Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V

[mhd]

I think Porter is the small forward version of Bradley Beal. Solid defender, very good 3p/fg/ft shooter, solid fundamentals, & good character guy.
Draft him or Noel, or trade back.

Agreed

And lol @ wanting us to trade down to get Derrick Williams. That kid is a bust.

Let Webster walk, he's an injury waiting to happen. Use whats rest of the cap for bench depth.

Beal had an NBA body at age 19. Porter is under 200 lbs and isn't as good an athlete as Beal is. I'd rather draft Oladipo vs. Porter if it came down to those 2. I'd take the elite athlete every time.

[Rafael122]

I just don't think Porter is that much better than Webster is. Porter will be making roughly the same as a resigned Webster would be. Dat, you said it yourself, finding cheap vet swingmen is available every off-season. If Porter is basically the next Tayshaun Prince (a 4th banana on a winning team), why waste the #3 pick on him? Porter doesn't have Paul George athleticism. I don't think he's as good an athlete as Batum is either.

Webster was almost out of the league last season until the Wizards took a chance on him. Now he's irreplaceable? Why? Because Wall and Beal like him? Porter is 19 years old! Dude doesn't even turn 20 until early June.

You're talking a Porter/Wall/Beal led team for the next 10 years.

WHo is also represented by a complete a-hole who publicly slammed Wall. Don't think EG doesn't remember that. I think Porter is a nice prospect, and I'd be fine taking him if the Wiz traded down and picked up an asset, but he's not a future all-star IMO. He doesn't have the athleticism.

Athleticism to do what? Is Bennett a future all star?

IMO, Porter needs to improve on 2 key things: a) he's passive on the offensive end, needs to take more control and b) he weighs 197 pounds. Ariza, for example is around 215....Porter's gonna need to add 10-15 pounds of muscle.

That's it, the kid has a really good all around game and would be a tremendous fit on this team. Can play Day 1.

[Ruzious]

I think Porter is the small forward version of Bradley Beal. Solid defender, very good 3p/fg/ft shooter, solid fundamentals, & good character guy.
Draft him or Noel, or trade back.

I agree. He's not exactly like Beal, but there are a lot of similarities - particularly their high BBIQ at both ends of the court.

[SCourGe OF GoD]

The two guys that scare me at #3 are Bennett & McLemore.

I've screamed from the top of the mountains regarding McLemore's concerns and I've still have yet to hear a clear cut example in this era where a G came into the league with such limited handle and became anything noteworthy.

I wonder about Bennett's basketball character. The way he plays (er, doesn't play) defense disturbs me. He was dogging it on that end of the court even before the shoulder issue popped up. And tweeners have the hardest transition of all. It's going to be an especially hard transition for a tweener forward from a mid level school who doesn't care about defense.

At this point, I'm looking at Noel, Porter or Oladipo. Those have been my top 3 for a while, long before tonight. I'd be very happy with any of them at this stage.

What if you took Burke and had a 3gaurd set like GS at atimes (Klay, Steph, Jack)

[Dat2U]

Regarding the Porter debate, why is Webster even factoring into who we draft? Webster is a UFA coming off a a career year after signing for the vet minimum. We are talking about adding a 3rd piece to build around. Webster should be an afterthought right now.

I just don't think Porter is that much better than Webster is. Porter will be making roughly the same as a resigned Webster would be. Dat, you said it yourself, finding cheap vet swingmen is available every off-season. If Porter is basically the next Tayshaun Prince (a 4th banana on a winning team), why waste the #3 pick on him? Porter doesn't have Paul George athleticism. I don't think he's as good an athlete as Batum is either.

When your a 6-9 perimeter player with near PF length, you don't need elite athleticism. People keep acting like Porter is a marginal athlete, I think that's doing him a disservice. Also a prime TayShaun Prince is probably a choice for a winning team than Batum. Prince would have been a good 3rd option on many teams. George is a bit overrated, but it's because he stands out at such a weak position. The same could apply to Porter. He may stand out because the competition at 3 is really weak with LeBron & Melo moving to the 4, guys like Pierce, GWallace, Marion all aging and Granger injured.

