Doc Rivers might leave Boston any interest?

[sfam]

I'd rather have George Karl, much better coach for this team imo.

I expect them to stand pat with Wittman, which isnt so bad.

I'd take Doc Rivers 10 times out of 10 over Karl. Karl really is a drama center, and doesn't win in the playoffs. Rivers seems to get the most out of his team, especially at crunch time.

[FAH1223]

Go after Shaw if he isn't hired this year... get him in 2014 if the new GM sees him as a fit

[Deivy202]

LOL you guys rather have a **** coach instead of proven vets whos been in playoffs or just got out of one ?. Righttttt and this is our fan base .

[montestewart]

LOL you guys rather have a **** coach instead of proven vets whos been in playoffs or just got out of one ?. Righttttt and this is our fan base .

It's OK to say rookie.

[tontoz]

Boston fans hated Doc until KG came to town. They used to trash him all the time.

Randy is fine. The team plays hard, is committed to defense and seems to like him.

[nate33]

I'd rather have George Karl, much better coach for this team imo.

I expect them to stand pat with Wittman, which isnt so bad.

I'd take Doc Rivers 10 times out of 10 over Karl. Karl really is a drama center, and doesn't win in the playoffs. Rivers seems to get the most out of his team, especially at crunch time.

I agree. I think Karl has always been a good X's and O's guy who has been mediocre at motivation and managing egos. Doc was the opposite. He was a great motivator and ego manager but only so-so with the X's and O's. The thing is, coaches improve with X's and O's over time. They don't improve nearly as much with the emotional aspects of player management. Fundamentally, Doc has a greater "upside" as a coach because he's a natural at the stuff that's hard to learn and he's steadily getting better at the learnable stuff. I think we have seen that throughout his career. He went from merely being a good motivator in his Orlando days to being a good all around coach today.

Karl's ceiling as a coach is pretty much where he is now. He's not going to become a better ego manager and motivator. He just doesn't have the personality for it.

[miller31time]

I don't see Doc Rivers leading that Denver team to 57 wins in '12-'13.

And for the purposes of our team, we need to learn how to win in the regular season, first and foremost. Then we can worry about winning in the playoffs.

It's all a moot point, as other have said, seeing as how we're indebted to Randy Wittman - a guy I like and respect but feel has served his purpose and needs to move on.

[fishercob]

I'd rather have George Karl, much better coach for this team imo.

I expect them to stand pat with Wittman, which isnt so bad.

I'd take Doc Rivers 10 times out of 10 over Karl. Karl really is a drama center, and doesn't win in the playoffs. Rivers seems to get the most out of his team, especially at crunch time.

I agree. I think Karl has always been a good X's and O's guy who has been mediocre at motivation and managing egos. Doc was the opposite. He was a great motivator and ego manager but only so-so with the X's and O's. The thing is, coaches improve with X's and O's over time. They don't improve nearly as much with the emotional aspects of player management. Fundamentally, Doc has a greater "upside" as a coach because he's a natural at the stuff that's hard to learn and he's steadily getting better at the learnable stuff. I think we have seen that throughout his career. He went from merely being a good motivator in his Orlando days to being a good all around coach today.

Karl's ceiling as a coach is pretty much where he is now. He's not going to become a better ego manager and motivator. He just doesn't have the personality for it.

I also think having Doc as a coach would up our standing in the league and make top players more interested in coming here -- either via free agency or trades. Doc played for the Knicks when Ernie was an exec their (but before Ernie ran the show). I know nothing about their relationship. I'd be thrilled if we landed him -- and beyond shocked. Won't happen.

[Higga]

Doc's a good coach, but remember he's the same guy that won like 25 games the year before they got KG. I also don't want a coach who's wearing down, I'd rather get someone young and hungry and on the up and up(e.g. Vogel, Spoelstra, Thibodeau).

[Illuminaire]

I don't see Doc Rivers leading that Denver team to 57 wins in '12-'13.

I don't see him getting roughed up so badly in the playoffs with that team either, though.

[miller31time]

I don't see Doc Rivers leading that Denver team to 57 wins in '12-'13.

