

I hate you so much Doc. Sooo much.


You'd think I'd notice a thing like that.

[doclinkin]

[hands11]

But McGee has always been a rail thin kid. He also has a big momma who has out shinned him.

But McGee has some determination. He also has some new muscles for the first time in his life.
He also is still just a baby at 22.

Haywood didn't toughen up at 22. It was more like 26

I still don't think McGee is a starting quality center right now. I would rather see Seraphin.

At 7-1 252 he is to thin. But once he gets to about 270, which he body an easily handle, and gets another year or more of experience, he will be starter quality.

The kid is still a freak athlete. How many 7-1 centers in year 3 make the NBA dunk contest ?

[nate33]

But McGee has always been a rail thin kid. He also has a big momma who has out shinned him.

But McGee has some determination. He also has some new muscles for the first time in his life.
He also is still just a baby at 22.

Haywood didn't toughen up at 22. It was more like 26

I still don't think McGee is a starting quality center right now. I would rather see Seraphin.

At 7-1 252 he is to thin. But once he gets to about 270, which he body an easily handle, and gets another year or more of experience, he will be starter quality.

The kid is still a freak athlete. How many 7-1 centers in year 3 make the NBA dunk contest ?

Seraphin has some good instincts, but let's not go overboard in our praise. Fact is, Seraphin posts a PER of 8.1. He shoots 38% from the floor and averages 3 turnovers and 9 fouls per 36 minutes while posting the worst on/off differential on our active roster.

I'm in favor if getting Seraphin more minutes here and there, but there's no way he should be a starter.