[Dark Faze]

I seriously think EG would trade down with Minny for Derrick WIlliams in a Ves swap. Its an interesting trade proposal. Poster on the trade board even offered Minny's #26. The Wiz could probably get Len/Zeller with that 9th pick.

Would a #3+Ves+Knicks 2nd rounder for #9+Derrick Williams+#26 deal be palatable for the fellow Wiz fans?

Derrick Williams is a proven bust, so his being apart of the deal is irrelevant. He does nothing well, absolutely nothing.

The number #26 is irrelevant, we can trade second rounders or Seraphin and find a way to move up if we want that.

You take Porter and run with it.

[TGW]

Completely agree with Dat regarding Webster...he should be an afterthought and have no effect on who we pick. That's what a bad GM would do.

Right now it's Porter, Noel, or trade down. I want Dipo but I think #3 is high. I would consider Derrick Williams + 9 for Ves + 3 if Len is there.

[NikolaPekovic]

Derrick williams + 9 for 3

[sfam]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/5/20/4348676/anthony-bennett-scouting-report-nba-draft-2013

I'm sorry to say but reading that, Bennett basically sounds like Andray Blatche without the attitude problems. The kid isn't even going to get off the bench if his defense is as bad as Prada says it is.

He never had to try on D. He was treated like a superstar at UNLV - nobody pushed him. His defense doesn't suck, his effort on D did.

[No-Man]

Webster is the perfect fit along Beal and Wall with his 3&D, also you have Singleton, Vesely and Ariza offering some of the same things Porter offers.

Porter isnt a cant miss prospect, he's okay but what we need from the SF is a 3&D guy and you've got that with Webster already.

They should trade the pick along Ariza and get a starting Center or PF, depending on where you see Nenê, get a guy that can be useful.

If not, trade down and pick Bennett, nobody is picking him, only threat is Charlotte and if Orlando pick Burke, they should, that disappear, trade down with NOLA or Sacto, they'll be desperate for Porter, and grab something useful from them.

If they stand still at 3, they're picking Bennett anyway

[Rafael122]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/5/20/4348676/anthony-bennett-scouting-report-nba-draft-2013

I'm sorry to say but reading that, Bennett basically sounds like Andray Blatche without the attitude problems. The kid isn't even going to get off the bench if his defense is as bad as Prada says it is.

He never had to try on D. He was treated like a superstar at UNLV - nobody pushed him. His defense doesn't suck, his effort on D did.

He's completely unaware on simple defensive fundamentals. You know who our coach is right? Bennett will be a routine visitor of the Randy Wittman doghouse. And his interview tonight on the lottery show rubbed me the wrong way. I've got a bad feeling about the kid.

[Dat2U]

The two guys that scare me at #3 are Bennett & McLemore.

I've screamed from the top of the mountains regarding McLemore's concerns and I've still have yet to hear a clear cut example in this era where a G came into the league with such limited handle and became anything noteworthy.

I wonder about Bennett's basketball character. The way he plays (er, doesn't play) defense disturbs me. He was dogging it on that end of the court even before the shoulder issue popped up. And tweeners have the hardest transition of all. It's going to be an especially hard transition for a tweener forward from a mid level school who doesn't care about defense.

At this point, I'm looking at Noel, Porter or Oladipo. Those have been my top 3 for a while, long before tonight. I'd be very happy with any of them at this stage.

What if you took Burke and had a 3gaurd set like GS at atimes (Klay, Steph, Jack)

I'm not in love with Burke, especially after the athletic testing. He's a so-so athlete at the one position where you need to be a good athlete. I think he'll score effectively and be a decent starting PG, but he'll get toasted defensively. If we were to go small, I'd go Oladipo. Plays much bigger than his size and rebounds like a F.

[Dark Faze]

Fischella do me a favor and look at Websters career games played.

