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rockymac52 wrote:It's okay though, you Bennett stans/Adams haters can keep ignoring facts when it's convenient for your point of view/argument.
WizarDynasty wrote:the biggest problem with Jamison was that he hated physical contact on defense and he extremely poor lateral agility. on offense when he was younger he was much more physical. We saw Jamison is decline years when he wanted to pro long his career by avoiding contact and trying to keep his scoring numbers up.
Jamison back in North Carolina was an alpha male. As he got older, he transformed into a coaster. Basically waiting for others to earn his paycheck. Stand in one spot and hit a jumper.
He always had a few crafty flips moves but jamison game used to be an alpha male move were he would overpower you physically and athletically whenever his team needed him too.
AFM wrote:WizD, McGee wasn't explosive? I don't think that was his problem. He's got explosiveness for days. Just doesn't know how to play basketball. Low Bball IQ.
montestewart wrote:WizarDynasty wrote:the biggest problem with Jamison was that he hated physical contact on defense and he extremely poor lateral agility. on offense when he was younger he was much more physical. We saw Jamison is decline years when he wanted to pro long his career by avoiding contact and trying to keep his scoring numbers up.
Jamison back in North Carolina was an alpha male. As he got older, he transformed into a coaster. Basically waiting for others to earn his paycheck. Stand in one spot and hit a jumper.
He always had a few crafty flips moves but jamison game used to be an alpha male move were he would overpower you physically and athletically whenever his team needed him too.
Bennett looks more solid than Jamison, or at least thicker. I don't know enough about his game to know whether he would stand his ground or similarly shy away from contact. I'm not looking for a defensive stopper, just someone that won't contribute to a return of the old no-D days.
at the Center in the second vid.
montestewart wrote:WizarDynasty wrote:the biggest problem with Jamison was that he hated physical contact on defense and he extremely poor lateral agility. on offense when he was younger he was much more physical. We saw Jamison is decline years when he wanted to pro long his career by avoiding contact and trying to keep his scoring numbers up.
Jamison back in North Carolina was an alpha male. As he got older, he transformed into a coaster. Basically waiting for others to earn his paycheck. Stand in one spot and hit a jumper.
He always had a few crafty flips moves but jamison game used to be an alpha male move were he would overpower you physically and athletically whenever his team needed him too.
Bennett looks more solid than Jamison, or at least thicker. I don't know enough about his game to know whether he would stand his ground or similarly shy away from contact. I'm not looking for a defensive stopper, just someone that won't contribute to a return of the old no-D days.
WizarDynasty wrote:AFM wrote:WizD, McGee wasn't explosive? I don't think that was his problem. He's got explosiveness for days. Just doesn't know how to play basketball. Low Bball IQ.
Nope mcgee wasn't explosive. he didn't have quick first step. and he wasn't a quick leaper. Once mcgee gathered himself, he could do some damage but the amount of time it took for him to regather himself always took him out of the play.
He slowly began to get more coordinated with the ball, but that was after years. Unless mcgee was catching an alley hoop, he generally fumbled the ball. He was starting to get a nice running sky hook toward the end of his days here but he never could power through contact and score consistently. zmall body contact through his shot of tremendously and he was a post player.
Look at nick young. could never scorer through contact. He had quick first step and some explosiveness but he wasn't highly coordinated with the ball. You rarely have enough body control with the ball to force a defender to foul him. And when nick young went into the lane, he rarely finished through contact. Not wizard material.
But most importantly, a center has to absolutely have elite lower body strength to be a wizard and length.
you never draft a center with length and expect for him to eventually develop lower body strength. Hopefully the wizards have learned from their mistakes with Vesely and McGee. they saw that Seraphin had lower body strength but he was elite at the basics before he came to wizards. If a guy isn't elite at the basics before he comes to your team, don't think you are going transform that.
Wizards thought they could. It is extremely hard to find a player who is elite at the basics and has the physical profile of a wizard. explosivness, body control, and consistent ability to finish through contact.
WizarDynasty wrote:AFM wrote:WizD, McGee wasn't explosive? I don't think that was his problem. He's got explosiveness for days. Just doesn't know how to play basketball. Low Bball IQ.
Nope mcgee wasn't explosive. he didn't have quick first step. and he wasn't a quick leaper. Once mcgee gathered himself, he could do some damage but the amount of time it took for him to regather himself always took him out of the play.
He slowly began to get more coordinated with the ball, but that was after years. Unless mcgee was catching an alley hoop, he generally fumbled the ball. He was starting to get a nice running sky hook toward the end of his days here but he never could power through contact and score consistently. zmall body contact through his shot of tremendously and he was a post player.
Look at nick young. could never scorer through contact. He had quick first step and some explosiveness but he wasn't highly coordinated with the ball. You rarely have enough body control with the ball to force a defender to foul him. And when nick young went into the lane, he rarely finished through contact. Not wizard material.
But most importantly, a center has to absolutely have elite lower body strength to be a wizard and length.
you never draft a center with length and expect for him to eventually develop lower body strength. Hopefully the wizards have learned from their mistakes with Vesely and McGee. they saw that Seraphin had lower body strength but he was elite at the basics before he came to wizards. If a guy isn't elite at the basics before he comes to your team, don't think you are going transform that.
Wizards thought they could. It is extremely hard to find a player who is elite at the basics and has the physical profile of a wizard. explosivness, body control, and consistent ability to finish through contact.
nate33 wrote:hands11 wrote:nate33 wrote:Continued from here
Nate,
If you have them handy, any chance you could post the links the previous draft threads when we start a new one so wherever we end, the others will be easier to access.