I don't see him getting roughed up so badly in the playoffs with that team either, though.

Oh, I agree. I believe I hinted at that point in my post....

And for the purposes of our team, we need to learn how to win in the regular season, first and foremost. Then we can worry about winning in the playoffs.

Meaning post-season performance shouldn't be a primary concern for this particular squad. We're not winning in the playoffs for the first year or two anyhow. Regular season performance (Karl's strength), however, is what we need. Crawl before walking and all that jazz.

[nate33]

I consider this to be merely a debate on whether Rivers or Karl is better. It has no bearing for the Wizards. They're not going to can Wittman this summer in favor of either of those guys.

[verbal8]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... l-Interest

Doc Rivers, Clippers Have Mutual Interest

Doc Rivers has interest in leaving the Boston Celtics to become the next head coach of the Los Angeles Clippers, according to sources.

I think this means a rebuild for the Celtics. I wonder if they deal Garnett to the Clippers. The Clippers already had interest, and with the Rivers as coach, it would probably intensify. I also could see Paul Pierce signing for the MLE once he gets bought out by Boston.

[montestewart]

The idea that a team would negotiate to give up assets in order to land a desired coach.
The idea that a team would have a coach that another team would give up assets to land.
Blowing my mind.

[verbal8]

The idea that a team would negotiate to give up assets in order to land a desired coach.
The idea that a team would have a coach that another team would give up assets to land.
Blowing my mind.

It is kind of a weird situation. Garnett has a no-trade clause, Rivers has a non-compete clause in his contract. I also think there would be an assumption Pierce would join them on the Clippers after being bought out.

The latest reports look like the deal is dead and the Clippers will hire Shaw or Hollins:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... om-Celtics

[Rafael122]

So basically this is turning into a situation where Doc wants to coach, just not with the Clippers. Rivers is slowly turning into Larry Brown, he seems to get bored rather easily.

[verbal8]

So basically this is turning into a situation where Doc wants to coach, just not with the Clippers. Rivers is slowly turning into Larry Brown, he seems to get bored rather easily.

I think most coaches would prefer not to have to coach a rebuilding team. And the job of the celtics coach next season isn't likely to be a fun one. At this point it is looking like pierce is gone, and likely Garnett. There are a number if vets no one else wants on their current deals.

[Kanyewest]

So basically this is turning into a situation where Doc wants to coach, just not with the Clippers. Rivers is slowly turning into Larry Brown, he seems to get bored rather easily.

I think most coaches would prefer not to have to coach a rebuilding team. And the job of the celtics coach next season isn't likely to be a fun one. At this point it is looking like pierce is gone, and likely Garnett. There are a number if vets no one else wants on their current deals.

Yup, this is more about Rivers wanting to coach a contender.

[Rafael122]

So basically this is turning into a situation where Doc wants to coach, just not with the Clippers. Rivers is slowly turning into Larry Brown, he seems to get bored rather easily.

I think most coaches would prefer not to have to coach a rebuilding team. And the job of the celtics coach next season isn't likely to be a fun one. At this point it is looking like pierce is gone, and likely Garnett. There are a number if vets no one else wants on their current deals.

Yup, this is more about Rivers wanting to coach a contender.

He signed a 5 year deal, did he really expect KG and Pierce to turn back the clock?

[Kanyewest]

I think most coaches would prefer not to have to coach a rebuilding team. And the job of the celtics coach next season isn't likely to be a fun one. At this point it is looking like pierce is gone, and likely Garnett. There are a number if vets no one else wants on their current deals.

Yup, this is more about Rivers wanting to coach a contender.

He signed a 5 year deal, did he really expect KG and Pierce to turn back the clock?

They took MIami to 7 games last year- so maybe he did think the Celtics had one more chance. Then even the remote possibility of that happening ended when Rondo went down with his injury. But yeah, not sure why he signed a five year deal with Celtics.

This doesn't look great for Doc though especially since there are talks that Eric Bledsoe were not to be included in the trade because Doc wants to coach him.

The Celtics shouldn't be all that upset if they lose Doc though. He's a good coach but paying $21 million over 3 years is a bit much for a non-contending team.