Passing on a guy who locks you up at SF for 10 years for a guy who played well on the brink of looking at his career moving to Europe would be a stupid idea.

And Bennett isn't a three. There's no way we pick him with the third pick.

[pancakes3]

Failure is not an option at this point.

Should it ever be? (Rhetorical)

Regarding the Porter debate, why is Webster even factoring into who we draft? Webster is a UFA coming off a a career year after signing for the vet minimum. We are talking about adding a 3rd piece to build around. Webster should be an afterthought right now.

I just don't think Porter is that much better than Webster is. Porter will be making roughly the same as a resigned Webster would be. Dat, you said it yourself, finding cheap vet swingmen is available every off-season. If Porter is basically the next Tayshaun Prince (a 4th banana on a winning team), why waste the #3 pick on him? Porter doesn't have Paul George athleticism. I don't think he's as good an athlete as Batum is either.

I don't see why it's either/or. Webster is perfectly capable of backing up sg/sf and Porter is perfectly capable of backing up sf/pf (as can Ariza if Porter is given the opportunity to start). It adds flexibility, veteran moxy, and continuity to our roster in one fell swoop.

Webster had a career year, true but it's not like his year was breakout or anything. 11/4/2 on 44/42/85 shooting is mildly impressive but I doubt his phone is ringing off the hook. Matt Barnes has had a comparable career and he only got a 1 year deal worth 1.2 mil. The nightmare scenario is someone pays him Jared Dudley money (4 years 17 mil) and that's absurd, phoenix-is-desperate money.

[mhd]

From Michael Lee's twitter:

https://twitter.com/MrMichaelLee

"2 Western Conference executives walked up to me in ABC studios after the lottery & said, "Have fun with Otto Porter"

"One of the executives added that taking Porter is "a no-brainer." Another thought CLE was a wild card that could take him first. We'll see"

[Dark Faze]

wtf

Porter projects to be better than Webster at every aspect of basketball minus shooting.

And that's without even considering the fact that Webster has a terrible injury history.

[No-Man]

Dark Faze, even if you dont want Webster back there are plenty of options for a SF role player, 3&D guy every offseason, and that's what you need next to Wall and Beal, not Porter.

You just don't pick a guy like Porter top3, unless he's the perfect fit, like it was for Cleveland for example.

Washington needs a guy with a better shot than Porter and stronger.

I'll draft Muhammad ahead of Porter, if they stay at 3 they pick is going to be Bennett.

I dont want anything to do with Derrick Williams and whoever they pick at 9, like Len or Zeller.

Anyway I'd trade the pick plus Ariza for a Horford in a sec.

[Dat2U]

I want no parts of Derrick Williams if it involves the #3 pick. He shouldn't command that type of value, even if it's a pick swap.

I can see DWill for some combo of Booker or Seraphin & Vesely, but that's as far as I'll go.

[mhd]

I'm not saying taking Porter would be a horrible mistake, but the Wiz DO HAVE OPTIONS at #3, especially if Mclemore is on the board. The Bobcats would love to take him b/c he's a good fit next to MKG. The Suns would be thrilled to take him b/c he's a good fit next to Dragic (a dominant ball handler). The Wiz could trade down, pick up some assets, and still take Porter or Oladipo.

[sfam]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/5/20/4348676/anthony-bennett-scouting-report-nba-draft-2013

I'm sorry to say but reading that, Bennett basically sounds like Andray Blatche without the attitude problems. The kid isn't even going to get off the bench if his defense is as bad as Prada says it is.

He never had to try on D. He was treated like a superstar at UNLV - nobody pushed him. His defense doesn't suck, his effort on D did.

He's completely unaware on simple defensive fundamentals. You know who our coach is right? Bennett will be a routine visitor of the Randy Wittman doghouse. And his interview tonight on the lottery show rubbed me the wrong way. I've got a bad feeling about the kid.

What about the interview rubbed you wrong? I thought it was a fine interview. He seemed humble.