Yeah. I'll edit my original post.
montestewart wrote:I haven't seen anything but highlights for Bennett )or Adams, for that matter), but the things I've heard are not so much along the lines of lazy or bad attitude; the characterization of his defense seems closer to Arenas or Jamison, hard-working professionals (Arenas was usually pretty professional on the court, and certainly worked hard on his game) that simply did not focus much on defense.
People that have watched him more, feel free to weigh in. I haven't heard anything reliable that made me think he was a malcontent, cancer, lazy, etc. Maybe he is the best choice at #3. I still have a whole lot of questions.rockymac52 wrote:It's okay though, you Bennett stans/Adams haters can keep ignoring facts when it's convenient for your point of view/argument.
Fixed.
GhostsOfGil wrote:FreeBalling wrote:Thanks, if Noel was there @ 3 would you take him? I like Porter or Bennett for the 3rd pick. I'm ok with having three guys below the age of 24 starting because we are not wining a title next year. Just asking about Noel because he seems to be to thin as of today to compete against other centers. It might take 3-5 years to put on enough mass to get on the starting squad.
Just win baby!
I would definitely take Noel at 3. Also there are reports that he's already gained 6 lbs since the combine and his playing weight was 220.
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montestewart wrote:I haven't seen anything but highlights for Bennett )or Adams, for that matter), but the things I've heard are not so much along the lines of lazy or bad attitude; the characterization of his defense seems closer to Arenas or Jamison, hard-working professionals (Arenas was usually pretty professional on the court, and certainly worked hard on his game) that simply did not focus much on defense.
People that have watched him more, feel free to weigh in. I haven't heard anything reliable that made me think he was a malcontent, cancer, lazy, etc. Maybe he is the best choice at #3. I still have a whole lot of questions.rockymac52 wrote:It's okay though, you Bennett stans/Adams haters can keep ignoring facts when it's convenient for your point of view/argument.
Fixed.
sfam wrote:
Someone needs to inform DA what a sucky pick Bennet is. DA even quoted vet scouts as saying Bennett is one of the "safest picks in the draft". Jeeze, talk about amateur hour. The dude's rep as an expert is taking a big hit here...
Victor Oladipo may be the best wing defender in this draft, but he is not without weaknesses that NBA scouts/execs are noticing with the help of Vantage Stats.
Here is what NBA teams utilizing Vantage are seeing in the numbers from Oladipo, McLemore, Porter, Muhammad, and Carter-Williams:
nate33 wrote:Hey WizD, what was your opinion on Leonard last year?
AFM wrote: on Thu May 30, 2013 1:34 amWizarDynasty wrote: Len is a gymnast. His body only recent began banging against humans who were stronger than himself. His bone structure is set. IF Len was ten years old and still had alot of growing to do and we forced him to push the strongest kid in school out of the paint for an hour each day, his bone density and muscle structure would much much different than what we see now. It's way to late for len's bones to reset and for his muscle distribution to redesign. His joints are set for high impact from jumps but he is like a fish out of water when attempting to use lower body strength and move mass using his lower body. When he attempts to do this, his body gets injured because his joints during his growth spurt repaired themselves from high impact from jumps off a balance beam, not from applying 1000 pounds of pressure on one ankle joint moving his body mass and plus another 260lb body mass pushing back on that one joint.
Had Len's joint experienced these shock forces at a young age, his body would have molded into a killing machine for this particular task 10 years later as it fully matured.
It's only the unwise who see Len's height and completely ignore his inability to use lower body strength to move bodies, and his inability to lower his center of gravity in his knees.
the reason he can't is because if he does, he will get injured because his body was molded for that from his daily activities.
Now a guy like Bennett who has been playing basketball all of his life, and substantial time in the post, you see how thick his legs and how he moves players in the post for rebounds. He's been doing these activities since a very very young age and his body, after 10 to 15 years of training is honed for that specialized activity.
Had you taken Len and Bennett out of the balance beem, even at 7'1, Len would probably destroy him.
Len's raw athleticism from gymnastic allows him to make finesse moves becomes gymanistics is purely finesse. Unfortunately, finesse with no explosiveness and no power means he isn't wizard material. Maybe running with Nash in a fun and gun but not DC.
We are grind out elbow in the mouth blow by you and power through contact and still score team.
Len and Porter don't fit that mold. They are soft finesse players in jamison mold. We left that era a long long time ago. Seraphin is showing alot of soft european style which is why he needs to traded for a real wizard style player. Singleton and Booker don't have at least two of the three traits needed to be a wizard either.
Explosiveness, Elite body control with the basketball, and demonstrated ability to finish through contact consistently.
You need to have at least two of these three traits in order to be a Washington Wizard.
One of the greatest posts of all time. HOF Post.
Should be stickied.
doclinkin wrote:nate33 wrote:Hey WizD, what was your opinion on Leonard last year?
Laughing to tears. Are we really taking WizNasty seriously as a draft guru?
Kid has NEVER been right. He doesn't watch basketball only looks at the physical measurements then looks for highlights to match his opinion. If we had 'Nasty drafting for us we'd have the aforementioned Byron Mullins (as he called him) and Al-Farouk Aminu, and I forget whomever else. But nobody who actually can play this game. And each year he has a new pet measurable that he loves.
I love WizNasty. He brings a ton of content has strong opinions and is never boring, but HAH! HOO! heh eh eh. Whee. Sigh....
I mean you know, he's getting older and is learning and passionate and all so one day he may be a decent evaluator. But the Kiwi Adams is NOT bowlegged at all. Seriously lacking in the bowleggedness department.
AFM wrote:Never, I repeat, NEVER post anything negative about WizD. GPOAT (Greatest Poster Of All Time)